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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:15:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey look. It's a coronavirus (that didn't change into not a coronavirus) Also ... viruses are alive and count as life?  Also, besides that, the thing was engineered in the lab. So ... Intelligent design is what you're saying is true?  I don't know if your being sarcastic or not. It was one thing, that thing had mutations. those mutations either dead ended, or created new pathways for survival. It doesn't really matter if its alive, in fact it not being "alive" shows how fundamental this behavior to take advantage of situations for preservation and replication is to life itself. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:16:04 PM EST
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If German-Americans are descended from Germans, then why are there still Germans?
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:18:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a fact that living organisms can and have evolved. That isn't the theory of evolution. Thats a small piece of the theory of evolution. It's still a theory. A well tested theory, but still not a fact. That's what I said. It's a fact evolution happens. The theory is our best understanding of the fact. Same with the big bang. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:20:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. But for now, look up the Peppered Moth as an example of natural selection at work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: because the time machine hasn't been invented yet. This. But for now, look up the Peppered Moth as an example of natural selection at work. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:21:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  Don't laugh Mr. Science Man! You see Justin, we got a theory About magic and miracles (that's right, that's right) |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:31:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For starters, soft tissue being found in "70-million year old" dinosaur bones: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur-shocker-115306469/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/dinosaur-proteins-cells-and-blood-vessels-recovered-from-bracyhlophosaurus https://www.history.com/news/scientists-find-soft-tissue-in-75-million-year-old-dinosaur-bones https://blog.drwile.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/allosaurus_soft_tissue.jpg Also, the obvious lack of transitional species/fossils, no missing link, etc. The theory of evolution is scientific fantasy, at best. The fossil record is full of examples of transitional species. This “missing link” you speak of… What is it supposed to link, exactly?  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:32:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus was not "created." He (Jesus) is the Son of God and not a creature. Ummmm…. K. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:33:38 PM EST
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100% of the evidence supports evolution.
0% disproves it. Are you waiting for the ratio to go up? |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:33:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. But for now, look up the Peppered Moth as an example of natural selection at work. did it tyurn into a frog so it coul ddo the eating?????! to srsly answer the question. same reason "aliens seeded the earth" is gaining traction. because efvery time they add brazzillions of years to the history, it just makes evolution that mucn harder to prove, and that many more "bad outcomes" to happen. more years = more problems = "muh aliaen seeding" |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:34:01 PM EST
[#10]
Maybe Darwin got it wrong and Genesis was correct.
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:35:55 PM EST
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:36:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: did it tyurn into a frog so it coul ddo the eating?????! to srsly answer the question. same reason "aliens seeded the earth" is gaining traction. because efvery time they add brazzillions of years to the history, it just makes evolution that mucn harder to prove, and that many more "bad outcomes" to happen. more years = more problems = "muh aliaen seeding" Stroke or drinking? |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:37:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If German-Americans are descended from Germans, then why are there still Germans? https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/09/10/opinion/10stoneWeb/merlin_143024691_590b6f77-96aa-406a-ae5a-09d30fd9b1ba-superJumbo.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:37:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if you play inside of the irrational box ... no. There aren't. Unless you assume (and never prove logically) that what your looking at is the eqivalent of a member of Felidae turning into Canidae, instead of adaptations that aren't changing one kind of life into a distinct other kind. Which literally turns into a game of this: the single celled organism is life on mars, but the embryo on earth isn't.  "This adaptation is the magic change, this equal one over here isn't!" Aside from the fact that your statement is largely just garbage, let’s start here: What is a “distinct other kind of life”? |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:38:27 PM EST
[#15]
You're supposed to save these threads for the weekend so everyone can participate.
Not on Sunday though, because then all the fun people are in church. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:38:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All variants of nCoV-2019 are the same species, though. Hell, I'm not even sure how "species" is defined in this case. In mammals, it's typically through the inability to interbreed I believe. Viruses don't have sexual reproduction, so that doesn't apply. Like horses and donkeys? Or lions and tigers? |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:39:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Microevolution can be observed. Macroevolution requires a leap of faith. “Micro evolution” and “macro evolution” are the same thing occurring over different periods of time. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:39:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I said. It's a fact evolution happens. The theory is our best understanding of the fact. Same with the big bang. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's a fact that living organisms can and have evolved. That isn't the theory of evolution. Thats a small piece of the theory of evolution. It's still a theory. A well tested theory, but still not a fact. That's what I said. It's a fact evolution happens. The theory is our best understanding of the fact. Same with the big bang. I guess you just didn't take the time to actually read what you were replying to since you were so eager to talk down to people. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:41:06 PM EST
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Quoted: It's been 164 years since Darwin. Why hasn't the theory of evolution by natural selection been proven yet? There are plenty of examples of it occurring in small ways on the macro level. On the micro level it's quite easy to observe in "real time."  The Longest-Running Evolution Experiment |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:44:54 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess you just didn't take the time to actually read what you were replying to since you were so eager to talk down to people. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:50:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know if your being sarcastic or not. It was one thing, that thing had mutations. those mutations either dead ended, or created new pathways for survival. It doesn't really matter if its alive, in fact it not being "alive" shows how fundamental this behavior to take advantage of situations for preservation and replication is to life itself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hey look. It's a coronavirus (that didn't change into not a coronavirus) Also ... viruses are alive and count as life? Also, besides that, the thing was engineered in the lab. So ... Intelligent design is what you're saying is true? I don't know if your being sarcastic or not. It was one thing, that thing had mutations. those mutations either dead ended, or created new pathways for survival. It doesn't really matter if its alive, in fact it not being "alive" shows how fundamental this behavior to take advantage of situations for preservation and replication is to life itself. I wasn't saying the opposite of what I meant. Evolution is not adaptation. Adaptation is not evolution. When you do not have the equivalent of a dog changing into a horse or a cat into a platypus (one distinct kind of life changing into another) you do not have evolution. "It's still a coronavirus" means, inherently, it's not evolved. It has adapted. *Even* if you believe in evolution, you have to be able to say when the adaptations (the proposed means that drives evolution) have given rise to evolution. eta: and again - the thing was designed in a lab from available parts. IE intelligent design.
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:53:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aside from the fact that your statement is largely just garbage, let’s start here: What is a “distinct other kind of life”? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even if you play inside of the irrational box ... no. There aren't. Unless you assume (and never prove logically) that what your looking at is the eqivalent of a member of Felidae turning into Canidae, instead of adaptations that aren't changing one kind of life into a distinct other kind. Which literally turns into a game of this: the single celled organism is life on mars, but the embryo on earth isn't. "This adaptation is the magic change, this equal one over here isn't!" Aside from the fact that your statement is largely just garbage, let’s start here: What is a “distinct other kind of life”? That's exactly how CNN argues. "Your statement is garbage just because I said so." without bothering to have anything to do with the content of what's said. The answer to the question you gave is, nobody knows. We just arbitrarily decide it. Evolution as a concept has to be able to say, definitively, that some form of life has crossed that line. The line, being, again, the undefineable thing, and yet evolutionists say things that require them to know when it's been crossed or not. Otherwise, this is nothing but a game of saying that adaptation=evolution=adaptation=evolution... ad infinitum. -------------------- ETA: general comment - I still find myself surprised at how confused people in the church of evolution (whos god is random chance) are regarding stuff they don't believe, and so horribly incompetent at understanding or interacting with anyone not of their cult. Talking to people who don't believe what you do is something most people should be able to do passably. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:57:25 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been 13.7 billion years since the big bang. Why hasn't it been proven yet? Checkmate Papists. Because there's some recent evidence to suggest what they called the big bang is wrong. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:58:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's still a moth. Adaptation =/= evolution ok, define evolution, so we are all talking about the same thing. Give a concise definition that lacks any ambiguity. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 3:59:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This trolling attempt is too weak to survive natural selection. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:00:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/machine_learning.pngYou're just asking the people who wrote the thing. There is no mind there. Might as well go ask wikipedia or MSNBC. If you want to play around with it, input "explain the problem of infinite regress of proofs in simple terms" and see if the people that programmed it even input that data. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's been 164 years since Darwin. Why hasn't the theory of evolution by natural selection been proven yet? Lets ask google bard Sure. A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. A scientific law is a statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some aspects of the universe. A scientific law always applies under the same conditions, and implies that there is a causal relationship involving its elements. The main difference between a theory and a law is that a theory explains how something works, while a law describes what happens. For example, the theory of evolution explains how different species of organisms have changed over time, while the law of gravity describes how objects attract each other. Another difference between a theory and a law is that a theory can be changed or discarded if new evidence is found that contradicts it. A law, on the other hand, is more resistant to change, as it is based on repeated observations. However, it is important to note that both theories and laws are important in science. Theories provide explanations for how the world works, while laws describe what happens under certain conditions. Both are essential for our understanding of the natural world. Here are some examples of scientific theories and laws: Theory: The theory of evolution by natural selection explains how different species of organisms have changed over time. Law: The law of gravity describes how objects attract each other. Theory: The theory of relativity explains how gravity works and how it affects the universe. Law: The law of thermodynamics describes how energy is transferred and transformed. I hope this explanation is helpful. Let me know if you have any other questions. https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/machine_learning.pngYou're just asking the people who wrote the thing. There is no mind there. Might as well go ask wikipedia or MSNBC. If you want to play around with it, input "explain the problem of infinite regress of proofs in simple terms" and see if the people that programmed it even input that data. Why do you knowingly make misleading statements at best and intellectually dishonest statements at worst? Your first statement makes one infer that you have no idea how machine learning works but the second shows that you do. The AI forms answers based upon the dataset that it was provided. You aren't asking the programmers anything. You are asking for an analysis based on the dataset that the AI has access to. It either has data to form an analysis on or it doesn't. It clearly didn't just makeup it's analysis regarding laws and theories. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:00:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the fruit flies or bacteria change into another species? There are species of birds that exist on the Galapagos Island that cannot reproduce with the same kind of bird from the mainland. They have enough genetic diversity from being separated for so long, that they might as well be different species. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:02:51 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If German-Americans are descended from Germans, then why are there still Germans? https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/09/10/opinion/10stoneWeb/merlin_143024691_590b6f77-96aa-406a-ae5a-09d30fd9b1ba-superJumbo.jpg As half German, this question haunts me. If you found a watch on the beach, would you think God made it, or that it "evolved" there?! |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:04:15 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Evolution needs to be able to account for first cause causation. How did matter originate from nothing, including the forces that act on the matter? Order is evidence of intelligence. If I put a million numbers in sequential order we can all deduce that intelligence was behind that arrangement, but in the macro, there is an infinite number of ordered systems that science irrationally labels as random chance, without intelligent design. The theory of evolution isn’t intelligent. It is a tool to dull the thinking of the educated and non-educated alike. It’s a control tool. They aren't part of evolution. Abiogenesis is a separate topic. The origin of the Universe is a separate topic. Evolution and intelligent design are not incompatible. The mechanisms required for evolution to exist are pretty elegant. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:06:28 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why hasn't gravity? Gravity still is a theory and not proven. The apple falling from a tree turned out to be subatomic particles warping space-time. Still not fully understood how it happens, but we know exactly what it does. No, we don't know exactly what it does. We have models that seem to fit our observations and predictions, which is not the same as "Knowing what it does." |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:08:11 PM EST
[#31]
Monkey see, monkey do
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:13:01 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It can't be. The scientific process is logically incapable of proving (or disproving) anything. It can't even tell you if something is probable. This is down to the basic nuts and bolts of that process and the idea that you can know (coherently - logically - ie, not just MSU) truth by the means of your perceptions. This is why good scientists are humble and far more comfortable telling you what they don't know than what they think they might know. King ferret GOF funder fauci stuck out so badly because of his arrogance re: science. The very computer you are using is proof that everything you said is wrong. Ignoring tubes, the transistor - a product of science and everything that followed - built on science shows you are aren't just wrong, but blind. Science is how they came up with ways to continually shrink the size of components. Science is how they detect diseases and treat them. Your misuse of logic and proofs is hilarious. |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:13:54 PM EST
[#33]
Watch an episode of "The View" and you have all you need to answer your question.
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:15:05 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If German-Americans are descended from Germans, then why are there still Germans? https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/09/10/opinion/10stoneWeb/merlin_143024691_590b6f77-96aa-406a-ae5a-09d30fd9b1ba-superJumbo.jpg BUT THERE ARE NO MORE PRUSSIANS!! |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:15:21 PM EST
[#35]
 Freedom of Choice |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:15:52 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stroke or drinking? Yes |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:16:44 PM EST
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:16:55 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's exactly how CNN argues. "Your statement is garbage just because I said so." without bothering to have anything to do with the content of what's said. The answer to the question you gave is, nobody knows. We just arbitrarily decide it. Evolution as a concept has to be able to say, definitively, that some form of life has crossed that line. The line, being, again, the undefineable thing, and yet evolutionists say things that require them to know when it's been crossed or not. Otherwise, this is nothing but a game of saying that adaptation=evolution=adaptation=evolution... ad infinitum. -------------------- ETA: general comment - I still find myself surprised at how confused people in the church of evolution (whos god is random chance) are regarding stuff they don't believe, and so horribly incompetent at understanding or interacting with anyone not of their cult. Talking to people who don't believe what you do is something most people should be able to do passably. So let’s start there: What line? |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:18:17 PM EST
[#39]
Why hasn't it been proved? Because it's not only not true, it is one of the dumbest theories ever put forth in the history of dumb theories. Why do i say that, you ask? Hmmmm... let's keep it simple.
Let's start with the second law of thermodynamics. -Evolution posits, that from lower/less complex forms of life, more complex forms of life arose, and not just slightly more complex, but many many orders of magnitude more complex. Yet it is a scientific law (not theory), that all natural processes increase entropy (disorder). Since it may not be obvious to everyone, increasing complexity (order) is the opposite of entropy. So, from that one simple little fact, it is definitive that one of three things is true: 1) The laws of thermodynamics are not true/in error. 2) The theory of evolution is not true/in error. 3) Both the laws of thermodynamics and evolution are true, which means that an outside intelligence intervened to introduce complexity and order. In other words, "God did it". So if you believe in evolution, then you can either believe "God did it", or you can believe that the laws of thermodynamics are wrong. And if you believe the laws of thermodynamics are wrong, then, wow... I dunno what to say (backs away slowly). |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:25:14 PM EST
[#40]
Wakeboarder is masturbating furiously to you guys arguing in his troll thread...
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:26:53 PM EST
[#41]
Belief in science is a sign of low intelligence.
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:27:16 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why hasn't it been proved? Because it's not only not true, it is one of the dumbest theories ever put forth in the history of dumb theories. Why do i say that, you ask? Hmmmm... let's keep it simple. Let's start with the second law of thermodynamics. -Evolution posits, that from lower/less complex forms of life, more complex forms of life arose, and not just slightly more complex, but many many orders of magnitude more complex. Yet it is a scientific law (not theory), that all natural processes increase entropy (disorder). Since it may not be obvious to everyone, increasing complexity (order) is the opposite of entropy. So, from that one simple little fact, it is definitive that one of three things is true: 1) The laws of thermodynamics are not true/in error. 2) The theory of evolution is not true/in error. 3) Both the laws of thermodynamics and evolution are true, which means that an outside intelligence intervened to introduce complexity and order. In other words, "God did it". So if you believe in evolution, then you can either believe "God did it", or you can believe that the laws of thermodynamics are wrong. And if you believe the laws of thermodynamics are wrong, then, wow... I dunno what to say (backs away slowly). 
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:31:57 PM EST
[#43]
It has been... Look at birds beaks for an example. Fish & amphibians hold examples also.
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:32:39 PM EST
[#44]
GD: Evolution is a JOKE.
Also GD: It appears humans are devolving.
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:33:50 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why hasn't it been proved? Because it's not only not true, it is one of the dumbest theories ever put forth in the history of dumb theories. Why do i say that, you ask? Hmmmm... let's keep it simple. Let's start with the second law of thermodynamics. -Evolution posits, that from lower/less complex forms of life, more complex forms of life arose, and not just slightly more complex, but many many orders of magnitude more complex. Yet it is a scientific law (not theory), that all natural processes increase entropy (disorder). Since it may not be obvious to everyone, increasing complexity (order) is the opposite of entropy. So, from that one simple little fact, it is definitive that one of three things is true: 1) The laws of thermodynamics are not true/in error. 2) The theory of evolution is not true/in error. 3) Both the laws of thermodynamics and evolution are true, which means that an outside intelligence intervened to introduce complexity and order. In other words, "God did it". So if you believe in evolution, then you can either believe "God did it", or you can believe that the laws of thermodynamics are wrong. And if you believe the laws of thermodynamics are wrong, then, wow... I dunno what to say (backs away slowly). "Posit." |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:34:32 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wakeboarder is masturbating furiously to you guys arguing in his troll thread... Yes he is, just wish it was on onlyfans. 
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:40:47 PM EST
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The worldwide ancient fossil record of plants and animals is extensive. The species found in different time periods over hundreds of millions of years changes as they emerge and go extinct.
They dont find bunny rabbits fossilized with trilobites. So where are the new species coming from? |
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:43:57 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Posit."Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why hasn't it been proved? Because it's not only not true, it is one of the dumbest theories ever put forth in the history of dumb theories. Why do i say that, you ask? Hmmmm... let's keep it simple. Let's start with the second law of thermodynamics. -Evolution posits, that from lower/less complex forms of life, more complex forms of life arose, and not just slightly more complex, but many many orders of magnitude more complex. Yet it is a scientific law (not theory), that all natural processes increase entropy (disorder). Since it may not be obvious to everyone, increasing complexity (order) is the opposite of entropy. So, from that one simple little fact, it is definitive that one of three things is true: 1) The laws of thermodynamics are not true/in error. 2) The theory of evolution is not true/in error. 3) Both the laws of thermodynamics and evolution are true, which means that an outside intelligence intervened to introduce complexity and order. In other words, "God did it". So if you believe in evolution, then you can either believe "God did it", or you can believe that the laws of thermodynamics are wrong. And if you believe the laws of thermodynamics are wrong, then, wow... I dunno what to say (backs away slowly). "Posit."Apologies, I forgot my audience here. Posit - to assume or affirm the existence of, to propose as an explanation. You can translate that as "assumes to be true".
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:45:36 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apologies, I forgot my audience here. Posit - to assume or affirm the existence of, to propose as an explanation. You can translate that as "assumes to be true". I love GD.
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:49:00 PM EST
[#50]
How did two Latin speaking parents give birth to an Italian speaking child?
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