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10/13/2007 11:13:30 PM EDT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibSwITK4jjQ&mode=related&search=


Six figure settlement for that?  Absurd.

As far as I'm concerned, the officer was too nice.
10/13/2007 11:15:26 PM EDT
[#1]
major overreaction on the 'professionals' part.
10/13/2007 11:16:45 PM EDT
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How much you want to bet he wouldn't have gone that nuts if she was white?

She should have called 911 to link to dispatch to verify the officer.

10/13/2007 11:19:04 PM EDT
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How much you want to bet he wouldn't have gone that nuts if she was white?



She wasn't white?  It's hard to tell in the video.
10/13/2007 11:19:22 PM EDT
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I dont think it was "brutality" and i certainly dont think that it was excessive in the context that were given. there may be more to the story than we see in 1:20 though...
10/13/2007 11:20:13 PM EDT
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major overreaction on the 'professionals' part.
It would be for any routine stop, but she did run from him for eight miles.  

*shrugs*
10/13/2007 11:21:24 PM EDT
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major overreaction on the 'professionals' part.
It would be for any routine stop, but she did run from him for eight miles.  

*shrugs*


she didnt pull over.

she didnt 'run'.
10/13/2007 11:23:10 PM EDT
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major overreaction on the 'professionals' part.
It would be for any routine stop, but she did run from him for eight miles.  

*shrugs*


Which is why I will never be a LEO.

I could build up an insane resentment in 8 miles of high speed chasin.
10/13/2007 11:23:27 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?
10/13/2007 11:24:51 PM EDT
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major overreaction on the 'professionals' part.
It would be for any routine stop, but she did run from him for eight miles.  

*shrugs*


she didnt pull over.

she didnt 'run'.


The video didn't mention whether she continued speeding while trying to find a safe/secure place to pull over.  It also didn't mention if she gave any sort of signal to the officer that she was going to find a safe place to pull over.  Indeed, his jurisdiction may not be aware people routinely do prefer to find a safe, populated area to pull over.  Those who fired him seemed to think he was in the wrong enough to fire him though.
10/13/2007 11:26:47 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?
That sums up my feelings perfectly.
10/13/2007 11:27:47 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibSwITK4jjQ&mode=related&search=
10/13/2007 11:30:09 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibSwITK4jjQ&mode=related&search=


That is just a link to the original video. I'm looking for an example of brutality.
10/13/2007 11:30:19 PM EDT
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Overreaction and a lack of professionalism maybe, but not brutality.
10/13/2007 11:31:17 PM EDT
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major overreaction on the 'professionals' part.
It would be for any routine stop, but she did run from him for eight miles.  

*shrugs*


she didnt pull over.

she didnt 'run'.


The video didn't mention whether she continued speeding while trying to find a safe/secure place to pull over.  It also didn't mention if she gave any sort of signal to the officer that she was going to find a safe place to pull over.  Indeed, his jurisdiction may not be aware people routinely do prefer to find a safe, populated area to pull over.  Those who fired him seemed to think he was in the wrong enough to fire him though.
Did they fire him or just pay the settlement?
10/13/2007 11:31:33 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?


So did the cop fuck up in the least?
10/13/2007 11:33:03 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?


So did the cop fuck up in the least?
Yeah, he didn't hit her with the OC spray.
10/13/2007 11:35:07 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?


So did the cop fuck up in the least?


I'm working off a laptop without sound right now, so I didnt hear any of the audio that goes along with the footage. I know it is an old encounter and dont recall the specifics of the incident though. Just looking at the video, I think the officer (looks to be a trooper) was wrong when he pulled out the OC. Also, I dont know if I would have proned the driver out right there beside the vehicle in a travel lane of the interstate
10/13/2007 11:37:45 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?


So did the cop fuck up in the least?


I'm working off a laptop without sound right now, so I didnt hear any of the audio that goes along with the footage. I know it is an old encounter and dont recall the specifics of the incident though. Just looking at the video, I think the officer (looks to be a trooper) was wrong when he pulled out the OC. Also, I dont know if I would have proned the driver out right there beside the vehicle in a travel lane of the interstate
Screaming like an idiot and stepping into the highway probably didn't help him much in court, but the most obvious mistake seemed to be the fact that he practically invited her to try to snatch his pistol when he yanked the door open and leaned in with it.
10/13/2007 11:39:45 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibSwITK4jjQ&mode=related&search=


That is just a link to the original video. I'm looking for an example of brutality.


If you'd only click the link to the video, you'd see it in droves. You'd see a trooper doing his best "Full Metal Jacket" DI impression while drawing down on a nursing student who was speeding. SPEEDING! SHE'S NOT A SERIAL KILLER OR A KID FUCKER!

She was afraid to stop because she wasn't sure the guy was a real officer. His behavior on tape probably reinforced her prior concerns.

That shit is just not appropriate for speeding. In fact, it isn't appropriate for anything short of violent crime.  The two criminals in that video both got what they deserve. The lady got a ticket for speeding and a fat settlement, and the perpetrator of the aggravated assault got fired.
10/13/2007 11:39:59 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?


So did the cop fuck up in the least?
Yeah, he didn't hit her with the OC spray.


I hope you are just a troll, and not a real cop.
10/13/2007 11:41:32 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?


So did the cop fuck up in the least?
Yeah, he didn't hit her with the OC spray.


I hope you are just a troll, and not a real cop.
Part troll, part GD whore.


Why would you think I'm a cop?
10/13/2007 11:46:56 PM EDT
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If you'd only click the link to the video, you'd see it in droves.



Watched the video and didnt see it.







That shit is just not appropriate for speeding. In fact, it isn't appropriate for anything short of violent crime.


This comment isnt a surprise coming from you. If an officer initiates a stop on a vehicle and then has to follow/chase the suspect for 8 miles, I'd expect the officer to extract the driver once the vehicle came to a stop.

10/13/2007 11:48:24 PM EDT
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Where is the link to the brutality?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibSwITK4jjQ&mode=related&search=


That is just a link to the original video. I'm looking for an example of brutality.


If you'd only click the link to the video, you'd see it in droves. You'd see a trooper doing his best "Full Metal Jacket" DI impression while drawing down on a nursing student who was speeding. SPEEDING! SHE'S NOT A SERIAL KILLER OR A KID FUCKER!

She was afraid to stop because she wasn't sure the guy was a real officer. His behavior on tape probably reinforced her prior concerns.

That shit is just not appropriate for speeding. In fact, it isn't appropriate for anything short of violent crime.  The two criminals in that video both got what they deserve. The lady got a ticket for speeding and a fat settlement, and the perpetrator of the aggravated assault got fired.
How was he supposed to know she was a nursing student who was only speeding? Failure to stop is usually not a sign of good intentions. More than one bad guy has used those few minutes to get himself ready to ambush the cop.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that he was in a fully marked police cruiser when he attempted to pull her over.

Frankly, I don't buy the story that she didn't think he was a real cop. He pulled her over on the side of a busy highway in broad daylight.
10/13/2007 11:49:07 PM EDT
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im thinking the pos leo will sue dunkin donuts for too much sugar on his doughnuts

what a dumbass he overeacted to say the least
10/13/2007 11:52:53 PM EDT
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was he in a marked patrol car? If so I don't see her complaint having any ground at all.
10/13/2007 11:53:43 PM EDT
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How was he supposed to know she was a nursing student who was only speeding? Failure to stop is usually not a sign of good intentions. More than one bad guy has used those few minutes to get himself ready to ambush the cop.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that he was in a fully marked police cruiser when he attempted to pull her over.

Frankly, I don't buy the story that she didn't think he was a real cop. He pulled her over on the side of a busy highway in broad daylight.
I agree on all counts.  

To me, the part that really stands out is that fact that he had to chase her for eight miles.  What was her motivation for not stopping?  Maybe she's wanted?  Maybe she was trying to hide something?  Maybe she's armed?  


I'm going to hop on google and see if I can find anything else...





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im thinking the pos leo will sue dunkin donuts for too much sugar on his doughnuts

what a dumbass he overeacted to say the least
Good Lord!  Isn't it past your bedtime?
10/13/2007 11:55:34 PM EDT
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Watched the video and didnt see it.


Take off the thick blue goggles.



If an officer initiates a stop on a vehicle and then has to follow/chase the suspect for 8 miles, I'd expect the officer to extract the driver once the vehicle came to a stop.


I'd expect him to act professionally. Drawing down, contiuously screaming (losing it, actually) and forcing her to the ground is excessive (to say the least) for minor traffic violation.

I'm not sure about that state, but in many places you are allowed to continue driving until you feel safe pulling over if you think the person is not a real cop. That guy sure didn't act like one. And guess what? He's NOT a cop. If he was, he'd still have a job.

Good on the REAL police officers that fired that guy. They did a great job. They probably didn't even draw down on him or take him to the ground when they fired him, either.
10/14/2007 12:01:37 AM EDT
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If I remember right,

They guy/state lost the case not because of what happened on this little snippet.

But because of the 5-10 minutes of tape before this.

While he was cussing up a storm about about having to follow a person not pulling over.
10/14/2007 12:03:23 AM EDT
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Watched the video and didnt see it.


Take off the thick blue goggles.



If an officer initiates a stop on a vehicle and then has to follow/chase the suspect for 8 miles, I'd expect the officer to extract the driver once the vehicle came to a stop.


I'd expect him to act professionally. Drawing down, contiuously screaming (losing it, actually) and forcing her to the ground is excessive (to say the least) for minor traffic violation.

I'm not sure about that state, but in many places you are allowed to continue driving until you feel safe pulling over if you think the person is not a real cop. That guy sure didn't act like one. And guess what? He's NOT a cop. If he was, he'd still have a job.

Good on the REAL police officers that fired that guy. They did a great job. They probably didn't even draw down on him or take him to the ground when they fired him, either.


Timothy McVeigh was stoped for a minor traffic violation.  The point is, when you hit the red and blues behind someone you DONT KNOW who you are pulling over.  It could be mom and the kids on the way to the soccer game or it could be the latest escapee from prison.

Was he the most professional officer I have ever seen? No.
Did he do things wrong? Yes
Was that brutality?  Hardly.

To address the "I didn't know it was a cop and didn't feel safe" bullshit.  
It was 1:30 in the afternoon on an interstate...I could maybe buy it at 1:30 in the morning if nobody was around.

*ETA* Just watched it again, I counted no less than 17 cars that drove by just in the chopped up clip.  Really desolate eh?
10/14/2007 12:04:36 AM EDT
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Take off the thick blue goggles.



hahahahaha



Drawing down ...snip...and forcing her to the ground is excessive (to say the least) for minor traffic violation.
 




I'm not sure about that state, but in many places you are allowed to continue driving until you feel safe pulling over if you think the person is not a real cop.


And the caveat to that is; you must slow down and give indication (typically by turning on your hazard lights) that you see the vehicle behind you. If you fail to do so and continue on for 8 miles with an actual cop behind you, dont be surprised when you get pulled out of the vehicle.
10/14/2007 12:04:39 AM EDT
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If I remember right,

They guy/state lost the case not because of what happened on this little snippet.

But because of the 5-10 minutes of tape before this.

While he was cussing up a storm about about having to follow a person not pulling over.
I'm looking on google and having a hard time finding much else.


It would be great if someone could find a link to the full video.  Maybe an article?


We'll probably to continue to disagree on whether or not the video I posted was actual brutality, So I really won't bother with that anymore.  I will however, concede to you in that there is probably more to it.



10/14/2007 12:05:26 AM EDT
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I'd expect him to act professionally. Drawing down, contiuously screaming (losing it, actually) and forcing her to the ground is excessive (to say the least) for minor traffic violation.

I'm not sure about that state, but in many places you are allowed to continue driving until you feel safe pulling over if you think the person is not a real cop. That guy sure didn't act like one. And guess what? He's NOT a cop. If he was, he'd still have a job.

Good on the REAL police officers that fired that guy. They did a great job. They probably didn't even draw down on him or take him to the ground when they fired him, either.
Drawing down and ordering someone out of a vehicle is completely appropriate if you have reason to believe it is neccessary. Doing it the way this officer did is inappropriate, but only because he went apeshit while doing it.

His conduct during the stop was completely unprofessional, but she had no way of knowing that it was going to happen. The only thing she saw him do before she stopped was pull in behind her in a SC State Patrol vehicle and attempt to pull her over.

Failing to stop for the police is almost never taken as a sign of good intentions. Any cop with common sense would expect someone in a remote area to seek out a safe place to stop at night. That said, few are dumb enough to think that someone who refuses to stop on a busy highway during daylight hours is doing it because they can't recognize a fully equipped Crown Vic in the rearview mirror.