[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Was I wrong? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/30/2011 4:19:31 PM EDT
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Was talking with my brother in law at his house the whole family was there including my 4 and 2 year old boys. There were about 8 of us including my boys. They were playing about 10 yards away. Someone mentioned how they are already tired of this coming election. They were complaining how the GOP doesn't have any good candidates and how we are destined to have another 4 years of obama. I jumped in and said anyone could beat obama right now. Then it got heated between my bro-in-law and me. We had our voices raised and I went on about how he hasn't done anything for the good of the country in his time in office. I also said that everything he has done has only hurt this country. Bro-in-law gets agitated and I see it, he starts spouting off about how BO passed health care and cut taxes. I then said those are not things that have helped this country. (I believe in lower taxes, but the payroll tax cut is just a smoke screen, IMO) I tell him to name anything else that BO has done for the country....he says I don't know. I say its because he hasn't, he has broken nearly every promise that he made. Guantanamo is still open, we are way passed the promised departure in Iraq and how his health care has only driven up prices and caused businesses to wait to hire new workers. He says something like "Do you want me to go get my laptop and look it up?" I of course say, Yes. With his voice now cracking saying something about you are in my house and expelling expletives in front of my young boys, he stands up and is clearly very upset. He grabs a glass cup off the counter and throws it in a hissy fit. Storms off slams the door behind him and I guess goes and crys in his room. Now I have dealt with libtards plenty of times and this is usually how they react when they can't get out of an argument where I am right and they are wrong. I never once cussed or became violent and remained calm the entire time. After the fact I found out that the glass he threw hit a family member. He has had one other episode similar to this but didn't become violent. Remember everyone was within 10 yards of each other, including my kids. I am thinking he is not welcome in my house and my kids will not be visiting when he is at his house. I am going to keep my family away from him as I don't trust him. He is two-faced also, he goes on and on about how is "not a fan of BO" and how he didn't vote for BO in the last election. Yet, he always first to defend BO. I just don't trust him. So what say you? Was I wrong to keep pushing his buttons even though he kept willingly going? I had no idea that he would react this way. He always thinks he knows it all and thinks he can handle himself in a debate. Am I wrong to pretty much keep him out of my kids lives? Should I just let him settle down and hope he sees how poorly he reacted? Thanks for reading. |
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Was I wrong to keep pushing his buttons even though he kept willingly going? Yes. Although I'd say you're both wrong for arguing politics, especially in front of small children. Agree to disagree, and don't bring the subject up. If that's not possible, then eject. |
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Quoted: Yes you are wrong––typing anything that long and expecting us to read through it is just foolish.   lol, sad part is I tried to keep it short and left out some of his idiotic ideas. One was he said, "I didn't vote for BO, I voted for McCain." I then asked him "Why do you defend BO then? Is it because he is your boss?" (he is TSA) lol |
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Where you went wrong was not packing your kids up immediately after he threw a glass. The man has proven he's violent and cannot control his temper. Punching a wall or something similar only hurts oneself, throwing shit can hurt people. I wouldn't go near him again.
Other than that, he now has a 1% higher chance of realizing he owns the tard in libtard than he did before you arrived, so good on you for that. |
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The people who drank zero's kool aid become very, very enraged when you confront them with facts and logic.
This shows the profound level of cognitive dissonance which they suffer from. They KNOW he is a failure, and they can't stand admitting they were wrong. In order to protect their egos, they must attack iron clad facts with emotional outbursts. And quite often, they attack the messenger too. Sorry you found this out the hard way. |
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Quoted: We did, the kids were gone before he was done crying. If I had known he hit someone with the glass, I am pretty sure I would have chased him down. Where you went wrong was not packing your kids up immediately after he threw a glass. The man has proven he's violent and cannot control his temper. Punching a wall or something similar only hurts oneself, throwing shit can hurt people. I wouldn't go near him again. Other than that, he now has a 1% higher chance of realizing he owns the tard in libtard than he did before you arrived, so good on you for that. To the other guys, I wasn't being an asshole, but I did notice it was pushing his buttons. He wouldn't let it go and kept me in the discussion, so I figured maybe we can see his true colors. Just didn't expect him to get violent. Said he had a bad day at work after it was all over, so I guess he didn't get to molest enough people at the airport security line. lol |
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Good job OP . IF he can't take the heat he shouldn't talk about politics. You are a great American for challenging his bullshit and putting him down like a sick dog. When they react that way (pretty common in my experience) it fortifies your point to everyone listening. The country will be won or lost in debates like these . You are doing your part. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. if he wants to debate let him have it. As for your kids, I wouldn't leave them there with him alone since he has shown irrational violence but I wouldn't ban him or ban your family from being around him altogether. Just be there when it happens so you can keep an eye on him after you continuously make a fool of him. He will learn to shut his trap about politics eventually. |
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love the "he cut taxes" argument. Yeah..he did...to the ONLY FUCKING THING THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO A SERVICE. He literally cut medicare and social security funding...when they're both already underfunded. How fucked up is that? (don't get me going on how the reps went along with it...). No...you weren't wrong. He's a fucking moron and the reason we're heading in the direction we're heading. I bet he comes back with http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ that shit, though. |
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Was talking with my brother in law at his house the whole family was there including my 4 and 2 year old boys. There were about 8 of us including my boys. They were playing about 10 yards away. Someone mentioned how they are already tired of this coming election. They were complaining how the GOP doesn't have any good candidates and how we are destined to have another 4 years of obama. I jumped in and said anyone could beat obama right now. Then it got heated between my bro-in-law and me. We had our voices raised and I went on about how he hasn't done anything for the good of the country in his time in office. I also said that everything he has done has only hurt this country. Bro-in-law gets agitated and I see it, he starts spouting off about how BO passed health care and cut taxes. I then said those are not things that have helped this country. (I believe in lower taxes, but the payroll tax cut is just a smoke screen, IMO) I tell him to name anything else that BO has done for the country....he says I don't know. I say its because he hasn't, he has broken nearly every promise that he made. Guantanamo is still open, we are way passed the promised departure in Iraq and how his health care has only driven up prices and caused businesses to wait to hire new workers. He says something like "Do you want me to go get my laptop and look it up?" I of course say, Yes. With his voice now cracking saying something about you are in my house and expelling expletives in front of my young boys, he stands up and is clearly very upset. He grabs a glass cup off the counter and throws it in a hissy fit. Storms off slams the door behind him and I guess goes and crys in his room. Now I have dealt with libtards plenty of times and this is usually how they react when they can't get out of an argument where I am right and they are wrong. I never once cussed or became violent and remained calm the entire time. After the fact I found out that the glass he threw hit a family member. He has had one other episode similar to this but didn't become violent. Remember everyone was within 10 yards of each other, including my kids. I am thinking he is not welcome in my house and my kids will not be visiting when he is at his house. I am going to keep my family away from him as I don't trust him. He is two-faced also, he goes on and on about how is "not a fan of BO" and how he didn't vote for BO in the last election. Yet, he always first to defend BO. I just don't trust him. So what say you? Was I wrong to keep pushing his buttons even though he kept willingly going? I had no idea that he would react this way. He always thinks he knows it all and thinks he can handle himself in a debate. Am I wrong to pretty much keep him out of my kids lives? Should I just let him settle down and hope he sees how poorly he reacted? Thanks for reading. Avoiding politics and religion in discussion with family and friends and its almost a guaranteed recipe for success. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Avoiding politics and religion in discussion with family and friends and its almost a guaranteed recipe for success. Usually how it goes, no discussion about politics around him. These were my parents and the last time he had an outburst was when my wifes parents were here and were talking about religion. This guy can dish it out but cannot take it. He is a D-Bag. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Was talking with my brother in law at his house the whole family was there including my 4 and 2 year old boys. There were about 8 of us including my boys. They were playing about 10 yards away. Someone mentioned how they are already tired of this coming election. They were complaining how the GOP doesn't have any good candidates and how we are destined to have another 4 years of obama. I jumped in and said anyone could beat obama right now. Then it got heated between my bro-in-law and me. We had our voices raised and I went on about how he hasn't done anything for the good of the country in his time in office. I also said that everything he has done has only hurt this country. Bro-in-law gets agitated and I see it, he starts spouting off about how BO passed health care and cut taxes. I then said those are not things that have helped this country. (I believe in lower taxes, but the payroll tax cut is just a smoke screen, IMO) I tell him to name anything else that BO has done for the country....he says I don't know. I say its because he hasn't, he has broken nearly every promise that he made. Guantanamo is still open, we are way passed the promised departure in Iraq and how his health care has only driven up prices and caused businesses to wait to hire new workers. He says something like "Do you want me to go get my laptop and look it up?" I of course say, Yes. With his voice now cracking saying something about you are in my house and expelling expletives in front of my young boys, he stands up and is clearly very upset. He grabs a glass cup off the counter and throws it in a hissy fit. Storms off slams the door behind him and I guess goes and crys in his room. Now I have dealt with libtards plenty of times and this is usually how they react when they can't get out of an argument where I am right and they are wrong. I never once cussed or became violent and remained calm the entire time. After the fact I found out that the glass he threw hit a family member. He has had one other episode similar to this but didn't become violent. Remember everyone was within 10 yards of each other, including my kids. I am thinking he is not welcome in my house and my kids will not be visiting when he is at his house. I am going to keep my family away from him as I don't trust him. He is two-faced also, he goes on and on about how is "not a fan of BO" and how he didn't vote for BO in the last election. Yet, he always first to defend BO. I just don't trust him. So what say you? Was I wrong to keep pushing his buttons even though he kept willingly going? I had no idea that he would react this way. He always thinks he knows it all and thinks he can handle himself in a debate. Am I wrong to pretty much keep him out of my kids lives? Should I just let him settle down and hope he sees how poorly he reacted? Thanks for reading. Avoiding politics and religion in discussion with family and friends and its almost a guaranteed recipe for success. I agree. Except I used to do it to my one BIL for shits and giggles...he's actually turned (with the help of one of his friends as well....). So some good CAN come...it's just ugly along the way... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Avoiding politics and religion in discussion with family and friends and its almost a guaranteed recipe for success. I agree. Except I used to do it to my one BIL for shits and giggles...he's actually turned (with the help of one of his friends as well....). So some good CAN come...it's just ugly along the way... Gotta say I had a damn big smile on my face the rest of the day.  |
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So, you were right AND you caused family tension.
Congrats, I guess. Sometimes being an adult means listening to idiots and nodding along. It tends to allow one to keep the peace. Keeping the peace lets adults keep jobs, wives, friends, customers and other relationships. |
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Quoted: Everyone has their breaking point I guess. I have been nodding along for quite sometime, this idiot's true colors needed to be seen.So, you were right AND you caused family tension. Congrats, I guess. Sometimes being an adult means listening to idiots and nodding along. It tends to allow one to keep the peace. Keeping the peace lets adults keep jobs, wives, friends, customers and other relationships. |
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So, you were right AND you caused family tension. Congrats, I guess. Sometimes being an adult means listening to idiots and nodding along. It tends to allow one to keep the peace. Keeping the peace lets adults keep jobs, wives, friends, customers and other relationships. Yep I pretty much don't cause any tension except on a handfull of issues. It is like that with my girlfriend too, I pretty much go with whatever. Except when it comes to those handful of issues and then there is no chance of me backing down or changing my opinion. |
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Quoted: My brother is welcome in my house, although his wife isn't, for much the same reasons as you post in the OP. Really don't want it to come to that, but will. FYI I was the bigger man and went back to apologize for bothering him in his house. Still haven't received an apology back and don't expect I will. He probably thinks he won since I apologized. lol self-centered prick. |
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Quoted: Quoted: So, you were right AND you caused family tension. Congrats, I guess. Sometimes being an adult means listening to idiots and nodding along. It tends to allow one to keep the peace. Keeping the peace lets adults keep jobs, wives, friends, customers and other relationships. Yep I pretty much don't cause any tension except on a handfull of issues. It is like that with my girlfriend too, I pretty much go with whatever. Except when it comes to those handful of issues and then there is no chance of me backing down or changing my opinion. I have nodded along on his stance on gun grabbing and other issues that I have major problems with. It was bound to come to fruition eventually. |
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Yeah, don't even try to use logic with a liberal. Ain't gonna happen. Christmas morning my dad was telling me and my brother and our SOs (every single one of us there including Mom are either conservative or libertarian) that we need to convince our liberal friends not to vote for Obama again. I told him that I don't even have any liberal friends but when I did, I already converted them years ago, but that wasn't easy either. |
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Quoted: So, you were right AND you caused family tension. Congrats, I guess. Sometimes being an adult means listening to idiots and nodding along. It tends to allow one to keep the peace. Keeping the peace lets adults keep jobs, wives, friends, customers and other relationships. For me freedom is more important than keeping the peace with someone in the family. My aunt voted for Obama in 08 (she lives in cali) and the family has been beating her down over it ever since. SHe realized how wrong she was after Obamacare was passed and damn near everything I told her about the guy and the economy had come true. If we had left her alone to keep the peace she would still be a fucking moron. Now she is on our side and there isn't a liberal left in the family tree on my side or my wifes side. |
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Don't go at them directly as they will put up defensive barriers. Set the ground work and work the logic in a circle connecting the dots as you go along. They will find themselves questioning their conclusions as they had previously agreed to all of the connected dots. For example on the tax cut issue. You ask him what he thinks of Social Security and should the government continue to fund it and then point out how Obama's so called "tax cut" is cutting the funding for Social Security. Then watch his head explode.
Attacking liberals head on is the wrong approach. You must corrupt their thought process and then go in for the kill. |
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IMO your views are correct but you handled it the wrong way. Now your FAMILY life is compromised because you wanted to make a point or two. The better technique is to try to win relatives like that over time. An issue here, a conversation or well-made point there. Eventually you can win them over. Or not. But now your family relations are in jeopardy over that conversation / confrontation. That is not worth it to me. YMMV- 4073 |
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So, you were right AND you caused family tension. Congrats, I guess. Sometimes being an adult means listening to idiots and nodding along. It tends to allow one to keep the peace. Keeping the peace lets adults keep jobs, wives, friends, customers and other relationships. For me freedom is more important than keeping the peace with someone in the family. My aunt voted for Obama in 08 (she lives in cali) and the family has been beating her down over it ever since. SHe realized how wrong she was after Obamacare was passed and damn near everything I told her about the guy and the economy had come true. If we had left her alone to keep the peace she would still be a fucking moron. Now she is on our side and there isn't a liberal left in the family tree on my side or my wifes side. I understand your point. There's a time and place for these things though. Agitating the guy to the point of yelling and throwing shit is not a productive discussion. I would wager that the BIL hasn't changed his viewpoints one iota. He'll also be less receptive to any future discussions. Shit like this sucks when it's family. It can cause rifts that will affect future family events. It's just not worth it IMO. |
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So, you were right AND you caused family tension. Congrats, I guess. Sometimes being an adult means listening to idiots and nodding along. It tends to allow one to keep the peace. Keeping the peace lets adults keep jobs, wives, friends, customers and other relationships. And that right there boys and girls, is what's wrong with America. A fucking idiot needs to be called an idiot, period. |
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So is this your wife's brother, her sister's husband or your sister's husband? My sisters husband. No I dont have any pics of her. Actually, I was considering what would be easier to deal with pissing off a sister or a wife, but pics of attractive women is always a plus. (Hey, you brought it up.  )
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So is this your wife's brother, her sister's husband or your sister's husband? My sisters husband. No I dont have any pics of her. Actually, I was considering what would be easier to deal with pissing off a sister or a wife, but pics of attractive women is always a plus. (Hey, you brought it up. )lol, I have read enough posts in GD to know the rules. But I just don't have any pics of her. lol BTW my wife is totally on my side on this. |
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Now I have dealt with libtards plenty of times and this is usually how they react when they can't get out of an argument where I am right and they are wrong. I never once cussed or became violent and remained calm the entire time. After the fact I found out that the glass he threw hit a family member. He has had one other episode similar to this but didn't become violent. Remember everyone was within 10 yards of each other, including my kids. I am thinking he is not welcome in my house and my kids will not be visiting when he is at his house. I am going to keep my family away from him as I don't trust him. He is two-faced also, he goes on and on about how is "not a fan of BO" and how he didn't vote for BO in the last election. Yet, he always first to defend BO. I just don't trust him. So what say you? Was I wrong to keep pushing his buttons even though he kept willingly going? I had no idea that he would react this way. He always thinks he knows it all and thinks he can handle himself in a debate. Am I wrong to pretty much keep him out of my kids lives? Should I just let him settle down and hope he sees how poorly he reacted? Thanks for reading. Yes. You were a guest. Next time talk about anything but politics, sex, or religion. |