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Posted: 3/29/2019 2:30:15 PM EDT
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Semi-related, but figure I'll toss it in here. I ran out to Udvar-Hazy on Monday. Here's one of the X-35b demonstrators:
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Posted: 3/29/2019 2:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOh that is sweet. 
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Posted: 3/29/2019 2:40:21 PM EDT
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The existing systems in the F-22 and especially the F-35 have incorporated something more advanced that evolved from Built-In-test. Back in the 1980s, there was a lot of talk in the engine and avionics world of BIT, where the aircraft can test different systems while in flight to assess their performance levels more than just an analog gauge in the cockpit. With legacy test systems, you had huge black boxes as part of your ground-based pre and post-flight logistics footprint. You'll occasionally see AeroE and other aircrew maintenance techs mention these systems here in the threads discussing maintenance, where each aircraft or system had giant cart-mounted or carried test units that could be hauled up to the bird for them to plug into and then test various electronic, hydraulic, and mechanical systems through the maintenance access panels while the crew chief sat in the cockpit giving feedback or monitoring what was going on through the cockpit instruments and displays. https://cdn10.picryl.com/photo/2004/08/11/us-air-force-usaf-airmen-assigned-to-the-27th-aircraft-maintenance-unit-amxu-ca1ccf-1600.jpg Enterprising minds always looking to do things better and leverage our rapidly-expanding computational power technology saw that as boards and chips got smaller, we could embed the testing processes into the chips themselves when it comes to electronic components. Say the Fire Control Computer, NAV, Radios, Radar signals processors, etc. What if we could do as much of that as possible in-flight, and then manage the power so that we minimize problems later on, or alert the pilot early enough to prevent major or escalating problems? As chips got smaller, they were able to embed Built-In-Testing onto the chips themselves, rather than roll up a cart or carry some huge device from the analog era and hook it up to the plane. The test unit is effectively miniaturized to a microscopic set of components on the chip itself, and placed on the subcomponents, and is able to present data back to a central flight control computer, fire control computer, or mode page on a multi-function display in the cockpit. As we evolved into the 4th Generation, the cockpits really changed within the teen fighter series from analog to more digital displays with multiple functions that were accessed from peripheral buttons around each display. Notice the test mode on this example on the right for the main menu: http://falcon4.wikidot.com/local--files/avionics:mfd/mfd_menu.JPG https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/09/8a/4c/47/jetflight-simulator-melbourne.jpg As that was all happening, (with the F/A-18 getting it first If I recall correctly-AeroE could provide more detailed or accurate info on that I think), the MFD cockpit layout became prevalent on the F-16C/D and later the F-15E, but designers were already thinking about what the next generation would and could bring based on chip advancements being pioneered in the US. The F-14A, F-15A/B/C/D, and F-16A/B had relatively analog cockpits with dials and dedicated radar displays, no MFDs. In Aviation leak magazine, they talked about a future generation where Built-In-Test would evolve into Built-In-Test and in-flight repair/reconfigure. Some of this technology was tested on a program called the Advanced Fighter Technology Integration demonstrator, using an F-16 airframe as the testbed for many of these systems that ended up in the F-22. http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/SC/SC-1/84-1.jpg Several systemic areas of the aircraft were integrated with BIT technology as various programs moved forward, including fighting avionics, Navigation (NAV), DFLCS (Digital Flight Control System), Digital Electronic Engine Control (DEEC), as well as more comprehensive sensors on technical and hydraulic systems. As we moved from analog to digital controls, engines and flight control systems started to merge, because we had already baselined electronic flight control with the F-16 and Hornet. There was a developmental/test program where integrated flight and engine control systems were rigged into F-15s, F-16s, and F/A-18s to push the boundaries of what was possible with a more holistic approach to systems management, as opposed to looking at propulsion and flight control independently. In the engine department, they moved from analog to digital, then from just high-response digital throttle control to Full Authority Digital Electronic Engine Control, or FADEC. This is where BIT systems and sensors monitoring various aspects of engine performance could pre-empt traditional problems like core temp overheats, fuel flow excess or starvation, never-exceed RPMs, inlet conditions, and then digitally control inputs to the engine and fuel systems to prevent the engine from doing something that the pilot would only learn about when it was too late, and he experienced unstart, flame-out, compressor stalls, etc. This was actually implemented with the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 Improved Performance Engine in the F100 series, and is one of the most reliable fighter engines ever made as a result, in addition to all of our progress with materials and mechanical sciences. As some of the pilots in the threat have mentioned already, there has been a demonstrable improvement in engine reliability since the IPE program, and FADEC is a huge part of that. The F-22's integrated DFLCS/FADEC took these generational improvements to new levels with all of the systems run through a closed-loop network through its triple-redundant, super-computing, central-processing brain. They expanded these BIT capabilities even further into the avionics, and reduce the complexity of legacy black box systems since there is so much computing power in such a small package available. The F-35 avionics architecture was tailored along the way after seeing the lessons from the F-22 program, so that even more complexity could be reduced, and systems optimized even more since chip and computing technology had made its natural progress from 1990 to 1997, and from 1997 to 2006. For the future, the next leap is integrating self-healing capability down to a smaller scale with the materials science. There are emerging materials that allow this to be done, and will take another decade or so to master before being production-ready in my guesstimation. This is where the integrated circuitry is embedded at a microscopic or even nanoscopic level in materials, and can repair and optimize the actual physical properties like a living organism. That is the next breakthrough technology. The Japanese were working on integrated skin technology for a holistic, responsive and adaptive VLO surface that has the RF sensors embedded throughout the skin surface, then manipulates the RF energy distribution into the aircraft to take VLO/Stealth RF spectrum visibility to a new level of radiation absorption, further reducing the Radar Cross-Section. Think of a self-healing aircraft using similar technology and approaches for in-flight preventative maintenance. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlashyDelightfulDrake-max-1mb.gif This is where a lot of money is being poured into AI, so the system becomes more self-aware and active. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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systemic AI self-healing  Back in the 1980s, there was a lot of talk in the engine and avionics world of BIT, where the aircraft can test different systems while in flight to assess their performance levels more than just an analog gauge in the cockpit. With legacy test systems, you had huge black boxes as part of your ground-based pre and post-flight logistics footprint. You'll occasionally see AeroE and other aircrew maintenance techs mention these systems here in the threads discussing maintenance, where each aircraft or system had giant cart-mounted or carried test units that could be hauled up to the bird for them to plug into and then test various electronic, hydraulic, and mechanical systems through the maintenance access panels while the crew chief sat in the cockpit giving feedback or monitoring what was going on through the cockpit instruments and displays. https://cdn10.picryl.com/photo/2004/08/11/us-air-force-usaf-airmen-assigned-to-the-27th-aircraft-maintenance-unit-amxu-ca1ccf-1600.jpg Enterprising minds always looking to do things better and leverage our rapidly-expanding computational power technology saw that as boards and chips got smaller, we could embed the testing processes into the chips themselves when it comes to electronic components. Say the Fire Control Computer, NAV, Radios, Radar signals processors, etc. What if we could do as much of that as possible in-flight, and then manage the power so that we minimize problems later on, or alert the pilot early enough to prevent major or escalating problems? As chips got smaller, they were able to embed Built-In-Testing onto the chips themselves, rather than roll up a cart or carry some huge device from the analog era and hook it up to the plane. The test unit is effectively miniaturized to a microscopic set of components on the chip itself, and placed on the subcomponents, and is able to present data back to a central flight control computer, fire control computer, or mode page on a multi-function display in the cockpit. As we evolved into the 4th Generation, the cockpits really changed within the teen fighter series from analog to more digital displays with multiple functions that were accessed from peripheral buttons around each display. Notice the test mode on this example on the right for the main menu: http://falcon4.wikidot.com/local--files/avionics:mfd/mfd_menu.JPG https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/09/8a/4c/47/jetflight-simulator-melbourne.jpg As that was all happening, (with the F/A-18 getting it first If I recall correctly-AeroE could provide more detailed or accurate info on that I think), the MFD cockpit layout became prevalent on the F-16C/D and later the F-15E, but designers were already thinking about what the next generation would and could bring based on chip advancements being pioneered in the US. The F-14A, F-15A/B/C/D, and F-16A/B had relatively analog cockpits with dials and dedicated radar displays, no MFDs. In Aviation leak magazine, they talked about a future generation where Built-In-Test would evolve into Built-In-Test and in-flight repair/reconfigure. Some of this technology was tested on a program called the Advanced Fighter Technology Integration demonstrator, using an F-16 airframe as the testbed for many of these systems that ended up in the F-22. http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/SC/SC-1/84-1.jpg Several systemic areas of the aircraft were integrated with BIT technology as various programs moved forward, including fighting avionics, Navigation (NAV), DFLCS (Digital Flight Control System), Digital Electronic Engine Control (DEEC), as well as more comprehensive sensors on technical and hydraulic systems. As we moved from analog to digital controls, engines and flight control systems started to merge, because we had already baselined electronic flight control with the F-16 and Hornet. There was a developmental/test program where integrated flight and engine control systems were rigged into F-15s, F-16s, and F/A-18s to push the boundaries of what was possible with a more holistic approach to systems management, as opposed to looking at propulsion and flight control independently. In the engine department, they moved from analog to digital, then from just high-response digital throttle control to Full Authority Digital Electronic Engine Control, or FADEC. This is where BIT systems and sensors monitoring various aspects of engine performance could pre-empt traditional problems like core temp overheats, fuel flow excess or starvation, never-exceed RPMs, inlet conditions, and then digitally control inputs to the engine and fuel systems to prevent the engine from doing something that the pilot would only learn about when it was too late, and he experienced unstart, flame-out, compressor stalls, etc. This was actually implemented with the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 Improved Performance Engine in the F100 series, and is one of the most reliable fighter engines ever made as a result, in addition to all of our progress with materials and mechanical sciences. As some of the pilots in the threat have mentioned already, there has been a demonstrable improvement in engine reliability since the IPE program, and FADEC is a huge part of that. The F-22's integrated DFLCS/FADEC took these generational improvements to new levels with all of the systems run through a closed-loop network through its triple-redundant, super-computing, central-processing brain. They expanded these BIT capabilities even further into the avionics, and reduce the complexity of legacy black box systems since there is so much computing power in such a small package available. The F-35 avionics architecture was tailored along the way after seeing the lessons from the F-22 program, so that even more complexity could be reduced, and systems optimized even more since chip and computing technology had made its natural progress from 1990 to 1997, and from 1997 to 2006. For the future, the next leap is integrating self-healing capability down to a smaller scale with the materials science. There are emerging materials that allow this to be done, and will take another decade or so to master before being production-ready in my guesstimation. This is where the integrated circuitry is embedded at a microscopic or even nanoscopic level in materials, and can repair and optimize the actual physical properties like a living organism. That is the next breakthrough technology. The Japanese were working on integrated skin technology for a holistic, responsive and adaptive VLO surface that has the RF sensors embedded throughout the skin surface, then manipulates the RF energy distribution into the aircraft to take VLO/Stealth RF spectrum visibility to a new level of radiation absorption, further reducing the Radar Cross-Section. Think of a self-healing aircraft using similar technology and approaches for in-flight preventative maintenance. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlashyDelightfulDrake-max-1mb.gif This is where a lot of money is being poured into AI, so the system becomes more self-aware and active.  Attached FileIn most Sci Fi living spaceships are something usually only seen in the hands of the most advanced races in fiction. In fifty, perhaps sixty years when we finally figure out something like an impulse drive or a warp drive we might be flying around deep space in "living ships." |
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Posted: 3/30/2019 5:23:06 PM EDT
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https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/tL3ziGLaczj5CCOd9JaGxY-XRjs=/1024x596/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/63/c2/63c2602c-c404-49f0-968c-cc2fc5b54c47/08j_am2019_berke_replaces-e_live.jpg The first non-test pilot to fly the F-35, Berke commanded Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 502 at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina. He is the only Marine ever to have qualified to fly the F-22 Raptor and served as the F-22 division commander at the Air Force’s 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron. "Fighter aircraft all have to have a level of performance and maneuverability: speed, Gs, turn rate, turn radius, acceleration, climb—all of those things. In the F-35, there’s not a massive change in those performance metrics. The F-35 is better [than legacy aircraft], but not a lot better. But those ways to measure an airplane are not nearly as relevant now as they used to be. They’re not irrelevant, but they are not as important as all the other qualities that you should be measuring an airplane by. If you were to write down all the ways in which you could measure an airplane—payload, fuel, ordnance, handling—and ask 100 pilots to rank which is the most important, I guarantee you that 100 out of 100 pilots would say “situational awareness.” By far. Not a single pilot in the world would say “turn radius.” Not one. Because the more you know, the more accurately you know it, the better able you are to make a decision. In situational awareness, the F-35 is superior to all platforms, including the Raptor. I’d never been in an airplane that so effectively and seamlessly integrates information to tell me what’s going on around me—and not just from the radio frequency spectrum, but laser, infrared, electro-optical. That’s usually the first thing people notice when they get in the airplane. They know so much more than they ever knew before. After situational awareness, you want to be able to dictate access regardless of the capability of the threat. A highly robust air-defense network can deny access. The biggest problem that legacy aircraft have right now is that the threat gets to dictate when and where we fly. Air-defense networks can also be limiting for stealth aircraft. The first thing you have to think about in the F-35 is managing your signature. In an F-18, you don’t even think about it because everybody sees you the minute you take off, so you don’t spend a lot of time trying to hide. Managing all the components of low observability is very challenging, and pilots have to think about it all the time. And they don’t do it well the first time. We all struggle with that initially. But you de-brief and analyze and start to build a database of the methods being used to detect you. You start to build a strategy that will keep others from finding you. Where do you want to put other people in the formation so you can maximize information sharing and sensor coverage and sensor footprints? It’s really no different, from a philosophical viewpoint, from what we’ve always done. We spend a lot of time trying to figure out what our weaknesses are: What do I need to fix as a pilot? In an F-22 and F-35, one of the most enjoyable things is being virtually undetectable until it’s way, way, way too late for the threat. If you manage the signature really well, and you do it in a way that is integrated with the other platforms, most of the time the threat doesn’t know you’re there. And that’s why I have extreme faith that the machine is going to be the most dominant aircraft ever built." F-35: What the pilots say This has been a great thread, which I've thoroughly enjoyed reading. |
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Posted: 3/30/2019 5:25:30 PM EDT
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Semi-related, but figure I'll toss it in here. I ran out to Udvar-Hazy on Monday. Here's one of the X-35b demonstrators: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20190325_150146-890953.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20190325_150230-890954.jpg I always go and look at the Apollo computing section. |
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Posted: 3/30/2019 8:05:28 PM EDT
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He didn't command VMFAT-502. He commanded VMFAT-501. Minor detail, but I was discussing -502 standing up yesterday and the mistake above stood out to me. This has been a great thread, which I've thoroughly enjoyed reading. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/tL3ziGLaczj5CCOd9JaGxY-XRjs=/1024x596/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/63/c2/63c2602c-c404-49f0-968c-cc2fc5b54c47/08j_am2019_berke_replaces-e_live.jpg The first non-test pilot to fly the F-35, Berke commanded Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 502 at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina. He is the only Marine ever to have qualified to fly the F-22 Raptor and served as the F-22 division commander at the Air Force’s 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron. "Fighter aircraft all have to have a level of performance and maneuverability: speed, Gs, turn rate, turn radius, acceleration, climb—all of those things. In the F-35, there’s not a massive change in those performance metrics. The F-35 is better [than legacy aircraft], but not a lot better. But those ways to measure an airplane are not nearly as relevant now as they used to be. They’re not irrelevant, but they are not as important as all the other qualities that you should be measuring an airplane by. If you were to write down all the ways in which you could measure an airplane—payload, fuel, ordnance, handling—and ask 100 pilots to rank which is the most important, I guarantee you that 100 out of 100 pilots would say “situational awareness.” By far. Not a single pilot in the world would say “turn radius.” Not one. Because the more you know, the more accurately you know it, the better able you are to make a decision. In situational awareness, the F-35 is superior to all platforms, including the Raptor. I’d never been in an airplane that so effectively and seamlessly integrates information to tell me what’s going on around me—and not just from the radio frequency spectrum, but laser, infrared, electro-optical. That’s usually the first thing people notice when they get in the airplane. They know so much more than they ever knew before. After situational awareness, you want to be able to dictate access regardless of the capability of the threat. A highly robust air-defense network can deny access. The biggest problem that legacy aircraft have right now is that the threat gets to dictate when and where we fly. Air-defense networks can also be limiting for stealth aircraft. The first thing you have to think about in the F-35 is managing your signature. In an F-18, you don’t even think about it because everybody sees you the minute you take off, so you don’t spend a lot of time trying to hide. Managing all the components of low observability is very challenging, and pilots have to think about it all the time. And they don’t do it well the first time. We all struggle with that initially. But you de-brief and analyze and start to build a database of the methods being used to detect you. You start to build a strategy that will keep others from finding you. Where do you want to put other people in the formation so you can maximize information sharing and sensor coverage and sensor footprints? It’s really no different, from a philosophical viewpoint, from what we’ve always done. We spend a lot of time trying to figure out what our weaknesses are: What do I need to fix as a pilot? In an F-22 and F-35, one of the most enjoyable things is being virtually undetectable until it’s way, way, way too late for the threat. If you manage the signature really well, and you do it in a way that is integrated with the other platforms, most of the time the threat doesn’t know you’re there. And that’s why I have extreme faith that the machine is going to be the most dominant aircraft ever built." F-35: What the pilots say This has been a great thread, which I've thoroughly enjoyed reading. I listened to a lecture he was giving to the Dutch I think, where he went into his experience and background as a USMC Hornet driver, live JDAM use in the no-fly zones in Iraq between the Gulf Wars, going to Top Gun and then getting asked to be an Instructor there, how he became a ground FAC in Ramadi, then how he happened to land the F-22 gig, in prep for the USMC to get F-35Bs. He said his whole world changed when he flew the F-22, mainly because he was trying to fight the F-22 with his Hornet brain, and got killed regularly by brand new USAF F-22A pilots who had no habits from the 4th Gen. He said it was the worst time of his life, because he had been flying for as long as these guys had been alive, including being a Top Gun instructor where he could kill any fleet pilot with one hand tied behind his back. Everything changed with 5th Gen. He then said the F-35 has more SA than the F-22 and really is another major step up within the 5th Generation. He presented the 4th Gen perspective and how different it is from the F-22 and F-35 for the pilot, saying he looks back at his first love in the Hornet saying, "Damn you ugly."  7. David 'Chip' Berke: 5th Gen Experience |
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Posted: 3/30/2019 10:30:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. LTCOL Berke is really the one who changed my mind on the F-35. I was very skeptical of the program because there was nothing but negative information about it at the time. I listened to a lecture he was giving to the Dutch I think, where he went into his experience and background as a USMC Hornet driver, live JDAM use in the no-fly zones in Iraq between the Gulf Wars, going to Top Gun and then getting asked to be an Instructor there, how he became a ground FAC in Ramadi, then how he happened to land the F-22 gig, in prep for the USMC to get F-35Bs. He said his whole world changed when he flew the F-22, mainly because he was trying to fight the F-22 with his Hornet brain, and got killed regularly by brand new USAF F-22A pilots who had no habits from the 4th Gen. He said it was the worst time of his life, because he had been flying for as long as these guys had been alive, including being a Top Gun instructor where he could kill any fleet pilot with one hand tied behind his back. Everything changed with 5th Gen. He then said the F-35 has more SA than the F-22 and really is another major step up within the 5th Generation. He presented the 4th Gen perspective and how different it is from the F-22 and F-35 for the pilot, saying he looks back at his first love in the Hornet saying, "Damn you ugly."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxK6O5--9Z0I'm a fan of the F-35. I probably know a little more about the F-35 than the average guy, and I'm impressed by its capabilities. I'm also aware that there's a whole bunch of things the aircraft is capable of, that I don't know exist. My beefs with it come from the maintenance and logistics standpoint, and the lock the LM has on all things F-35. And the fact that almost everything about maintaining and operating the F-35 is different than what we do in the rest of the fleet (I'm active Marine Corps). We can't use OOMA to document maintenance, we use ALIS. Can't use NATEC for publications, we use JTD. Can't submit a pub change through JDRS, you submit an AR through JTD. Repairable components are managed globally, instead of by the Supply folks. I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I'd bet less than 10% of the support equipment for the JSF is capable of being used on legacy aircraft. My beef with this "Special" aircraft is that everything about it is "Special". And "Special" = Expensive. I've said it for years, the smartest people on the planet aren't LM engineers, they're the lawyers that drafted the contract for the JSF. But, seriously, I'm a fan of the aircraft and its capabilities, and we're just getting started with it. |
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Posted: 3/30/2019 10:42:04 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting the video. I'm a fan of the F-35. I probably know a little more about the F-35 than the average guy, and I'm impressed by its capabilities. I'm also aware that there's a whole bunch of things the aircraft is capable of, that I don't know exist. My beefs with it come from the maintenance and logistics standpoint, and the lock the LM has on all things F-35. And the fact that almost everything about maintaining and operating the F-35 is different than what we do in the rest of the fleet (I'm active Marine Corps). We can't use OOMA to document maintenance, we use ALIS. Can't use NATEC for publications, we use JTD. Can't submit a pub change through JDRS, you submit an AR through JTD. Repairable components are managed globally, instead of by the Supply folks. I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I'd bet less than 10% of the support equipment for the JSF is capable of being used on legacy aircraft. My beef with this "Special" aircraft is that everything about it is "Special". And "Special" = Expensive. I've said it for years, the smartest people on the planet aren't LM engineers, they're the lawyers that drafted the contract for the JSF. But, seriously, I'm a fan of the aircraft and its capabilities, and we're just getting started with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks. LTCOL Berke is really the one who changed my mind on the F-35. I was very skeptical of the program because there was nothing but negative information about it at the time. I listened to a lecture he was giving to the Dutch I think, where he went into his experience and background as a USMC Hornet driver, live JDAM use in the no-fly zones in Iraq between the Gulf Wars, going to Top Gun and then getting asked to be an Instructor there, how he became a ground FAC in Ramadi, then how he happened to land the F-22 gig, in prep for the USMC to get F-35Bs. He said his whole world changed when he flew the F-22, mainly because he was trying to fight the F-22 with his Hornet brain, and got killed regularly by brand new USAF F-22A pilots who had no habits from the 4th Gen. He said it was the worst time of his life, because he had been flying for as long as these guys had been alive, including being a Top Gun instructor where he could kill any fleet pilot with one hand tied behind his back. Everything changed with 5th Gen. He then said the F-35 has more SA than the F-22 and really is another major step up within the 5th Generation. He presented the 4th Gen perspective and how different it is from the F-22 and F-35 for the pilot, saying he looks back at his first love in the Hornet saying, "Damn you ugly." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxK6O5--9Z0I'm a fan of the F-35. I probably know a little more about the F-35 than the average guy, and I'm impressed by its capabilities. I'm also aware that there's a whole bunch of things the aircraft is capable of, that I don't know exist. My beefs with it come from the maintenance and logistics standpoint, and the lock the LM has on all things F-35. And the fact that almost everything about maintaining and operating the F-35 is different than what we do in the rest of the fleet (I'm active Marine Corps). We can't use OOMA to document maintenance, we use ALIS. Can't use NATEC for publications, we use JTD. Can't submit a pub change through JDRS, you submit an AR through JTD. Repairable components are managed globally, instead of by the Supply folks. I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I'd bet less than 10% of the support equipment for the JSF is capable of being used on legacy aircraft. My beef with this "Special" aircraft is that everything about it is "Special". And "Special" = Expensive. I've said it for years, the smartest people on the planet aren't LM engineers, they're the lawyers that drafted the contract for the JSF. But, seriously, I'm a fan of the aircraft and its capabilities, and we're just getting started with it. Since a totally different logistics network was designed for the F-35A, F-35B, and F-35C based on decades of complaints and lessons-learned from Viper, Harrier, and Hornet maintainers and logisticians, they have really built a system that steps things up several notches and will eventually drop MMHPFH considerably once the infrastructure is in-place. Every program starts out with the maintenance costs and growing pains much higher, then once the bugs are worked out with the program, the costs and MMHPFH drop considerably (except with the F-14 and F-111). The readiness rates and OPTEMPO demonstrated by the recent deployment to the Red Sea indicates that with an operational squadron on the MEU, it went smoothly. Maybe that's the squadron commander blowing smoke, but it didn't sound like it. He said they specifically had far better readiness compared to the legacy jets, which was a breath of fresh air compared to what they're used to dealing with. The B model will be the more maintenance-intensive variant though for sure with the lift fan and constrained connections between the forward fuselage and main fuselage/wings/engine/weapons. The Marines won't have any legacy aircraft in the next 11 years, so it comes as no real burden if the JSF-specific footprint doesn't support them, especially as more baby Hornets and Harriers get relegated to the Reserves. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 11:13:07 PM EDT
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 USMC F-35B Flight Operations • USS Wasp (LHD-1)  "Green Knights" on the Deck: VMFA-121 F-35B Lightning IIs Land on the USS Wasp Lacks F35 action but does not disappoint:  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 12:57:34 AM EDT
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This is the most amazing thread on arfcom this year.
Thank you so much for everybody who has taken lots of time and knowledge to educate us. LRRFP is a national treasure among others who have chimed in with real info. Damn !!! 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 12:58:00 AM EDT
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Sorry, double tap.
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Posted: 4/8/2019 5:54:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. LTCOL Berke is really the one who changed my mind on the F-35. I was very skeptical of the program because there was nothing but negative information about it at the time. I listened to a lecture he was giving to the Dutch I think, where he went into his experience and background as a USMC Hornet driver, live JDAM use in the no-fly zones in Iraq between the Gulf Wars, going to Top Gun and then getting asked to be an Instructor there, how he became a ground FAC in Ramadi, then how he happened to land the F-22 gig, in prep for the USMC to get F-35Bs. He said his whole world changed when he flew the F-22, mainly because he was trying to fight the F-22 with his Hornet brain, and got killed regularly by brand new USAF F-22A pilots who had no habits from the 4th Gen. He said it was the worst time of his life, because he had been flying for as long as these guys had been alive, including being a Top Gun instructor where he could kill any fleet pilot with one hand tied behind his back. Everything changed with 5th Gen. He then said the F-35 has more SA than the F-22 and really is another major step up within the 5th Generation. He presented the 4th Gen perspective and how different it is from the F-22 and F-35 for the pilot, saying he looks back at his first love in the Hornet saying, "Damn you ugly." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxK6O5--9Z0Funny line: "the LEAST impressive thing about the F-22 is the speed". Context: amazing speed yet everything else about the F-22 was more impressive .... and the F-35 was more impressive than all that. |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 11:15:05 PM EDT
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That video confirmed what I had been thinking about the F-35 (but hadn't been said as yet) and I still doubted myself because I kept thinking that "it CAN'T be something new, it just CAN'T, this is the US military!". I had been thinking about situational awareness. Funny line: "the LEAST impressive thing about the F-22 is the speed". Context: amazing speed yet everything else about the F-22 was more impressive .... and the F-35 was more impressive than all that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks. LTCOL Berke is really the one who changed my mind on the F-35. I was very skeptical of the program because there was nothing but negative information about it at the time. I listened to a lecture he was giving to the Dutch I think, where he went into his experience and background as a USMC Hornet driver, live JDAM use in the no-fly zones in Iraq between the Gulf Wars, going to Top Gun and then getting asked to be an Instructor there, how he became a ground FAC in Ramadi, then how he happened to land the F-22 gig, in prep for the USMC to get F-35Bs. He said his whole world changed when he flew the F-22, mainly because he was trying to fight the F-22 with his Hornet brain, and got killed regularly by brand new USAF F-22A pilots who had no habits from the 4th Gen. He said it was the worst time of his life, because he had been flying for as long as these guys had been alive, including being a Top Gun instructor where he could kill any fleet pilot with one hand tied behind his back. Everything changed with 5th Gen. He then said the F-35 has more SA than the F-22 and really is another major step up within the 5th Generation. He presented the 4th Gen perspective and how different it is from the F-22 and F-35 for the pilot, saying he looks back at his first love in the Hornet saying, "Damn you ugly." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxK6O5--9Z0Funny line: "the LEAST impressive thing about the F-22 is the speed". Context: amazing speed yet everything else about the F-22 was more impressive .... and the F-35 was more impressive than all that. "When we did F-22 initial tactics development, we got bored of killing F-15Cs and F-16s out at Nellis, so one time, we said to each other, 'Let's see how fast we can kill them all.' It was 4 v 12. We did it in 2 minutes and 22 seconds. They never once saw us, we always won, they always died. At one point, after hearing their wingmen die, 2 F-15s reversed and went supersonic to attempt to egress the area, and went supersonic. I looked at them as I barreled down on them with Mach 1 of closure." Mike "Dozer" Shower, (F-15C Fighter Weapons School Grad, Instructor Pilot, MiG-29 killer, F-22A initial tactics development team out of Edwards.) |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 11:21:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "The Raptor is the fastest, most maneuverable fighter out there, and those are the least impressive things about it. That should tell you something." Chip Berke "When we did F-22 initial tactics development, we got bored of killing F-15Cs and F-16s out at Nellis, so one time, we said to each other, 'Let's see how fast we can kill them all.' It was 4 v 12. We did it in 2 minutes and 22 seconds. They never once saw us, we always won, they always died. At one point, after hearing their wingmen die, 2 F-15s reversed and went supersonic to attempt to egress the area, and went supersonic. I looked at them as I barreled down on them with Mach 1 of closure." Mike "Dozer" Shower, (F-15C Fighter Weapons School Grad, Instructor Pilot, MiG-29 killer, F-22A initial tactics development team out of Edwards.) Please Japan help with an F-22B. |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 11:56:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/9/2019 2:26:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryJesus Christ that's a lot of boom!
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Posted: 4/17/2019 7:12:25 PM EDT
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So as I guessed, the USMC F-35B rotation pulls out, and another set of units comes in to replace not only them, but F-22A CENTCOM coverage.
F-22As have been working CENTCOM for the past 12 years. Since we only have 160 deployable F-22As, it's best to preserve those assets as much as possible, and let capable open production line aircraft step in. CENTCOM 5th Gen Coverage F-22A 2007 ---------------------------------//----------------------------------APR 2019 -----------------------------------USMC F-35B/Essex JUL 2018---------FEB 2019 --------------------------------------------------------USAF 388th TFW F-35A APR 2019---------------------------------------------> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Royal Navy F-35B Summer 2019------------------------------> Just looking at the deployment scheduling that is unfolding in a real-world set of campaigns, you can start to see how the "Joint" nature of JSF is already paying off, and will open doors that have never been open before. With overlapping coverage from coalition nations and sister services, the planning, logistics, ISR, interoperability, comms, and networking are much more streamlined and user-friendly, when contrasted with trying to get F-16s, Typhoons, Tornados, F-15Es, Hornets, Super Hornets, AV-8Bs, BAE Harrier IIs, A-10s, and F-22s on the same sheet. |
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Posted: 4/17/2019 7:36:01 PM EDT
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So as I guessed, the USMC F-35B rotation pulls out, and another set of units comes in to replace not only them, but F-22A CENTCOM coverage. F-22As have been working CENTCOM for the past 12 years. Since we only have 160 deployable F-22As, it's best to preserve those assets as much as possible, and let capable open production line aircraft step in. CENTCOM 5th Gen Coverage F-22A 2007 ---------------------------------//----------------------------------APR 2019 -----------------------------------USMC F-35B/Essex JUL 2018---------FEB 2019 --------------------------------------------------------USAF 388th TFW F-35A APR 2019---------------------------------------------> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Royal Navy F-35B Summer 2019------------------------------> Just looking at the deployment scheduling that is unfolding in a real-world set of campaigns, you can start to see how the "Joint" nature of JSF is already paying off, and will open doors that have never been open before. With overlapping coverage from coalition nations and sister services, the planning, logistics, ISR, interoperability, comms, and networking are much more streamlined and user-friendly, when contrasted with trying to get F-16s, Typhoons, Tornados, F-15Es, Hornets, Super Hornets, AV-8Bs, BAE Harrier IIs, A-10s, and F-22s on the same sheet. |
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Posted: 4/17/2019 7:38:58 PM EDT
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Will pass this on to Omar...
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Posted: 4/17/2019 8:09:41 PM EDT
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Will pass this on to Omar... Sputnik News: Royal Navy to deploy F-35Bs to Cyprus this Summer |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 9:29:39 AM EDT
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"Trump confronts China with aircraft carrier bristling with F-35Bs
President Trump confronted China's effort to dominate the South China Sea by sailing the USS Wasp Marine Assault Carrier armed with up to 15 F-35B jump jets. Local fishermen uploaded video of the USS Wasp amphibious carrier on April 15 sailing near the highly disputed Scarborough Shoal reef about 140 miles from the Philippine mainland that Beijing forcibly seized in 2012, after an extended standoff with Manila. The Obama administration diplomatically intervened, but the Chinese have been dredging and have continued block access to Scarborough Shoal's fish-rich lagoon. President Trump began confronting China by sailing the 4,500-ton USS Hopper destroyer to within 12 miles of Scarborough Shoal in January 2018. Filipino fishermen were stunned when the monstrous 844-foot USS Wasp, weighing 40,500 tons, came over the horizon. They reported that the vessel, carrying a crew of 1,000 sailors, 1,600 Marines, fifteen F-35Bs, four V-22 Ospreys and helicopters, was actively launching and recovering armed F-35B warplanes. A U.S. military spokeswoman told the Japan Times that the Wasp had joined with the Philippine Navy for a "force protection and security" training mission... " More in the article on the recent history of what China's been doing in the region. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/trump_confronts_china_with_aircraft_carrier_bristling_with_f35bs.html |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 10:00:23 AM EDT
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"Trump confronts China with aircraft carrier bristling with F-35Bs President Trump confronted China's effort to dominate the South China Sea by sailing the USS Wasp Marine Assault Carrier armed with up to 15 F-35B jump jets. Local fishermen uploaded video of the USS Wasp amphibious carrier on April 15 sailing near the highly disputed Scarborough Shoal reef about 140 miles from the Philippine mainland that Beijing forcibly seized in 2012, after an extended standoff with Manila. The Obama administration diplomatically intervened, but the Chinese have been dredging and have continued block access to Scarborough Shoal's fish-rich lagoon. President Trump began confronting China by sailing the 4,500-ton USS Hopper destroyer to within 12 miles of Scarborough Shoal in January 2018. Filipino fishermen were stunned when the monstrous 844-foot USS Wasp, weighing 40,500 tons, came over the horizon. They reported that the vessel, carrying a crew of 1,000 sailors, 1,600 Marines, fifteen F-35Bs, four V-22 Ospreys and helicopters, was actively launching and recovering armed F-35B warplanes. A U.S. military spokeswoman told the Japan Times that the Wasp had joined with the Philippine Navy for a "force protection and security" training mission... " More in the article on the recent history of what China's been doing in the region. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/trump_confronts_china_with_aircraft_carrier_bristling_with_f35bs.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
"Trump confronts China with aircraft carrier bristling with F-35Bs President Trump confronted China's effort to dominate the South China Sea by sailing the USS Wasp Marine Assault Carrier armed with up to 15 F-35B jump jets. Local fishermen uploaded video of the USS Wasp amphibious carrier on April 15 sailing near the highly disputed Scarborough Shoal reef about 140 miles from the Philippine mainland that Beijing forcibly seized in 2012, after an extended standoff with Manila. The Obama administration diplomatically intervened, but the Chinese have been dredging and have continued block access to Scarborough Shoal's fish-rich lagoon. President Trump began confronting China by sailing the 4,500-ton USS Hopper destroyer to within 12 miles of Scarborough Shoal in January 2018. Filipino fishermen were stunned when the monstrous 844-foot USS Wasp, weighing 40,500 tons, came over the horizon. They reported that the vessel, carrying a crew of 1,000 sailors, 1,600 Marines, fifteen F-35Bs, four V-22 Ospreys and helicopters, was actively launching and recovering armed F-35B warplanes. A U.S. military spokeswoman told the Japan Times that the Wasp had joined with the Philippine Navy for a "force protection and security" training mission... " More in the article on the recent history of what China's been doing in the region. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/trump_confronts_china_with_aircraft_carrier_bristling_with_f35bs.html  , the US did not) it was agreed that features like the Spratlys were NOT "islands" and that even if built-up they still wouldN'T be 'islands'.
So, legally speaking, you can be standing on those sandbars and be "in international waters". To sail 'to within the 12 mile limit' is a defacto recognition of non-sovereign geologic features as sovereign land. A GIANT FAIL. A politi-coup if you will, by the Chinese. :golfclap: If the US was serious they would sail right by the features, 1,000 yards offshore type of thing. If they were double-dog-dare-you serious they would take a RIB, a cooler and beach chairs, get on the sandbar and start tanning. . eta: ..... was actively launching and recovering armed F-35B warplanes ..... was actively AND AGGRESSIVELY launching and recovering HEAVILY armed F-35B warplanes 
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Posted: 4/18/2019 10:09:15 AM EDT
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Per the UNCLOS agreement (that China signed and agreed to , the US did not) it was agreed that features like the Spratlys were NOT "islands" and that even if built-up they still wouldN'T be 'islands'.
So, legally speaking, you can be standing on those sandbars and be "in international waters". To sail 'within the 12 mile limit' is a defacto recognition of non-sovereign geologic features as sovereign land. If the US was serious they would sail right by the features, 1,000 yards offshore type of thing. If they were double-dog-dare-you serious they would take a RIB, a cooler and beach chairs, get on the sandbar and start tanning. . eta: Have the Chinese lost their touch? shouldn't it have read: ..... was actively AND AGGRESSIVELY launching and recovering HEAVILY armed F-35B warplanes Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Trump confronts China with aircraft carrier bristling with F-35Bs President Trump confronted China's effort to dominate the South China Sea by sailing the USS Wasp Marine Assault Carrier armed with up to 15 F-35B jump jets. Local fishermen uploaded video of the USS Wasp amphibious carrier on April 15 sailing near the highly disputed Scarborough Shoal reef about 140 miles from the Philippine mainland that Beijing forcibly seized in 2012, after an extended standoff with Manila. The Obama administration diplomatically intervened, but the Chinese have been dredging and have continued block access to Scarborough Shoal's fish-rich lagoon. President Trump began confronting China by sailing the 4,500-ton USS Hopper destroyer to within 12 miles of Scarborough Shoal in January 2018. Filipino fishermen were stunned when the monstrous 844-foot USS Wasp, weighing 40,500 tons, came over the horizon. They reported that the vessel, carrying a crew of 1,000 sailors, 1,600 Marines, fifteen F-35Bs, four V-22 Ospreys and helicopters, was actively launching and recovering armed F-35B warplanes. A U.S. military spokeswoman told the Japan Times that the Wasp had joined with the Philippine Navy for a "force protection and security" training mission... " More in the article on the recent history of what China's been doing in the region. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/trump_confronts_china_with_aircraft_carrier_bristling_with_f35bs.html , the US did not) it was agreed that features like the Spratlys were NOT "islands" and that even if built-up they still wouldN'T be 'islands'.
So, legally speaking, you can be standing on those sandbars and be "in international waters". To sail 'within the 12 mile limit' is a defacto recognition of non-sovereign geologic features as sovereign land. If the US was serious they would sail right by the features, 1,000 yards offshore type of thing. If they were double-dog-dare-you serious they would take a RIB, a cooler and beach chairs, get on the sandbar and start tanning. . eta: ..... was actively launching and recovering armed F-35B warplanes ..... was actively AND AGGRESSIVELY launching and recovering HEAVILY armed F-35B warplanes |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 10:16:05 AM EDT
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'Within the 12 mile limit' are your words, not the article's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Trump confronts China with aircraft carrier bristling with F-35Bs President Trump confronted China's effort to dominate the South China Sea by sailing the USS Wasp Marine Assault Carrier armed with up to 15 F-35B jump jets. Local fishermen uploaded video of the USS Wasp amphibious carrier on April 15 sailing near the highly disputed Scarborough Shoal reef about 140 miles from the Philippine mainland that Beijing forcibly seized in 2012, after an extended standoff with Manila. The Obama administration diplomatically intervened, but the Chinese have been dredging and have continued block access to Scarborough Shoal's fish-rich lagoon. President Trump began confronting China by sailing the 4,500-ton USS Hopper destroyer to within 12 miles of Scarborough Shoal in January 2018. Filipino fishermen were stunned when the monstrous 844-foot USS Wasp, weighing 40,500 tons, came over the horizon. They reported that the vessel, carrying a crew of 1,000 sailors, 1,600 Marines, fifteen F-35Bs, four V-22 Ospreys and helicopters, was actively launching and recovering armed F-35B warplanes. A U.S. military spokeswoman told the Japan Times that the Wasp had joined with the Philippine Navy for a "force protection and security" training mission... " More in the article on the recent history of what China's been doing in the region. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/trump_confronts_china_with_aircraft_carrier_bristling_with_f35bs.html , the US did not) it was agreed that features like the Spratlys were NOT "islands" and that even if built-up they still wouldN'T be 'islands'.
So, legally speaking, you can be standing on those sandbars and be "in international waters". To sail 'within the 12 mile limit' is a defacto recognition of non-sovereign geologic features as sovereign land. If the US was serious they would sail right by the features, 1,000 yards offshore type of thing. If they were double-dog-dare-you serious they would take a RIB, a cooler and beach chairs, get on the sandbar and start tanning. . eta: ..... was actively launching and recovering armed F-35B warplanes ..... was actively AND AGGRESSIVELY launching and recovering HEAVILY armed F-35B warplanes (To be clear, it is referencing an earlier drive-by another US Navy ship, but this has been standard practice since 2012) |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 10:19:12 AM EDT
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It's from your post AND the article. (To be clear, it is referencing an earlier drive-by another US Navy ship, but this has been standard practice since 2012) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Trump confronts China with aircraft carrier bristling with F-35Bs President Trump confronted China's effort to dominate the South China Sea by sailing the USS Wasp Marine Assault Carrier armed with up to 15 F-35B jump jets. Local fishermen uploaded video of the USS Wasp amphibious carrier on April 15 sailing near the highly disputed Scarborough Shoal reef about 140 miles from the Philippine mainland that Beijing forcibly seized in 2012, after an extended standoff with Manila. The Obama administration diplomatically intervened, but the Chinese have been dredging and have continued block access to Scarborough Shoal's fish-rich lagoon. President Trump began confronting China by sailing the 4,500-ton USS Hopper destroyer to within 12 miles of Scarborough Shoal in January 2018. Filipino fishermen were stunned when the monstrous 844-foot USS Wasp, weighing 40,500 tons, came over the horizon. They reported that the vessel, carrying a crew of 1,000 sailors, 1,600 Marines, fifteen F-35Bs, four V-22 Ospreys and helicopters, was actively launching and recovering armed F-35B warplanes. A U.S. military spokeswoman told the Japan Times that the Wasp had joined with the Philippine Navy for a "force protection and security" training mission... " More in the article on the recent history of what China's been doing in the region. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/trump_confronts_china_with_aircraft_carrier_bristling_with_f35bs.html , the US did not) it was agreed that features like the Spratlys were NOT "islands" and that even if built-up they still wouldN'T be 'islands'.
So, legally speaking, you can be standing on those sandbars and be "in international waters". To sail 'within the 12 mile limit' is a defacto recognition of non-sovereign geologic features as sovereign land. If the US was serious they would sail right by the features, 1,000 yards offshore type of thing. If they were double-dog-dare-you serious they would take a RIB, a cooler and beach chairs, get on the sandbar and start tanning. . eta: ..... was actively launching and recovering armed F-35B warplanes ..... was actively AND AGGRESSIVELY launching and recovering HEAVILY armed F-35B warplanes (To be clear, it is referencing an earlier drive-by another US Navy ship, but this has been standard practice since 2012) |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 10:21:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Highlight where it says that in what I posted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Highlight where it says that in what I posted. Quoted:
........... President Trump began confronting China by sailing the 4,500-ton USS Hopper destroyer to within 12 miles of Scarborough Shoal in January 2018. .......... https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/trump_confronts_china_with_aircraft_carrier_bristling_with_f35bs.html 
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Posted: 4/18/2019 10:22:30 AM EDT
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It also doesn't state anywhere in the article what you claims it states.
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Posted: 4/18/2019 10:30:06 AM EDT
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It also doesn't state anywhere in the article what you claims it states.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 10:33:11 AM EDT
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For those who know .... that article states there were 15 F-35Bs on board. Does having 'only' four Ospreys leave room for that?
Is there room for all those? I thought six (smaller) Harriers was close to having to scientifically pack them on board with everything else. When I was on the WASP that hanger looked decidedly small. |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 11:28:22 AM EDT
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For those who know .... that article states there were 15 F-35Bs on board. Does having 'only' four Ospreys leave room for that? Is there room for all those? I thought six (smaller) Harriers was close to having to scientifically pack them on board with everything else. When I was on the WASP that hanger looked decidedly small. The F-35B has an unrefueled combat radius of anywhere between 450-520nm, compared with the AV-8B II's ~300nm radius. 
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Posted: 4/18/2019 11:40:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2019 12:07:56 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/21064/A320B1C8-6567-47A8-AE04-4BC6C57AECD2_jpeg-916557.JPG Organic aerial refueling coming soon! |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 1:33:21 PM EDT
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This is not to say the F-35B isn’t an amazing aircraft, but the AV-8B Harriers is a rather low baseline to use for comparison... |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 1:43:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: notsureifserious.jpeg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80868/Screen_Shot_2019-04-18_at_10_23_41_AM__2__png-916498.JPG And this time of year is Balikatan. An annual training exercise with the AFP. |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 1:55:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2019 2:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like 10 x F-35Bs on deck, 5 below, 4 Ospreys and a Hawk ready to launch. The F-35B has an unrefueled combat radius of anywhere between 450-520nm, compared with the AV-8B II's ~300nm radius. https://oi1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/Aviation/img_zpswvx92jvt.jpg |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 2:06:20 PM EDT
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Thank you. Are you still failing to see the difference between what you think it says vs what it actually says? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/18/2019 2:18:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2019 6:06:39 PM EDT
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I wonder if Big Navy ®™© is pissed about an LHD 'Carrier'.
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Posted: 4/18/2019 6:25:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2019 7:52:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2019 7:56:34 PM EDT
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All of those F-35s are cool unless you need to run a non-combatant evacuation from some flea-bitten country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if Big Navy ®™© is pissed about an LHD 'Carrier'. If only......
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Posted: 4/18/2019 8:02:14 PM EDT
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If only there was a viable solution to relocate those F-35B STOVL aircraft. If only...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/18/2019 8:43:33 PM EDT
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I was wondering, with the four on-board, if that was already a thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/21064/A320B1C8-6567-47A8-AE04-4BC6C57AECD2_jpeg-916557.JPG Organic aerial refueling coming soon! https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/04/23/the-corps-is-on-track-to-turn-the-mv-22-into-a-refueling-tanker/ https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-07-18/osprey-begin-refueling-tests-next-year |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 10:52:03 PM EDT
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All these synergistic systems the USMC has invested in have fundamentally transformed the Corps from a legacy maritime OTB assault force, into something we've never seen before - a networked, agile, littoral kill web force projection capability that rivals all the air forces of the world (who aren't JSF partners).
Since when did the USMC posses the capability to engage and destroy any threat air systems in the world, while being able to penetrate and strike protected TGTs in an advanced IADS network, while providing AWACS and EW capabilities all from the same type of bird? Add on much faster deployment speeds with the MV-22 Osprey, precision-guided artillery linked with the F-35Bs and drones, support nodes, evolved MAGTF assets that have stepped up into net-centric warfare, and you have a very capable organization that almost doesn't resemble its former self. |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 11:45:17 PM EDT
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All these synergistic systems the USMC has invested in have fundamentally transformed the Corps from a legacy maritime OTB assault force, into something we've never seen before - a networked, agile, littoral kill web force projection capability that rivals all the air forces of the world (who aren't JSF partners). Since when did the USMC posses the capability to engage and destroy any threat air systems in the world, while being able to penetrate and strike protected TGTs in an advanced IADS network, while providing AWACS and EW capabilities all from the same type of bird? Add on much faster deployment speeds with the MV-22 Osprey, precision-guided artillery linked with the F-35Bs and drones, support nodes, evolved MAGTF assets that have stepped up into net-centric warfare, and you have a very capable organization that almost doesn't resemble its former self. http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=24397&t=1 What we're doing with the Chinese right now is making them nervous with our poking and prodding, all while remaining invisible. They know the F35 is out there, but where? They see the videos of the planes launching and landing, but they can't track anything with radar. We have to be gathering good intel. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 5:58:34 PM EDT
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https://news.usni.org/2019/04/16/f-35b-allowed-essex-arg-to-flex-new-blue-water-capabilities-in-absence-of-carrier-nearby
"...Nelms and Mahoney said the deployment was notable for many other reasons. The deployment was extended by a month, keeping the sailors and Marines out for 234 days. They had a packed schedule on the transit through the Pacific, working with many partners big and small. The ARG/MEU parked in the Arabian Sea for two weeks to conduct strikes in Afghanistan – the first-ever combat strikes by the F-35 – and then spent more than 50 days flying more than 100 combat sorties over Syria, for a total of more than 1,200 combat hours in support of Operation Inherent Resolve alone. Anchorage sailed as far as Rota, Spain – an unusual location for a West Coast ship to end up, Nelms and Mahoney said. Both the Navy and Marines brought 3D printers to begin learning lessons about printing small plastic parts at sea, as a first step forwards eventually being able to print more complex metal parts. And the aircraft maintained an average readiness rate of 70 percent, with the F-35Bs maintaining a 75-percent readiness rate." |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 6:25:45 PM EDT
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USMC Testing "Lightning Carrier" Concept in Combat and on Deployments
Lightning carriers armed with F-35s could theoretically take over operations in low-end conflicts, freeing up the "supercarriers" to focus on higher-end threats such as Russia and China.
These light carriers could also boost the overall firepower of the Navy carrier force. 
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Posted: 4/23/2019 10:00:23 PM EDT
[#49]
Well, The Corps has never been accused of lacking innovation. Click on link at bottom and read the entire article.
""ARLINGTON, Va. – The Marine Corps is learning how to incorporate its new F-35B Joint Strike Fighter jets into its island-hopping concept of Expeditionary Advance Base Operations, with the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit rehearsing this concept recently in the Pacific... ...On Ie Shima, off Okinawa, 31st MEU conducted a standard raid and seizure: a recon team jumped in to pave the way for a raid force being flown in to seize the island. Once the island was secured, CH-53E heavy-lift helicopters flew in fuel bladders and ordnance to conduct a forward arming and refueling point (FARP) operation with the F-35Bs... ...Practicing the FARP and incorporating the F-35B into that event is just one way the 31st MEU is rehearsing the new way the Marine Corps wants to do business. Commandant Gen. Robert Neller and other service leaders have made a habit of talking about the Marines needing to help the Navy “fight to get to the fight” and be a useful tool in gaining and maintaining sea control. To that end, Brodie said, the 31st MEU also conducted an exercise to defend the three-ship amphibious ready group against a potential threat using the guns on the light armored vehicles (LAVs)... ...“We actually put our LAVs up on the top of the flight deck of the Wasp (LHD-1) … and we conduct drills to address a potential impending attack on the ship. And it was very unique in the fact that the captain of the ship controls all fires, so he’s working not only his organic fires off his ship, he’s also controlling Marine Corps fires,” Brodie said. “So I think we showed that that LAV is not only a great system that can be used in a Marine Corps capacity, it’s also a great defense system. It has a gyro-stabilized gun, so it works very well, even with a little bit of pitch and roll in the water. So that was really important.”... ""  Attached Filehttps://news.usni.org/2019/04/23/marines-folding-f-35b-into-new-pacific-island-hopping-concept |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 4:53:12 PM EDT
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...“We actually put our LAVs up on the top of the flight deck of the Wasp (LHD-1) … and we conduct drills to address a potential impending attack on the ship. And it was very unique in the fact that the captain of the ship controls all fires, so he’s working not only his organic fires off his ship, he’s also controlling Marine Corps fires,” Brodie said. “So I think we showed that that LAV is not only a great system that can be used in a Marine Corps capacity, it’s also a great defense system. It has a gyro-stabilized gun, so it works very well, even with a little bit of pitch and roll in the water. So that was really important.”... "" 
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