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Link Posted: 7/7/2023 9:40:52 PM EDT
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I agree, once they have enough they will export again. But it will be 6-8 months.
Link Posted: 7/7/2023 9:49:37 PM EDT
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Glad I got mine last year  

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Link Posted: 7/7/2023 10:07:53 PM EDT
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Their pistols seem meh. If they made a double-stack, polymer/steel, low-bore axis, pistol in 7.62x25mm, I would change my mind.
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I'll take 2!
Link Posted: 7/7/2023 10:29:40 PM EDT
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I just bought dome Bosnian primers like 2 weeks ago from a mom and pop store.

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I would imagine not unless Serbia invades and takes over Bosnia.

Smart players know economy of scale and money are good routes to a sustainable and well equipment military stock-pile - which means keeping those export lines rolling.  While bitches, cave to Putin bitching about their gear ending up bought and given to his enemies; who are not conveniently rolling over to his "mostly friendly" invasion of their country.
Link Posted: 7/7/2023 10:40:34 PM EDT
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Someone would have to be really stupid to fuck with the Serbs.
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Well Clinton and NATO backed the wrong side…
Link Posted: 7/7/2023 10:43:00 PM EDT
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No more Serbian ammo either.
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Yeah combloc calibers are already getting expensive, shit
Link Posted: 7/7/2023 10:50:06 PM EDT
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Shit.... I need Serbia to keep exporting Prvi Partizan.
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Most, if not all of the Monarch brass cased ammo at Academy is Privi.
Link Posted: 7/8/2023 10:11:21 AM EDT
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Most, if not all of the Monarch brass cased ammo at Academy is Privi.
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Sheeeeit.
The steel monarch stuff was all russian bauraul that got banned.  Whoever's working for the US side of monarch to source the imported ammo is really having to put in the leg work.
Link Posted: 7/8/2023 12:19:36 PM EDT
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Where can I buy that?  Model name?
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Would be hilarious if I seen these on Gunbroker for Converted Saiga prices.

https://zastavaarmsusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Zastava-extended-handguards-left-angle.jpg



@Capt_Destro

Where can I buy that?  Model name?


This one?
https://dkfirearms.com/product/zastava-arms-ak-47-zpapm70-extended-m-lok-handguard/

Honestly why bother though? it's $1400

https://www.k-var.com/zastava-m70-rifle-762x39-magpul-furniture-with-folding-stock

This one is $1080

You can add a SLR or Jmac Rail for $250-300 and still come out with a better rifle for less.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 4:53:13 PM EDT
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In my opinion Arsenal is better.
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Not just your opinion. Fact - Arsenal Bulgarian AK’s have always been better.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 4:58:08 PM EDT
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bummer.
I always found the yugo front trunnion design reassuring.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 5:18:02 PM EDT
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NATO has no legitimate business occupying Serbia.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 5:19:30 PM EDT
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If they stop shipping to us, then fuck them.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 5:20:08 PM EDT
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Fuck it. We need 100% american made everyfuckingthing
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 5:28:21 PM EDT
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Ima pass on that. Unless you are fine with Century VSKA/Big Fucking Turds.

Or Hell IO was American Made too.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 5:38:02 PM EDT
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Yep and their .380 is the cheapest I can find it at 21.99 a box. ??
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Ima pass on that. Unless you are fine with Century VSKA/Big Fucking Turds.

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PSA isn't perfect and has trials but I have a few gf3 and gf4s that seem good to go. I recently got a 101 that I was extremely skeptical about but at 600 I took a chance. It has been flawless so far and I have to think they changed something because all the recent produced ones have been great from my limited amount of people who bought them.

Not imported but cheap and good for shooting the shit out of.

If you want an investment beryl, arsenal, Jack's, and even Wasr rifles are probably going to be like Polytech someday soon obviously zastava but I think they will retool stateside before long.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 5:54:23 PM EDT
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Doesn't make much sense. Once they have stock piled enough weapons for their own military, stopping exports is just leaving money on the table.
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Genocide is serious business.  Those people aren't going to shoot themselves, you know.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 6:18:45 PM EDT
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PSA isn't perfect and has trials but I have a few gf3 and gf4s that seem good to go. I recently got a 101 that I was extremely skeptical about but at 600 I took a chance. It has been flawless so far and I have to think they changed something because all the recent produced ones have been great from my limited amount of people who bought them.

Not imported but cheap and good for shooting the shit out of.

If you want an investment beryl, arsenal, Jack's, and even Wasr rifles are probably going to be like Polytech someday soon obviously zastava but I think they will retool stateside before long.
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Ima pass on that. Unless you are fine with Century VSKA/Big Fucking Turds.

Or Hell IO was American Made too.

PSA isn't perfect and has trials but I have a few gf3 and gf4s that seem good to go. I recently got a 101 that I was extremely skeptical about but at 600 I took a chance. It has been flawless so far and I have to think they changed something because all the recent produced ones have been great from my limited amount of people who bought them.

Not imported but cheap and good for shooting the shit out of.

If you want an investment beryl, arsenal, Jack's, and even Wasr rifles are probably going to be like Polytech someday soon obviously zastava but I think they will retool stateside before long.



PSA is atleast making a huge effort IMO, not hating on them.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 6:24:09 PM EDT
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They technically could and the rifle would be just fine
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 6:35:21 PM EDT
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This could be horrible for collectors like me.  Crap, I need to order more carcano ammo in both calibers.  And jap ammo.  
Boxer primed, brass, reloadable ammo in deprecated calibers is where they pretty much have a monopoly.
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No more Serbian ammo either.


Ah fuck!


Good thing I bought quite a bit of the Prvi .30-06 for my Garands

Prvi Paritzan makes all sorts of ammunition of obscure calibers, it would suck if we could not get it anymore.


This could be horrible for collectors like me.  Crap, I need to order more carcano ammo in both calibers.  And jap ammo.  
Boxer primed, brass, reloadable ammo in deprecated calibers is where they pretty much have a monopoly.



I think it will be horrible for everyone. I've shot a lot of good 556 and 762 from them. I remember them being the best bang for the buck ammo available a few times in the past.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 8:10:35 PM EDT
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Only the Serbs offer a ~1500fps flavor of 357 Sig:

Link Posted: 7/9/2023 8:25:26 PM EDT
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We're going to need PSA/AAC to greatly expand their cartridge catalog if PPU imports cease.
Link Posted: 7/10/2023 2:21:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/10/2023 2:22:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/10/2023 2:27:03 PM EDT
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Even for nations, it is time to hoard ammo for what is coming.
Link Posted: 7/10/2023 2:31:14 PM EDT
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Screw Zastava.

THIS is a much bigger problem:

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There are several calibers for which Privi is the best or even the only reliable source.

If we lose access to Privi ammo, a whole bunch of guns are going to be left without ammo outside of reloading.
Link Posted: 7/10/2023 2:32:23 PM EDT
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I'd be more concerned with the loss of Prvi ammo

But No more Zastava stuff is bullshit too. That's a lot of $$$$ lost in lost exports, love to know their plan to make that revenue up?
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Store up arms that would be sent overseas for possible domestic issues (and use for those issues).
Link Posted: 7/10/2023 2:42:25 PM EDT
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I'll take 2!
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Their pistols seem meh. If they made a double-stack, polymer/steel, low-bore axis, pistol in 7.62x25mm, I would change my mind.
I'll take 2!


I'm in for one as well. And make it G34 sized to really wring the speed out of the x25
Link Posted: 7/10/2023 2:42:47 PM EDT
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Yup. I stopped dragging my feet and completed my collection of Zastava pistols when things started getting intense there.
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Did you get this one?  

Link Posted: 7/10/2023 2:49:08 PM EDT
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Not just your opinion. Fact - Arsenal Bulgarian AK’s have always been better.
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In my opinion Arsenal is better.

Not just your opinion. Fact - Arsenal Bulgarian AK’s have always been better.

My arsenal ak's are some of my least accurate guns, I honestly prefer the heavier receiver of the zastava.
Link Posted: 7/10/2023 2:51:03 PM EDT
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Globalist just doing what he agreed to.
Link Posted: 7/10/2023 3:05:40 PM EDT
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I have a few Zastava guns. They have all been fine. But the way prices have increased in recent years I doubt I was going to buy any more anyway.

PPU Ammo I will likely miss, especially the oddball calibers that are not as readily available from American manufacturers.

Just have to do more reloading I guess, if I can find components. Some of the un-primed brass I have bought in the past has been by PPU.
Link Posted: 7/10/2023 4:35:43 PM EDT
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Glad I recently picked up some more PPU 7.63 Mauser, but I really need to start handloading for my C96.
Link Posted: 7/10/2023 6:05:54 PM EDT
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Store up arms that would be sent overseas for possible domestic issues (and use for those issues).
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I'd be more concerned with the loss of Prvi ammo

But No more Zastava stuff is bullshit too. That's a lot of $$$$ lost in lost exports, love to know their plan to make that revenue up?
Store up arms that would be sent overseas for possible domestic issues (and use for those issues).


The bad thing where firearms are concerned is the fact that if it happens, production is all going to be F/A and the old ''once a MG always a MG'' is going to kick in.
Link Posted: 7/14/2023 5:51:50 PM EDT
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It looks official.  Serbia said no guns or ammo for you, 30 days.
Link Posted: 7/14/2023 6:35:43 PM EDT
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I went ahead and panic bought overpriced 39cpr Privi 5.56. That's the first AR ammo that I have bought in 3 years.
Link Posted: 7/14/2023 6:36:40 PM EDT
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FOR 30 days or IN 30 days?

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BELGRADE, Serbia (AP) — Serbia suspended all arms exports for 30 days, the defense minister said Friday, just days after the United States imposed sanctions on the Balkan country’s intelligence chief over alleged illegal arms deals and other criminal activities.

Defense Minister Miloš Vucevic said that the export ban is necessary in order to fulfill the needs of the Serbian army and boost its combat readiness amid the simmering crisis in the Balkan region.

“It does not mean Serbia is going to war or calling for war, but we are looking at all security risks and challenges,” Vucevic said.

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic first announced the move several days ago. He cited "internal security” in Serbia as the reason for the ban while tensions simmer with neighboring Kosovo, a former Serbian province whose 2008 declaration of independence Belgrade doesn't recognize.

Vucevic said the decision will be reviewed after 30 days.

Serbia is formally seeking European Union membership, but it has refused to join Western sanctions against Russia. The U.S. and EU officials recently have stepped up efforts to get Serbia and Kosovo to reach an agreement, fearing possible new instability in Europe while the war continues in Ukraine.

Serbia has faced accusations that it was exporting weapons to countries under international ban, or to Russia and Ukraine. Vucevic denied the reports.

“They keep accusing us that we sold to one side or the other,” he said.

The United States this week said the head of Serbia's intelligence agency, Aleksandar Vulin, “has been implicated in transnational organized crime, illegal narcotics operations, and misuse of public office.”

“Vulin has maintained a mutually beneficial relationship with U.S.-designated Serbian arms dealer Slobodan Tesic, helping ensure that Tesic’s illegal arms shipments can move freely across Serbia’s borders.”

Serbia has promised to investigate U.S. claims. The Organized Crime Prosecutor's office said Friday they will seek information and “concrete evidence” against Vulin from the U.S, the state RTS television reported.

Vulin, a close associated of Vucic, is known for his pro-Russia stance. He was appointed spy chief for the Balkan state last year after previously serving as both the minister of defense and interior.

Last August, Vulin visited Moscow, a rare visit by a European state official that reflected Belgrade’s continued ties with Moscow despite its condemnation of the invasion of Ukraine. Vulin then told Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov that “Serbia is the only state in Europe that didn’t introduce sanctions and was not part of the anti-Russian hysteria.”

Vucic has said that Washington imposed sanctions because of Vulin’s position on Russia, and not crime and corruption. Vulin's ouster has been among the demands of weekslong street protests in Serbia that erupted in the wake of two mass shootings in early May.

There has been no reaction from Vulin to the sanctions, while his Movement of Socialists party has described the measures against their boss as an attack on Serbia, accusing the U.S. of “raping the truth.”

The U.S. so far has imposed sanctions on a number of officials from the Balkans accused of corruption and seen as threatening peace and stability in the region following the wars in the 1990s, and for helping “advance Russia’s malign activities in Serbia and the region.”

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39 CPR is a pretty fair price.

I like PPU.  I mean, it's 55 ball, so you can't get too excited here.  But I do think they make pretty good ammo, and I like their brass for reloading.  It's European and a touch heavy, so you do have to adjust your dies and maybe your load a bit, but other then that, it's actually pretty decent stuff.   For 39 CPR in 2023; that's not bad.
Link Posted: 7/14/2023 6:40:56 PM EDT
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Atlantic Firearms sold out quickly.
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39 CPR is a pretty fair price.

I like PPU.  I mean, it's 55 ball, so you can't get too excited here.  But I do think they make pretty good ammo, and I like their brass for reloading.  It's European and a touch heavy, so you do have to adjust your dies and maybe your load a bit, but other then that, it's actually pretty decent stuff.   For 39 CPR in 2023; that's not bad.
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I went ahead and panic bought overpriced 39cpr Privi 5.56. That's the first AR ammo that I have bought in 3 years.


39 CPR is a pretty fair price.

I like PPU.  I mean, it's 55 ball, so you can't get too excited here.  But I do think they make pretty good ammo, and I like their brass for reloading.  It's European and a touch heavy, so you do have to adjust your dies and maybe your load a bit, but other then that, it's actually pretty decent stuff.   For 39 CPR in 2023; that's not bad.

The last 5.56 I bought was when Federal had a rebate on Lake City stuff before the election. I remember it being around $250 per k. I should have bought more.
Link Posted: 7/14/2023 6:45:05 PM EDT
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I doubt we'll ever see that price again.
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The last 5.56 I bought was when Federal had a rebate on Lake City stuff before the election. I remember it being around $250 per k. I should have bought more.
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I went ahead and panic bought overpriced 39cpr Privi 5.56. That's the first AR ammo that I have bought in 3 years.


39 CPR is a pretty fair price.

I like PPU.  I mean, it's 55 ball, so you can't get too excited here.  But I do think they make pretty good ammo, and I like their brass for reloading.  It's European and a touch heavy, so you do have to adjust your dies and maybe your load a bit, but other then that, it's actually pretty decent stuff.   For 39 CPR in 2023; that's not bad.

The last 5.56 I bought was when Federal had a rebate on Lake City stuff before the election. I remember it being around $250 per k. I should have bought more.


Here at AR15.com there is rarely a posting that is 100% unanimous agreement from the entire membership base.  This would be one of those!!
Link Posted: 7/14/2023 6:49:42 PM EDT
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I doubt we'll ever see that price again.
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The last 5.56 I bought was when Federal had a rebate on Lake City stuff before the election. I remember it being around $250 per k. I should have bought more.
I doubt we'll ever see that price again.

Link Posted: 7/14/2023 8:31:17 PM EDT
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M77 .308 went from $1299 to $1799 on Gunbroker.
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If they don't shape up and fly straight, it may be a federal ban permanently on them.
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