Posted: 6/15/2022 12:44:45 AM EDT
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I'm in Missouri. I'm looking at a dual sport that will be sold bill of sale only. I've had dispatch run the VIN, and it comes back with no wants, so that won't be an issue (not stolen). It's a 2005 so it falls within the criteria for the Vermont title process (15 years old). Curious, has anyone here used it? If so, tips, tricks, or suggestions? ETA: clarification that I'm out of state and looking to title a bill-of-sale only bike. |
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You just register the bike in Vermont. There is no title and they won't ask for one. Also, they don't care what state you live in - they will happily register it in Vermont regardless. The whole point is that you then take the Vermont registration to your local DMV. When your DMV asks for a title, tell them Vermont doesn't title bikes of this age and then show them the Vermont registration. Your DMV will check their highway regs book, confirm you are correct and then issue you a title in your state. Yes, I have done this. Oh yeah, you will need to have your local police do a VIN verification before you can get your Vermont registration. They just confirm the VIN on the bike matches the VIN on your paperwork. Don't tell them what you are doing because they might be uncooperative. Just tell them something like you are moving to Vermont next month and don't want to have to re-register the bike so soon. |
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Quoted: You just register the bike in Vermont. There is no title and they won't ask for one. Also, they don't care what state you live in - they will happily register it in Vermont regardless. The whole point is that you then take the Vermont registration to your local DMV. When your DMV asks for a title, tell them Vermont doesn't title bikes of this age and then show them the Vermont registration. Your DMV will check their highway regs book, confirm you are correct and then issue you a title in your state. Yes, I have done this. Oh yeah, you will need to have your local police do a VIN verification before you can get your Vermont registration. They just confirm the VIN on the bike matches the VIN on your paperwork. Don't tell them what you are doing because they might be uncooperative. Just tell them something like you are moving to Vermont next month and don't want to have to re-register the bike so soon. Pretty sure he IS the police, so that shouldn’t be a problem 
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Quoted: You just register the bike in Vermont. There is no title and they won't ask for one. Also, they don't care what state you live in - they will happily register it in Vermont regardless. The whole point is that you then take the Vermont registration to your local DMV. When your DMV asks for a title, tell them Vermont doesn't title bikes of this age and then show them the Vermont registration. Your DMV will check their highway regs book, confirm you are correct and then issue you a title in your state. Yes, I have done this. Oh yeah, you will need to have your local police do a VIN verification before you can get your Vermont registration. They just confirm the VIN on the bike matches the VIN on your paperwork. Don't tell them what you are doing because they might be uncooperative. Just tell them something like you are moving to Vermont next month and don't want to have to re-register the bike so soon. Why? Vermont dmv runs the vin in the database before issuing. |
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Quoted: I bought a car with a goofed up transfer history without a title. I looked at the Vermont rout and ended up doing a bonded title in my home state that transferred to a standard title when no one challenged the ownership claim I had on it after 2 years. If the VT thing crashes and burns I'll go bonded title. I like the idea of a "regular" title immediately with the VT method, vs having an encumbered title for 3 years if I go the bonded route. |
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Quoted: I bought a car with a goofed up transfer history without a title. I looked at the Vermont rout and ended up doing a bonded title in my home state that transferred to a standard title when no one challenged the ownership claim I had on it after 2 years. Vermont Reg & title was MUCH cheaper & faster than the the "Bonded Title" route. In Texas a three year wait, plus the cost of the bond. It seems weird but it is Legit. BONUS - you get lots of people asking you if you rode your bike all the way down from Vermont.  BIGGER_HAMMER 
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I have done titles in Virginia for old bikes using the abandoned vehicle process. But it takes 45 days and costs like $100 by the time you are done. But they will issue a real title without any bonding oar salvage or some such. I was thinking Vermont would only work if the bike was under a certain size? |
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If the bike or frame is 15 years or older, register it in Vermont. Can do it all through the mail. It's easier than what it's made out to be. I did this a few years ago with a home build to avoid the bullshit Ohio makes you go through. Mail in a copy of the mso or bill of sale, vin inspection (has to be done at a bmv or state highway, they won't accept ones done at a dealership) and the registration form with payment. Wait 6 weeks and you get your registration with Vermont plate in the mail. Take said registration to your local BMV and get it transferred. |
| How are those of you who operate vehicles with out of state plates getting them insured? My insurance co would require a policy for the state the vehicle was registered in meaning I'd have to have a NV insurance policy for my cars and a VT policy for the motorcycle. Obviously, this assumes that the motorcycle is licensed for the street and insurance is required. |
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Quoted: How are those of you who operate vehicles with out of state plates getting them insured? My insurance co would require a policy for the state the vehicle was registered in meaning I'd have to have a NV insurance policy for my cars and a VT policy for the motorcycle. Obviously, this assumes that the motorcycle is licensed for the street and insurance is required. USAA never asked where my vehicles are titled - just where they are parked/operated. Besides, most people don't leave their vehicle registered in Vermont. Registering it there is usually just a workaround to the problem of not having a title. In my case, I had added lights, mirrors, horn, etc. to a little TTR125 dirt bike to make it street legal. Went to the local Alabama DMV only to be rudely told "you will never get that bike tagged for the street!" He was quite wrong but I never went back and gloated about it because I'm sure it would have gone badly for me. |
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Quoted: You just register the bike in Vermont. There is no title and they won't ask for one. Also, they don't care what state you live in - they will happily register it in Vermont regardless. The whole point is that you then take the Vermont registration to your local DMV. When your DMV asks for a title, tell them Vermont doesn't title bikes of this age and then show them the Vermont registration. Your DMV will check their highway regs book, confirm you are correct and then issue you a title in your state. Yes, I have done this. Oh yeah, you will need to have your local police do a VIN verification before you can get your Vermont registration. They just confirm the VIN on the bike matches the VIN on your paperwork. Don't tell them what you are doing because they might be uncooperative. Just tell them something like you are moving to Vermont next month and don't want to have to re-register the bike so soon. Attached File |
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If the bike is under 500 cc’s, I think the inspection by the authorities is waived. I think…I’ll find out soon enough, as I just sent off paperwork for a 70cc Honda. I know when I did it for my CJ 750, I “had a friend at work” fill out the VIN verification, no issues. Full discloser, I used to have a badge, retired now. This does work, you’ll get the plate first, then in a week or two, you’ll get the sticker and transferable registration. If you have insurance issues, use Progressive insurance, they insured my 2003 HD Road King without registration, as I won it on an auction site, and was waiting for the Govdeals paperwork, but I dropped it off at the repair shop, and didn’t want to have an uninsured bike in case the shop dropped it. |
| I had cars registered in NH and they have a similar thing where over a certain age doesn’t get a title. Most of the local states knew this and issued their own no problem. Sold a car to a guy in Iowa or idaho one time and his dmv gave him a little bit of a hard time over it but they eventually just made him one. |
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Quoted: I have done titles in Virginia for old bikes using the abandoned vehicle process. But it takes 45 days and costs like $100 by the time you are done. But they will issue a real title without any bonding oar salvage or some such. I was thinking Vermont would only work if the bike was under a certain size? Not Displacement, it is the bike Age that is the magic key. Did the whole thing by mail and it was super quick, easy & cheap. Toughest part was getting into local law enforcement to do the VIN Verification. BIGGER_HAMMER
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Quoted: Not Displacement, it is the bike Age that is the magic key. Did the whole thing by mail and it was super quick, easy & cheap. Toughest part was getting into local law enforcement to do the VIN Verification. BIGGER_HAMMER Quoted: Quoted: I have done titles in Virginia for old bikes using the abandoned vehicle process. But it takes 45 days and costs like $100 by the time you are done. But they will issue a real title without any bonding oar salvage or some such. I was thinking Vermont would only work if the bike was under a certain size? Not Displacement, it is the bike Age that is the magic key. Did the whole thing by mail and it was super quick, easy & cheap. Toughest part was getting into local law enforcement to do the VIN Verification. BIGGER_HAMMER Actually, it's both. Vermont doesn't title older bikes or bikes under a certain displacement (300cc's?). They also don't title older cars. The other key point about Vermont laws is that you don't need to live there to register your vehicle there. But the thing is, most states give you like 90 days to switch your registration when you move there. So I think usually it would be illegal to drive around forever with Vermont tags in a different state. |