Posted: 5/30/2011 9:18:18 PM EDT
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http://soldiersystems.net/2011/03/25/the-latest-multicam-knockoff/ So instead of using the vetted camouflage, PM SCIE secretly developed an in-house four-color pattern designed to be compatible with OCP. Somehow, the omission of just one of MultiCam webbing’s five colors resulted in a 50% reduction in cost, or so claims a recent Purchase Description Change obtained by SSD.   http://www.scribd.com/doc/51505033/IOTV-PD-07-05E-Change-v3-7 |
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No. The government should've asked, or the contractor should've offered, "What is the savings to the US taxpayer if we leave out one color?" It's your tax dollars.
Quoted: Quoted: Magpul followers part 2 Let's just take an idea from someone, change one thing and fuck over the inventors.. Nice My thoughts as well. This is the type of shit that scoundrels pull. |
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How come our defense always cuts costs at the infantry level? Why not cut out stuff that's not really needed? I'm pretty sure we can bomb the Hindu Kush without stealth fighters. No but we may need to bomb an advanced china in the future.. why don't they just switch to double ply toilet paper? That way they won't weaken our armed forces or rip off someone who worked hard for their invention/design |
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Quoted: Or kicking half the brass out of the pentagon, the military is top heavy - too many nose pickers not enough ditch diggers.How come our defense always cuts costs at the infantry level? Why not cut out stuff that's not really needed? I'm pretty sure we can bomb the Hindu Kush without stealth fighters. |
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Quoted: No. The government should've asked, or the contractor should've offered, "What is the savings to the US taxpayer if we leave out one color?" It's your tax dollars. Quoted: Quoted: Magpul followers part 2 Let's just take an idea from someone, change one thing and fuck over the inventors.. Nice My thoughts as well. This is the type of shit that scoundrels pull. its not the cost of one color. MC belongs to Crye and things made with it cost a little more because of licensing fees... |
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Magpul followers part 2 Let's just take an idea from someone, change one thing and fuck over the inventors.. Nice My thoughts as well. This is the type of shit that scoundrels pull. You should've seen what the Air Force did to Tiger Stripe Products in the ABU fiasco. DOUCHEBAGGERY of flyboy proportions. |
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Quoted: Halle-fucking-lujah. The government is broke. It's time to find all such cost-savings. All of them. I used to work in the industry. The waste is incomprehensible if you've never witnessed it. Bullshit. The .gov isn't broke, it just does a piss poor job of spending the hundreds of billions it does have. There are few, if any, things that are more basic, and more important, to a soldier on the ground than an effective camouflage pattern. If the new pattern works just as well then no harm (to the soldier at least). But if not, then they are making a bad decision that may still prove costly in the form of death and disability benefits. -K |
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No. The government should've asked, or the contractor should've offered, "What is the savings to the US taxpayer if we leave out one color?" It's your tax dollars.
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Magpul followers part 2 Let's just take an idea from someone, change one thing and fuck over the inventors.. Nice My thoughts as well. This is the type of shit that scoundrels pull. its not the cost of one color. MC belongs to Crye and things made with it cost a little more because of licensing fees... Exactly.. Crye invented the design, chose material, etc. through testing and evaluation. The customer who can't lose a lawsuit comes by, buys a shit-ton of it, then comes budgetary committee asking how to cut costs and maintain product, smart guy says "I know, let's remove one color, take the middle man out and avoid paying the supplier what we agreed, they can't sue the army." No research, no tooling, no thinking, just thievery. |
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Halle-fucking-lujah. The government is broke. It's time to find all such cost-savings. All of them. I used to work in the industry. The waste is incomprehensible if you've never witnessed it. Bullshit. The .gov isn't broke, it just does a piss poor job of spending the hundreds of billions it does have. There are few, if any, things that are more basic, and more important, to a soldier on the ground than an effective camouflage pattern. If the new pattern works just as well then no harm (to the soldier at least). But if not, then they are making a bad decision that may still prove costly in the form of death and disability benefits. -K not only that but aren't they wasting the money they used to contract the company that created the design? |
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Quoted: Should have picked up A-TACS. Multi Cam looks like crap after it wears. A-TACS looks like it blends better anyway. Of course, I never had any problems with plain woodland. All camo looks like crap after it wears. All my multicam uniforms look comparitively fine after several months of wear. My gear has been thrashed but still looks good. The biggest thing that makes uniforms look like shit after use is the flame resistant material that all deployment uniforms are made of. |
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Quoted: Magpul followers part 2 Let's just take an idea from someone, change one thing and fuck over the inventors.. Nice Why are you surprised? This isn't something new either. It's been done for decades, why do you think major manufacturers and suppliers are reluctant to work with the military and Government unless they have had long-term contracts in the past? Reverse engineering is one of the SOP's to cut costs. Great for tax payers, bad for capitalism and entrepreneurs. |
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Magpul followers part 2 Let's just take an idea from someone, change one thing and fuck over the inventors.. Nice Can someone explain this for the uneducated? I don't have the exact details in memory right now, but it went something like: Army wanted a way to fix the reliablity of GI mags/ new followers. Magpul offered Army something like half a million units free of charge or close to no charge for evaluation, as well as a gross discount on future purchase of said followers. Army declined/ignored, then somehow out of thin air, the army "developed" an enhanced follower from scratch, having a 99.99% design simularity to Gen 1 Magpul Enhanced Follower. Zero credit monetary nor intellectually, going to Magpul. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Magpul followers part 2 Let's just take an idea from someone, change one thing and fuck over the inventors.. Nice Can someone explain this for the uneducated? I don't have the exact details in memory right now, but it went something like: Army wanted a way to fix the reliablity of GI mags/ new followers. Magpul offered Army something like half a million units free of charge or close to no charge for evaluation, as well as a gross discount on future purchase of said followers. Army declined/ignored, then somehow out of thin air, the army "developed" an enhanced follower from scratch, having a 99.99% design simularity to Gen 1 Magpul Enhanced Follower. Zero credit monetary nor intellectually, going to Magpul. Same thing that was done to Eagle with the MOLLE strap w/ snap system. |
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Quoted: Quoted: were broke folks, chill out We can kiss non-DOD R&D goodbye now if the army plans on simply stealing the designs. You're about 30 years too late. Standard operating procedure for DoD is to reverse engineer commercial designs (or at least consider it) to open the competition and identify a best value solution. |
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Quoted: Almost seems like the Chinese are running our government doesn't it?Quoted: Magpul followers part 2 Let's just take an idea from someone, change one thing and fuck over the inventors.. Nice My thoughts as well. This is the type of shit that scoundrels pull. |
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Magpul followers part 2 Let's just take an idea from someone, change one thing and fuck over the inventors.. Nice Can someone explain this for the uneducated? I don't have the exact details in memory right now, but it went something like: Army wanted a way to fix the reliablity of GI mags/ new followers. Magpul offered Army something like half a million units free of charge or close to no charge for evaluation, as well as a gross discount on future purchase of said followers. Army declined/ignored, then somehow out of thin air, the army "developed" an enhanced follower from scratch, having a 99.99% design simularity to Gen 1 Magpul Enhanced Follower. Zero credit monetary nor intellectually, going to Magpul. Have you ever compared a Magpul follower to an HK416 follower? |
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Halle-fucking-lujah. The government is broke. It's time to find all such cost-savings. All of them. I used to work in the industry. The waste is incomprehensible if you've never witnessed it. Bullshit. The .gov isn't broke, it just does a piss poor job of spending the hundreds of billions it does have. There are few, if any, things that are more basic, and more important, to a soldier on the ground than an effective camouflage pattern. If the new pattern works just as well then no harm (to the soldier at least). But if not, then they are making a bad decision that may still prove costly in the form of death and disability benefits. -K This. I threw away thousands of dollars of office equipment last week and the attitude was 'oh we'll just get newer, better shit'. |
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How about having the Marine Corps spend millions of R&D dollars on the best combat camoflage pattern for a Marine uniform. Then the Army could spend millions of R&D dollars on the best combat camoflage pattern for an Army Grunt. Then have the Navy spend millions of R&D dollars on the best combat camoflage pattern for a Squid ashore. Then have the Air Force spend millions of R&D dollars on the best combat camoflage pattern for a Wing-Wiper out in the <gasp> field.
Government: "hey contractor, how can we save some money on our uniforms?" Contractor: "why don't you all just use one uniform and we'll make name tapes that say ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, USMC?" Government: "We can't do that. It makes too much sense. Come up with another idea." Contractor: 
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Quoted: Quoted: I know what we can do.... we can take MARPAT, and remove the black (because black is not found in nature)............. That's an erroneous statement, and an oft repeated, ridiculous argument. Your sarcasm meter (as well as couple of others) seems to be in need of calibration or repair. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know what we can do.... we can take MARPAT, and remove the black (because black is not found in nature)............. That's an erroneous statement, and an oft repeated, ridiculous argument. Your sarcasm meter (as well as couple of others) seems to be in need of calibration or repair. Sure buddy  |
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Quoted: How about having the Army Marines spend millions of R&D dollars on the best combat camoflage pattern for a Marine uniform. Then the Army could spend millions of R&D dollars on the best combat camoflage pattern for an Army Grunt. Then have the Navy spend millions of R&D dollars on the best combat camoflage pattern for a Squid ashore. Then have the Air Force spend millions of R&D dollars on the best combat camoflage pattern for a Wing-Wiper out in the <gasp> field. Government: "hey contractor, how can we save some money on our uniforms?" Contractor: "why don't you all just use one uniform and we'll make name tapes that say ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, USMC?" Government: "We can't do that. It makes too much sense. Come up with another idea." Contractor: It was the Army that developed the pattern that the Marines then modified with the EGA when the Army decided that having camouflage that worked was a bad idea. |
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How come our defense always cuts costs at the infantry level? Why not cut out stuff that's not really needed? I'm pretty sure we can bomb the Hindu Kush without stealth fighters. No shit right? That webbing looks fucking terrible. it looks like that shit that they make kids "gi joe" sleeping bags out of and call it camouflage. And you're right, any time money has to disappear its the war fighter that sees the cut, while USAF weather reporters in Qatar are enjoying surf and turf weekly. Fuck this shit pisses me off. |
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I know what we can do.... we can take MARPAT, and remove the black (because black is not found in nature)............. ETA: Make sure your sarcasm meters have passed calibration before commenting on this statement. That and when someone is walking towards you with a huge black splotch on their collar you can't tell if they're a LCpl or SgtMaj... well those two maybe but sure as hell can't tell any difference between any of the E-8/E-9 ranks sometimes E-7. |
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Mcmanara the bean counter took control of a .mil in 1960 similair to the one we have today.
Navy, Airforce, Marines, Army all had different uniforms, different boots, different planes, different pistols, different vehicals. He streamlined the process where possible one uniform, one boot type, one rifle, one machine gun, one pistol. This saved huge amounts of money. We need to do this again. I disagree with the different issue uniforms between the services one camo pattern for all in theater is the way to go. Doing this will cut down on freindly fire and cut confusuion, AS well as cost. Most Army & Marine privates would not recognize the other camo pattern as a US soldier. The only reason this is not a real issue is Hajis do not wear cammo. |