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Quoted: God at work. Man's sins, poisons and negligence have nothing to do with any of that? [rolleyes] Lots of prayers going for that child. |
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Man that's tough. Here's what creeps me out: Are there two brains? Does the "second" brain have "consciousness" -- and what could it be conscious OF, given that it appears to have sensory black-out (no functioning eyes, ears, nose, mouth). If there is a brain, could / does it "feel" sensations felt by the other twin? How about sensations on its "face," etc. [[[[[SHUDDDER]]]] |
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Quoted: Quoted: God at work. Abso-positively. A perfect example of the need for prenatal testing and abortion on demand. |
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Quoted: Man that's tough. Here's what creeps me out: Are there two brains? The second head has partially formed organs, so the answer to your question is really "no". Hope the LA team can do it. Note something else: When you have an incredibly difficult, risky, and maybe even impossible operation, where do people come? Right, to the good ol' USA. Not to Canada or Britain, or France or any of these "socalized medical care is great!!!!!!1" places. HERE. We do it best, and we do it right. |
| This sounds cold, but who is going to pay for this? The child did nothing to deserve this. But health care dollars are short. There are hundreds of people that could benefit for the cost of this one operation. It seems not fair when I have to turn women away that need a hysterectomy to make their lives better but they work and make too much for medicaid. But they can spend millions of dollars for example on that Mexican girls heart. I am sorry, but this is not right. I finally got my lady on medicaid so she can have her operation Friday. She had to quit her job and use all her savings up to qualify. She had to suffer 6 additional months. The total cost is below $10,000 and I discounted my fees. Sorry for hijacking the thread and not using proper grammer but I am a little pissed and need to vent! |
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Quoted: It should be put to sleep, like a monstrosity in any other species would be. That is, unless you want to keep it for a roadside attraction. [b]Vee must create der Master Race und vee vill deeSTROY ANY imperfect subhumans to do it! Sieg heil Hannah!!![/b] [V] That ONE baby is NO different than ANY other twins conjoined at the head!!! That baby probably has perfectly normal reflexes and CNS reactions that any other newborn has and if the surgery is successful will probably grow up to be just as normal and well adjusted as any other babies joined at birth. What you just said is one of the most disgusting, repulsive, Mengelian things I have EVER seen on this board. A more perfect parrot of the infanticidal Peter Singers of the world who would kill ANY "imperfect" baby even a month after it's birth I have never found. How disgusting. [V] |
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Quoted: This sounds cold, but who is going to pay for this? From the article: Cure International, a Lemoyne, Pa.,-based charity that gives medical care to disabled children in developing countries, is paying for the surgery and follow-up care. Hannah_Reitsch It should be put to sleep, like a monstrosity in any other species would be. That is, unless you want to keep it for a roadside attraction. I'm with Mac on this one. That's one of the more fucked up things I've ever read on this board and you should be goddamned ashamed of yourself. There's a chance that post surgery this child will lead a healthy and full life with no ill effects, but shit, you'd take her out back and shoot it. Ignore the fact that modern medical science can fix the problem and make the child "whole". Either way it's still a child and deserves a shot at life. The only monstrosity in this thread so far has been your comment. Therefor by your own admission perhaps you should find a rope and sturdy beam. |
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WTF does this have to do with euthanasia and master races? You know, two heads is a bit more deviant than say curly hair or hare lip. People will notice! [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040204/capt.xwa10202041437.dominican_two_brains_xwa102.jpg[/img] Top One Sign You're Having a Bad Day: You're scheduled for head removal surgery. |
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Interesting...you all are more than ok with the "murder" of the second brain and head. Isn't the second head a "child" too? A possibly cogent brain? Also, there is no telling how conjoined the blood vessels in the "heads" may be until they actually start surgery. You may get a single headed vegetable for all your efforts. At any rate, the money and effort wasted on the "every life is precious" folly is ridiculous. Forget the heroics for the freaks, and put the effort to those who may very well be fixed. I imagine quite a few lesser birth defects could be repaired for the cost of the head removal. How many club foot or cleft palate repairs = one head removal and follow up? |
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Quoted: Interesting...you all are more than ok with the "murder" of the second brain and head. Isn't the second head a "child" too? A possibly cogent brain? Forget the heroics for the freaks, and put the effort to those who may very well be fixed. I imagine quite a few lesser birth defects could be repaired for the cost of the head removal. No, since it's not a fully developed organ. And you're not the one paying for it. If you're so worried about people with lesser problems, how much money have you put up for those with lesser defects. And I'm so glad we all voted you the arbiter of which children live and which die. Which camp did you run during the war? |
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Quoted: This sounds cold, but who is going to pay for this? The child did nothing to deserve this. But health care dollars are short. There are hundreds of people that could benefit for the cost of this one operation. It seems not fair when I have to turn women away that need a hysterectomy to make their lives better but they work and make too much for medicaid. But they can spend millions of dollars for example on that Mexican girls heart. I am sorry, but this is not right. I finally got my lady on medicaid so she can have her operation Friday. She had to quit her job and use all her savings up to qualify. She had to suffer 6 additional months. The total cost is below $10,000 and I discounted my fees. Sorry for hijacking the thread and not using proper grammer but I am a little pissed and need to vent! just fear posting it -- I have no such concerns. |
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Quoted: Interesting...you all are more than ok with the "murder" of the second brain and head. Isn't the second head a "child" too? A possibly cogent brain? Also, there is no telling how conjoined the blood vessels in the "heads" may be until they actually start surgery. You may get a single headed vegetable for all your efforts. At any rate, the money and effort wasted on the "every life is precious" folly is ridiculous. Forget the heroics for the freaks, and put the effort to those who may very well be fixed. I imagine quite a few lesser birth defects could be repaired for the cost of the head removal. [red]How many club foot or cleft palate repairs = one head removal and follow up[/red]? It is easy to see, where German National Socialist thinking comes from...... It is logical. Were this particular operation NOT Privately funded, you would have a valid arguement... Cost benefit ratio, of Human Life... [b]Oh! The joys of "Separation Of Church and State!![/b] [snoopy] |
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ewwwww- I wouldn't want it as mine.... I do get disgusted with the spending of serious tax money on kids with serious deformities or health issues, that will essentially remain wards of the state for their entire lives... 10 kids X $100,000 in health care cost each. And I don't even get a free trip to the dentist??? |
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Originally Posted By Hannah Reitsch: Interesting...you all are more than ok with the "murder" of the second brain and head. Isn't the second head a "child" too? A possibly cogent brain? I'm not surprised. You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between a newborn baby in need of medical care and a rabid dog who needs to be shot either. [rolleyes] Originally Posted By Hannah Reitsch: Also, there is no telling how conjoined the blood vessels in the "heads" may be until they actually start surgery. You may get a single headed vegetable for all your efforts. Originally Posted By Hannah Reitsch: At any rate, the money and effort wasted on the "every life is precious" folly is ridiculous. Forget the heroics for the freaks, and put the effort to those who may very well be fixed. [red]I imagine quite a few lesser birth defects could be repaired for the cost of the head removal.[/red] Why "waste" the money on fixing "ANY" birth defects? Since not every life is precious, only the ones with perfectly-formed bodies, then just let ALL birth defects go untreated and save that money for more worthy causes, likes more Lugers to pump more bullets into more defective children's brains! Originally Posted By Hannah Reitsch: How many club foot or cleft palate repairs = one head removal and follow up? How many guns are you gonna sell to treat those club-foot kids you're so worried about [b]Hannah[/b]? |
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Quoted: I do get disgusted with the spending of serious tax money on kids with serious deformities or health issues, that will essentially remain wards of the state for their entire lives... Except this little adventure is privately funded. Both operation and follow up care. |
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An interesting technical procedure.I would expect that nurosurgeons drool for this kind of challenge.It would require a good hand and up to date technique.Is the"other head"a person?No I would say"extranious growth"is more like it."It"(things without bodies are an it) could allways be kept alive in a jar where I am sure that it would lead a full and interesting life as a living tumor.Can you hear me now?Are you glad we saved you?Are you warm?.....Get real. you remove the growth.The child is saved.Life is good for a mostly normal child after the operation. |
| Why dont we use this "private funds" to help those in this country? I can give address to at least ten kids in my practice that need surgery of some sort. American kids. Some of it is cosmetic and some not. Why cant we help those here? How come Only Hits Count cant go to the dentist? The miss use of resources is just nuts. |
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Quoted: An interesting technical procedure.I would expect that nurosurgeons drool for this kind of challenge.It would require a good hand and up to date technique.Is the"other head"a person?No I would say"extranious growth"is more like it."It"(things without bodies are an it) could allways be kept alive in a jar where I am sure that it would lead a full and interesting life as a living tumor.Can you hear me now?Are you glad we saved you?Are you warm?.....Get real. So then you are ok with abortion to say a 1 - 2 month old fetus? |
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Quoted: Quoted: I do get disgusted with the spending of serious tax money on kids with serious deformities or health issues, that will essentially remain wards of the state for their entire lives... Except this little adventure is privately funded. Both operation and follow up care. I saw that- I didn't sat [b]this[/b] child. How many millions of dollars are pissed away on these 3rd world freak children?? The docs seem to be attention/media whores. Where are they when the kids here need basic medical care?? Simple info on diabetes and the dangers of obesity??? They're about as 'concerned' as lawyers are. Then there's the incestous relationship with the pharmacutical companies..... |
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Quoted: The docs seem to be attention/media whores. Where are they when the kids here need basic medical care?? Simple info on diabetes and the dangers of obesity??? They're about as 'concerned' as lawyers are. |
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Quoted: Quoted: The docs seem to be attention/media whores. Where are they when the kids here need basic medical care?? Simple info on diabetes and the dangers of obesity??? They're about as 'concerned' as lawyers are. Which again begs the question- why not help the American kids first???? Just like foreign aid/welfare. People here need help- they should get the benefit of U.S. tax dollars first. We can piss away billions of dollars on assholes that hate us-- but I still can't afford insurance right now- where's my trip to the dentist???? |
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There are several valid points made here, as well as some purely emotional. Are we facing a "freak" of development? I would say yes. Should we kill or abort arbitrarily based on deformations? I don't believe so. However, extreme deformities I would agree with aborting. This is not a case of a cleft palate or even spinabifida. This is an extreme deformity which precludes any chance of normal life for either offspring. I see people posting about the beautiful girl and the other thing. But those individuals fail to see that perhaps there is a concious being contained within that lump. OK, kill the lump and keep the relatively normal kid. Sounds like in China where baby girls were killed because of state imposed limits on offspring and they wanted a boy. As to payment. I agree with Mac. Too many are wanting to help the poor starving people in Africa yet don't see what is on their own door step. We need to take care of our own first. And before anyone asks if I have contributed, I have. I regularly donate to local charities and funds designed to help those here in the US as well as working at "Operation Stand Down" which is an annual effort to assist homeless vets providing them with medical, dental care bathing, haircuts, clothing, shelter and attempts at obtaining employment for them. I have worked with the red cross teaching swimming to handicapped children and worked with special olympics. But what I don't see is these liberal organizations that always run to these third world countries looking to help those on their own doorstep. |
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Quoted: It should be put to sleep, like a monstrosity in any other species would be. That is, unless you want to keep it for a roadside attraction. Hannah Reitsch...wasn't that the name of a famous female Nazi? I think she was a pilot. I hope you don't follow them. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The docs seem to be attention/media whores. Where are they when the kids here need basic medical care?? Simple info on diabetes and the dangers of obesity??? They're about as 'concerned' as lawyers are. So they go to Africa and Asia to repair cleft palates on kids where they won't be sued for all they got if something goes wrong or if it's not done PERFECTLY. |
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To you, killing babies is the most important thing in the world, isn't it, Helio? "Oh no, that baby might not have a wonderful life! Kill it so it doesn't suffer!" Obviously these parents didn't want an abortion, so why even mention it? Is your mind that sick? This is a healthy, normal, special human being with a growth that will be removed. She will grow up to be a healthy, normal, special person with skills and gifts given by God, and will just happen to have a scarred head. Big deal! And to the rest of you who think that this child is a monster who should be "put to sleep": STFU! At least this child ACTUALLY HAS A BRAIN! |
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Wonder how many of you would adopt a baby with a serious deformaty like this? I'm sure there are plenty of them living in orphanages all over the world that could use some of the love you seem to have. I think this is a very sad thing for the child. I hope that it is successful. I bet the reason you see so much of this in other countries is because they don't have check-ups throughout the pregnancy. I bet in the USA the vast majority of serious deformaties like this child are aborted early in the pregnancy which is nobodys business but the doctors and the parents. The saddest I have seen lately that absolutely broke my heart is the disease that hits little kids that makes them age and they look really old and die at a young age of old people type of illnesses. I can't remember the name of the disease (I found it "PROGERIA")it was on discovery health channel last week. I will be donating to the foundation that helps those kids and has an annual party for them in Florida. "Sunshine Foundation, Dream Village" COZ |
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From the article: "Tests indicate some activity in her second brain." Would this indicate that the other head is a sentient human? I think it would be wrong terminate it's existance just because it doesn't look right. Isn't there a two headed kid in Ohio? I saw a Discovery channel program on her. |
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A) I don't see any of you emotional bleeding hearts rushing to adopt or offer financial support for these children. B) If it/she can survive on it's own and function normally- it will. If it can't- nature decrees that it won't survive. Nature doesn't make decisions based on feel good emotions. So what was god's 'purpose' in this birth???? |
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Quoted: Look at the photo carefully, without seeing the extra "head"...... What a beautiful child...[^] What a BLESSING, this surgery will be for her, and those who love her.....[0:)] Amen, Dude. May all of Gods blessings and love follow that little one. There is a cop in Alabama who will pray for her tonight... and thank HIM for not placing that challenge in my daughter's life. There should be a caution on this thread: "Heartbreak Possible (if you have one)." |
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Quoted: Look at the photo carefully, without seeing the extra "head"...... What a beautiful child...[^] What a BLESSING, this surgery will be for her, and those who love her.....[0:)] I agree with liberty, and I am praying that this can be taken care of... Hannah used to have a picture of the gate to Auschwitz as her avatar, her comments don't suprise me [V] Where is the Hun when you need his commentary? |
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Quoted: To you, killing babies is the most important thing in the world, isn't it, Helio? "Oh no, that baby might not have a wonderful life! Kill it so it doesn't suffer!" Obviously these parents didn't want an abortion, so why even mention it? Is your mind that sick? This is a healthy, normal, special human being with a growth that will be removed. She will grow up to be a healthy, normal, special person with skills and gifts given by God, and will just happen to have a scarred head. Big deal! And to the rest of you who think that this child is a monster who should be "put to sleep": STFU! At least this child [red]ACTUALLY HAS A BRAIN![/red] um..Two of em... [:D] And Hanna, I have to throw in my 2 cents. Board rules say we can't call names. The names I have for you wouldn't come out of a Christian mans mouth anyway. So, let me say this, I am ashamed you are even on this board. Your opinion about this little child is truly appalling. And your little poster, you ma'am (and I use that term loosely), are a master of nothing, save your own stupidity and ignorance.... |
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Hopefully they can seperate the "growth" from the normal part of the body. That child deserves a chance to live is there is a chance. For those wanting to blame God [i][for everything wrong in their life]....[/i] [red]1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. NIV[/red] Funny, no one ever wants to blame satan. |