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Posted: Today 8:26:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: dyezak]
Jinping and Zelenskyy were both raking in billions from the Biden regime and that looked to continue under Kamala (if not increase).
I think Jinping was always in a position of power and just took advantage of a situation. I think Zelenskyy was bent over a barrel and became a political prostitute... My vote is Zelenskyy is FAR more upset right now. He will end up losing the war, losing a major part of his country, definitely be out of power, and may face worse. |
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Posted: Today 8:34:17 AM EST
[#1]
I would say Zelenskyy he loved taking advantage of old Biden.
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Posted: Today 8:45:42 AM EST
[#2]
Xi has much more to lose.
Zelenskyy is probably more "angry". |
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Posted: Today 8:47:34 AM EST
[#3]
In it to see if Don makes Zelenskyy pay it all back w/ interest.
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Posted: Today 8:50:50 AM EST
[#4]
Z-Man ain’t out of the woods but Xi is probably furious. The PRC’s 5 year plan in no way accounted for someone like Trump, they thought their Covid stunt handled him in 2020.
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FL, USA
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Posted: Today 8:55:31 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando223: I would say Zelenskyy he loved taking advantage of old Biden. There has been no movement on UKR because Z enjoys the position he is in. He was nothing before the war, he will likely be dead, in exile, or in prison after hostilities cease. He's a grifter. |
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Posted: Today 8:56:28 AM EST
[#6]
The sun has faded on Zelinsky.
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Posted: Today 8:58:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: dyezak]
[#7]
I think one of the little things that was said by Trump, but nobody has brought up yet, is the fact he said he was going to try and end the Ukraine war while President Elect (if he won). He wanted to end the war BEFORE he took office.
I think that's ambitious but possible. Call up Zelenskyy, "Bro, I won, when I take office you will be getting $0 of support moving forward, you are going to lose so let's work together and negotiate something with Putin right now. If you don't get this ended by the time I take office not only will you get $0, we will be coming in with troops and when WE win the war you will be the 51st state and we will get our money back that way." Call up Putin, "Bro, I won, when I take office the war has to be over. You can negotiate something with Zelenskyy right now and whatever you take is yours. But if I come into office and the war isn't over, we are turning off the money funding Zelenskyy and we are just going to send troops over there and DESTROY every non Ukranian thing in their territory and you'll get nothing. So for the good of everyone, just negotiate this thing now." |
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Posted: Today 9:07:46 AM EST
[#8]
Xi knows that unless very drastic measures are taken in the US, theres going to be a Kamilla elected in the next 20 years, demographics are destiny, as this election showed once again. Chinas been patient so I doubt things being delayed a bit will bother him all that much, he likely wouldht have been in charge for Chinas complete ascendency anyway.
Zelensky on the other hand... well his allowance is about to be cut off, so whatever his latest grift is will have to be among the last. Too bad, so sad. |
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Posted: Today 9:09:13 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: I think one of the little things that was said by Trump, but nobody has brought up yet, is the fact he said he was going to try and end the Ukraine war while President Elect (if he won). He wanted to end the war BEFORE he took office. I think that's ambitious but possible. Call up Zelenskyy, "Bro, I won, when I take office you will be getting $0 of support moving forward, you are going to lose so let's work together and negotiate something with Putin right now. If you don't get this ended by the time I take office not only will you get $0, we will be coming in with troops and when WE win the war you will be the 51st state and we will get our money back that way." Call up Putin, "Bro, I won, when I take office the war has to be over. You can negotiate something with Zelenskyy right now and whatever you take is yours. But if I come into office and the war isn't over, we are turning off the money funding Zelenskyy and we are just going to send troops over there and DESTROY every non Ukranian thing in their territory and you'll get nothing. So for the good of everyone, just negotiate this thing now." The art of the deal. |
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Posted: Today 9:10:15 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HecklerKac: The sun has faded on Zelinsky. I think I saw what you did there. |
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Posted: Today 9:11:59 AM EST
[#11]
I wonder if Zel figures it is in his (country's) best interest to concede territory to end hostilities before Trump takes office. They will likely have to concede territory later anyway. Take the money and run.
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Posted: Today 9:13:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By webtaz99: Xi has much more to lose. Zelenskyy is probably more "angry". China has been building what they need to accomplish their goals regardless of what the US tries to do. Possible outcomes for us range from partial success to completely useless/irrelevant to getting wrecked/humiliated. Trump can't stop what's coming. |
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Posted: Today 9:13:20 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HecklerKac: The sun has faded on Zelinsky. 
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Posted: Today 9:13:50 AM EST
[#14]
Prolly both.
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GA, USA
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Posted: Today 9:14:41 AM EST
[#15]
This Big Guy doesn't need your ten percent.
Smoke on that a while, Vlad. |
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Posted: Today 9:17:41 AM EST
[#16]
Hopefully some of you all get your medal soon.
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Posted: Today 9:26:30 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: China has been building what they need to accomplish their goals regardless of what the US tries to do. Possible outcomes for us range from partial success to completely useless/irrelevant to getting wrecked/humiliated. Trump can't stop what's coming. |
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Posted: Today 9:27:02 AM EST
[#18]
I honestly don't think Trump will pull funding for the Ukraine war. My bet is that he threatens to up the support to the point that Putin has to get negotiable. At the same time, he'll tell Europe that if they don't agree to send more support that we'll pull ours. Added European support will put even more pressure on Putin to figure out how to end it. That's how Trump operates.
And we bitch about the money, but greatly weakening one of our greatest enemies with someone else's blood is money well spent. Allowing the enemy to win, is absolutely not in our best interest. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: Today 9:27:55 AM EST
[#19]
Zelenskyy helped the Dems hide dirty laundry and help frame Trump, he'll be lucky if he just loses funding.
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Posted: Today 9:28:53 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Hopefully some of you all get your medal soon. https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSEh1CnfM7KZUSYUHLKeNgfwltpEEQvLwpfKqBBW1FjlJBlyNqVGdz8j_v9rBB0lEOduEw4Yg "a tempest must be true to its nature" ....retarded? is its true nature retarded? |
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Posted: Today 9:34:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
[#21]
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Posted: Today 9:34:45 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: I think one of the little things that was said by Trump, but nobody has brought up yet, is the fact he said he was going to try and end the Ukraine war while President Elect (if he won). He wanted to end the war BEFORE he took office. I think that's ambitious but possible. Call up Zelenskyy, "Bro, I won, when I take office you will be getting $0 of support moving forward, you are going to lose so let's work together and negotiate something with Putin right now. If you don't get this ended by the time I take office not only will you get $0, we will be coming in with troops and when WE win the war you will be the 51st state and we will get our money back that way." Call up Putin, "Bro, I won, when I take office the war has to be over. You can negotiate something with Zelenskyy right now and whatever you take is yours. But if I come into office and the war isn't over, we are turning off the money funding Zelenskyy and we are just going to send troops over there and DESTROY every non Ukranian thing in their territory and you'll get nothing. So for the good of everyone, just negotiate this thing now." Annex Ukraine? Lol. If I were Zelensky I’d leap on that deal. Give forty-odd million Ukrainians the vote….what could go wrong? |
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Posted: Today 9:37:53 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasOutdoorsman: "a tempest must be true to its nature" ....retarded? is its true nature retarded? I just like to see when people get recognized for their hard work. |
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Posted: Today 9:59:42 AM EST
[#24]
Xi has time, he's more calculating, and probably weighing his options. Zelensky is mid game, worried that if the power goes out he won't have a saved game to come back to.
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Posted: Today 10:14:07 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: I think one of the little things that was said by Trump, but nobody has brought up yet, is the fact he said he was going to try and end the Ukraine war while President Elect (if he won). He wanted to end the war BEFORE he took office. I think that's ambitious but possible. Call up Zelenskyy, "Bro, I won, when I take office you will be getting $0 of support moving forward, you are going to lose so let's work together and negotiate something with Putin right now. If you don't get this ended by the time I take office not only will you get $0, we will be coming in with troops and when WE win the war you will be the 51st state and we will get our money back that way." Call up Putin, "Bro, I won, when I take office the war has to be over. You can negotiate something with Zelenskyy right now and whatever you take is yours. But if I come into office and the war isn't over, we are turning off the money funding Zelenskyy and we are just going to send troops over there and DESTROY every non Ukranian thing in their territory and you'll get nothing. So for the good of everyone, just negotiate this thing now." Yup. Put the fear into both of them and get their reactions. From there he can make the best deal. If both are intransigent he will do something they will regret. Putin knows Trump isn’t afraid to kill Russians if he has to. Trump may pressure Russia in Syria rather than Ukraine too. |
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Posted: Today 10:18:08 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Hopefully some of you all get your medal soon. https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSEh1CnfM7KZUSYUHLKeNgfwltpEEQvLwpfKqBBW1FjlJBlyNqVGdz8j_v9rBB0lEOduEw4Yg 
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Posted: Today 10:31:31 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasOutdoorsman: "a tempest must be true to its nature" ....retarded? is its true nature retarded? 7empest is actually kind of cool. It's easy to admire uncompromising men. The GOP will continue to support Zelenskyy, even under a Trump administration. Trump didn't run on ending the Ukraine war. He might want to, but I don't think it will work out that way. The only major difference IMO is that the Trump Administration might not spend so much in reconstruction efforts post war without some kind of deal. |
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Posted: Today 10:34:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: Pallas]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: I think one of the little things that was said by Trump, but nobody has brought up yet, is the fact he said he was going to try and end the Ukraine war while President Elect (if he won). He wanted to end the war BEFORE he took office. I think that's ambitious but possible. " The solution is simple. UKR declares itself a neutral country. NATO passes a resolution that UKR will never be considered for membership. RUS withdraws to their border and sanctions will be lifted*. Will it work forever? Probably not, but it will for a while. *obviously the latter is going to be a rub for Putin, but everyone has to give. The dying ends for UKR and Pooty can say he stopped the expansion of NATO. It’s not pretty, but it is the simplest solution. In return for all the aid the US has provided, UKR agrees to take 10 million of our illegals. The country needs to be rebuilt and repopulated. PRC isn’t worried long term. |
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Posted: Today 10:34:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: SamBoga]
[#29]
Xi has all the angles covered, Zelenskyy is hiding from his landlord and the rent is way past due.
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Posted: Today 10:36:40 AM EST
[#30]
If China has designs on any Russian territory, now would be the time for them to decide to support Ukraine. I doubt Russia could fight a war on two fronts.
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Posted: Today 10:54:29 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenTaxi: If China has designs on any Russian territory, now would be the time for them to decide to support Ukraine. I doubt Russia could fight a war on two fronts. Why would you fight your best friend? China and Russia are allies in defeating the US Petro Dollar. They see the bigger picture in getting oil off the USD so their currencies are used more. |
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Posted: Today 11:13:47 AM EST
[#32]
The gravy train is going off the rails for both of them. Zelensky is probably more upset due to no more money for wife to spend in Paris.
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Posted: Today 11:19:14 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: I just like to see when people get recognized for their hard work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By TexasOutdoorsman: "a tempest must be true to its nature" ....retarded? is its true nature retarded? I just like to see when people get recognized for their hard work. smh not recognizing tool lyrics when its right in front of them  |
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Posted: Today 11:25:34 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando223: I would say Zelenskyy he loved taking advantage of old Biden. This. It was probably the worst case of Ukrainians scamming a US senior citizen to send money, in that shithole's entire 30 year "history" |
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Posted: Today 11:29:06 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: I think one of the little things that was said by Trump, but nobody has brought up yet, is the fact he said he was going to try and end the Ukraine war while President Elect (if he won). He wanted to end the war BEFORE he took office. I think that's ambitious but possible. Call up Zelenskyy, "Bro, I won, when I take office you will be getting $0 of support moving forward, you are going to lose so let's work together and negotiate something with Putin right now. If you don't get this ended by the time I take office not only will you get $0, we will be coming in with troops and when WE win the war you will be the 51st state and we will get our money back that way." Call up Putin, "Bro, I won, when I take office the war has to be over. You can negotiate something with Zelenskyy right now and whatever you take is yours. But if I come into office and the war isn't over, we are turning off the money funding Zelenskyy and we are just going to send troops over there and DESTROY every non Ukranian thing in their territory and you'll get nothing. So for the good of everyone, just negotiate this thing now." |
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Posted: Today 11:29:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pallas: The solution is simple. UKR declares itself a neutral country. NATO passes a resolution that UKR will never be considered for membership. RUS withdraws to their border and sanctions will be lifted*. Will it work forever? Probably not, but it will for a while. *obviously the latter is going to be a rub for Putin, but everyone has to give. The dying ends for UKR and Pooty can say he stopped the expansion of NATO. It’s not pretty, but it is the simplest solution. In return for all the aid the US has provided, UKR agrees to take 10 million of our illegals. The country needs to be rebuilt and repopulated. PRC isn’t worried long term. Tell me you know nothing about the Ukraine conflict without saying you know nothing about the Ukraine conflict. Russia withdraws to their borders?  Who's going to put troops on the ground and make that happen? Why on earth would Russia withdraw from a war they're winning? Slowly, at great cost, but winning all the same. They don't care about the cost, they only care about the win, and they're getting it.
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Posted: Today 11:36:00 AM EST
[#37]
Xi and the Chinese look looooooooooooooooooooooooooong term. A four year bump in the road is really nothing compared to all that they have harvested in the last 25 years or so. They accept and tolerate some setbacks in the long term.
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Posted: Today 11:39:16 AM EST
[#38]
Z dawg may need to go back to leathered up dancing and tricking himself for cash
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Posted: Today 11:42:13 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaweidert: Xi and the Chinese look looooooooooooooooooooooooooong term. A four year bump in the road is really nothing compared to all that they have harvested in the last 25 years or so. They accept and tolerate some setbacks in the long term. |
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Posted: Today 11:44:23 AM EST
[#40]
I'm going to go with Xi.
I think a move (of some sort) on Taiwan had a very high chance of happening under a weak leader. With Trump, there is a lot more uncertainty on forms of retaliation. This may make them pause for another 4 years. |
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Posted: Today 11:44:56 AM EST
[#41]
Zelenskyy made a huge miscalculation, opening his mouth, and campaigning in Pennsylvania for Harris. Trump is a petty, vindictive person. It's part of why i am a fan. But unfortunately the Ukrainian people are going to pay the price for Zelenskyy running his mouth.
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Posted: Today 11:45:44 AM EST
[#42]
not Zelenskyy. he is a realist -- he is not anti-Trump -- and understands the value of the USA relationship.
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Posted: Today 11:47:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: SuperSixOne]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mojo_Jojo: This. The USA is one of China's largest trade partners, but not the only one. Big USA tariffs would certainly hurt China's economy, but would wreck the USA economy & lifestyle for years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mojo_Jojo: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: China has been building what they need to accomplish their goals regardless of what the US tries to do. Possible outcomes for us range from partial success to completely useless/irrelevant to getting wrecked/humiliated. Trump can't stop what's coming. As soon as prices on cheap shit go up, Indonesia, Malaysia and all the other poor countries of Asia will be all over it. |
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Posted: Today 11:48:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: wyomingnick]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: Zelenskyy made a huge miscalculation, opening his mouth, and campaigning in Pennsylvania for Harris. Trump is a petty, vindictive person. It's part of why i am a fan. But unfortunately the Ukrainian people are going to pay the price for Zelenskyy running his mouth. Wait he did that? I did not know that, Yeah that was stupid of him if true. Got a link ? |
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Posted: Today 11:49:33 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: Zelenskyy made a huge miscalculation, opening his mouth, and campaigning in Pennsylvania for Harris. Trump is a petty, vindictive person. It's part of why i am a fan. But unfortunately the Ukrainian people are going to pay the price for Zelenskyy running his mouth. complete falsehood you should be ashamed |
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Posted: Today 11:53:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Hopefully some of you all get your medal soon. https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSEh1CnfM7KZUSYUHLKeNgfwltpEEQvLwpfKqBBW1FjlJBlyNqVGdz8j_v9rBB0lEOduEw4Yg Hopefully Putin and Z boy both lose power soon. Couple of fags over there wasting time and money. Trump will put an end to this fucking nonsense. America first. Fuck Biden's Ukraine. Fuck Putin. |
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Posted: Today 11:55:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pallas: The solution is simple. UKR declares itself a neutral country. NATO passes a resolution that UKR will never be considered for membership. RUS withdraws to their border and sanctions will be lifted*. Will it work forever? Probably not, but it will for a while. *obviously the latter is going to be a rub for Putin, but everyone has to give. The dying ends for UKR and Pooty can say he stopped the expansion of NATO. It’s not pretty, but it is the simplest solution. In return for all the aid the US has provided, UKR agrees to take 10 million of our illegals. The country needs to be rebuilt and repopulated. PRC isn’t worried long term. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pallas: Originally Posted By dyezak: I think one of the little things that was said by Trump, but nobody has brought up yet, is the fact he said he was going to try and end the Ukraine war while President Elect (if he won). He wanted to end the war BEFORE he took office. I think that's ambitious but possible. " The solution is simple. UKR declares itself a neutral country. NATO passes a resolution that UKR will never be considered for membership. RUS withdraws to their border and sanctions will be lifted*. Will it work forever? Probably not, but it will for a while. *obviously the latter is going to be a rub for Putin, but everyone has to give. The dying ends for UKR and Pooty can say he stopped the expansion of NATO. It’s not pretty, but it is the simplest solution. In return for all the aid the US has provided, UKR agrees to take 10 million of our illegals. The country needs to be rebuilt and repopulated. PRC isn’t worried long term. I'd be happy sending our illegals to Ukraine |
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Posted: Today 11:56:30 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub: smh not recognizing tool lyrics when its right in front of them Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub: Originally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By TexasOutdoorsman: "a tempest must be true to its nature" ....retarded? is its true nature retarded? I just like to see when people get recognized for their hard work. smh not recognizing tool lyrics when its right in front of them I spotted the tool. |
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Posted: Today 11:57:24 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By webtaz99: Xi has much more to lose. Zelenskyy is probably more "angry". This. Although Zelenskyy may actually be relieved. He gets out of the war with a nice fat bank account and can blame it on Trump instead of admitting he surrendered. |
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Posted: Today 11:57:29 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: Zelenskyy made a huge miscalculation, opening his mouth, and campaigning in Pennsylvania for Harris. Trump is a petty, vindictive person. It's part of why i am a fan. But unfortunately the Ukrainian people are going to pay the price for Zelenskyy running his mouth. They voted for him. Oh, wait... |
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