Posted: 2/16/2004 6:55:00 AM EDT
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Are guns sold at Wal Mart of lower quality than those which are sold at gun shops? The difference is price kinda makes me wonder... |
| lets think about this logically. do you actually believe that remington has 2 of the exact same machines sitting next to each other that produce the exact same rifle, but one is not made quite as good. of course not. not only would that reflect badly upon remington it would reflect badly on walmart. the price difference is because of 2 reasons. wal-mart doesn't mark firearms up very much. about 12-15% and they buy in huge quantities, walmart is the largest seller of firearms in the US. |
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Anyone have any documentation on this? I'm not saying Walmart guns are seconds but they've cut deals with Federal and Winchester for promotional shotgun loads that no other entity can buy wholesale. Wouldn't be too far of a stretch to have weapons manufactured to "Walmart specs." For those saying they are the same, how do you know? Are you guessing or do you have proof? |
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Quoted: Anyone have any documentation on this? I'm not saying Walmart guns are seconds but they've cut deals with Federal and Winchester for promotional shotgun loads that no other entity can buy wholesale. Wouldn't be too far of a stretch to have weapons manufactured to "Walmart specs." For those saying they are the same, how do you know? Are you guessing or do you have proof? Well you can go to the firearms dept. And say your interested in "so and so" rifle but I don't see it on the shelf. Can I see your catalog? You would be surprised at how many different firearms manufactures products you can get. They just stock what is quick movers. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Anyone have any documentation on this? I'm not saying Walmart guns are seconds but they've cut deals with Federal and Winchester for promotional shotgun loads that no other entity can buy wholesale. Wouldn't be too far of a stretch to have weapons manufactured to "Walmart specs." For those saying they are the same, how do you know? Are you guessing or do you have proof? Well you can go to the firearms dept. And say your interested in "so and so" rifle but I don't see it on the shelf. Can I see your catalog? You would be surprised at how many different firearms manufactures products you can get. They just stock what is quick movers. Exactly they have damned near any boltgun you would want. |
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Quoted: I hear that always at the local gun shops. Its probaly told by them since they lose business. We tell them the truth, Wal-Mart buys in such volume, that we can not compete on price with the guns they carry in the store. Our cost on the Winchester M94 Ranger is the same or more than what they sell it for. Don't do business with a gunshop that lies.... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Anyone have any documentation on this? I'm not saying Walmart guns are seconds but they've cut deals with Federal and Winchester for promotional shotgun loads that no other entity can buy wholesale. Wouldn't be too far of a stretch to have weapons manufactured to "Walmart specs." For those saying they are the same, how do you know? Are you guessing or do you have proof? Well you can go to the firearms dept. And say your interested in "so and so" rifle but I don't see it on the shelf. Can I see your catalog? You would be surprised at how many different firearms manufactures products you can get. They just stock what is quick movers. True, but I'm moreso talking about the Weatherbys and Remington bolt actions. I doubt the Marlins and Rugers are different. |
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Quoted: Anyone have any documentation on this? I'm not saying Walmart guns are seconds but they've cut deals with Federal and Winchester for promotional shotgun loads that no other entity can buy wholesale. Wouldn't be too far of a stretch to have weapons manufactured to "Walmart specs." For those saying they are the same, how do you know? Are you guessing or do you have proof? i work there and have looked and dealt with the guns in the sporting goods department for 6 years. the only firearms i know of that were made to walmart specs are the stainless ruger 10/22 with the 22" barrel(only available at wal-mart) and the sam walton 1187(has his potrait on one side and his name engraved in gold on the other). and as you said they have gotten [red]promotional[/red] loads from winchester and remington not factory second loads[:)] |
| I have bought two guns at Wal-Mart...my Winchester model 70 in 30-06 and my Remington 870 12ga. Both have treated me quite well. My Model 70 now has a Leupold 3-9X40 and an HS Pre stock and shoots sub moa with factory ammo and the 870 has never let me down-its a bird blaster. I wouldn't hesitate buying something from them. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Anyone have any documentation on this? I'm not saying Walmart guns are seconds but they've cut deals with Federal and Winchester for promotional shotgun loads that no other entity can buy wholesale. Wouldn't be too far of a stretch to have weapons manufactured to "Walmart specs." For those saying they are the same, how do you know? Are you guessing or do you have proof? i work there and have looked and dealt with the guns in the sporting goods department for 6 years. the only firearms i know of that were made to walmart specs are the stainless ruger 10/22 with the 22" barrel(only available at wal-mart) and the sam walton 1187(has his potrait on one side and his name engraved in gold on the other). and as you said they have gotten [red]promotional[/red] loads from winchester and remington not factory second loads[:)] Not trying to split hairs but those promotional loads are available year round. They are a Walmart only promotion and as I said before not available to other outlets. Those promotional loads use cheaper components such as two piece pedastal wads, more than likely softer shot which deforms and doesn't fly as true causing erratic patterns and cheaper hulls which are only good for two reloads before they either split at the crimp or seperate at the base. I've not seen the same Weatherby rifles at any local FFL NIB that Walmart offers but I've not looked that hard either. Which Remington bolt rifles do they sell? I wonder what the price difference would be between an ordered firearm from Walmart and the same item from an independent FFL? |
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Quoted: I would rather do business with a small shop. You get to know the folks there, and support a local business. Now finding a "good" one is another story. The problem here is they arent any real good stores, alot of them have people who are asshole and dont know what they are talking about. They also want over 200 for 1022 and 15+ for the 9mm packs. |
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When Wal-Mart can buy 20,000 guns per manufacturer and joe gun dealer only buys 10 than there is your price difference. Same with ammo, just imagine how many rounds Wally World sells every year. Wal-Mart is so big it's mind boggleing how much they affect our economy. I read that Wal-Mart took in something like 276 million dollars in sales the day after Thanksgiving. That's ONE DAY! COZ |
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Some are, yes. They have enough pull to demand lower prices, and sometimes this involves lower quality. The trick is to look for model or variant numbers that aren't available elsewhere, or check spec lists for differences. The lesser quality is usually finish or options, not overall quality. Look at the specs on their "in stock" Marlin 336 versus what is available eolewhere, or even versus the other 336s they sell. The "in stock" model has lesser wood, cheaper wood finish, and other corner-cuts. The WalMart 10-22 is the same way. The Savage, Weatherby, etc would likely not be different; but it's easy enough to compare. They are NOT returns, seconds, etc; that's simply false. Larry |
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Here is my take on Walmart guns. I bought a 10/22 there because they had it $50 cheaper than my local gun store. However, it was a PITA to get the gun and to get somone who knew what they were doing. I will never buy a gun at walmart again, simply because the service at my local shp is woth the extra money. |
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Which Remington bolt rifles do they sell? I wonder what the price difference would be between an ordered firearm from Walmart and the same item from an independent FFL? remington bolt actions that wal-mart sells. the ones they keep inside the stores are the 700adl, black syn stock, matte barrel in 223, 22-250, 243, 270, 30-06, 7mm, 300 win model 700adl laminated stock, blued barrel. 270, 30-06, and 7mm(i think) model 710 in 270 or 30-06 in the special order book you can get BDLs, sendero, vls, etc.... honestly the special order prices aren't that great. they are about the same as local gun shops pricewise. and the selection is not that big. there are lots of guns in there, but not every one from each manufacturer. |
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Quoted: When Wal-Mart can buy 20,000 guns per manufacturer and joe gun dealer only buys 10 than there is your price difference. Same with ammo, just imagine how many rounds Wally World sells every year. Wal-Mart is so big it's mind boggleing how much they affect our economy. I read that Wal-Mart took in something like 276 million dollars in sales the day after Thanksgiving. That's ONE DAY! COZ I believe Walmart took in one billion dollars the day after Thanksgiving. |
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Like the Big-5 Winchesters - they are mechanically the same, different wood. If the model number is the same, it is the same, if it has a different number it is made for Wal-Mart and may have different characteristics. I would expect the differences are in the stocks. changing the machining for actions seems a little drastic. Although the numbers may be there. I hate to say but the BS factor at local guns shops is similar to that at hobby shops and automotive shops etc about WallyWorld. |
| I worked in one of the factories that were mentioned above. The Walmat guns were seperate runs. The actions were the same the components were not, stocks, triggers etc. The finish was also not as good. I don't know if all the firearm companies make seperate runs for Walmart but this one did. |
| I thought wal-mart has been selling less guns than they used too. At least thats what it looks like here localy where they used to have a full array of guns now they just have shotguns. but they maybe due to the dept manager. around here BI-Mart is the king of mass gun sales and good ammo deals. I have a friend that works thier and he has told me that the amount of gus they sell is amazing. I was thier 1 week before deer season BSing with him and while I was thier I watched him sell 3 guns at the same time. All of them bolt actions. |