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Because it's not a good thing to add or subtract from God's inspired writings.
Revelation 22 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. |
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OP? He gone...
Transients that shit in the yard and walk off should be dispatched. |
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For real?
You do realize Christian’s believe everything in The OT right? |
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Quoted: I used to work an off duty security gig for a Jewish Temple congregation. They paid me a lot of money to sit in my car and the old ladies brought me cookies and baked goods. Sweet gig. I asked one of our detectives (who is Jewish) why it was called a "temple" and not a "synagogue." He told me they are socialist Jews, not religious Jews. Well, they were nice, and paid on time. View Quote Reform Judaism is fairly modern (the last 150ish years) and these days, only exists in the U.S. in any numbers. They are a very left leaning group. Not all members are actually Jewish, but most are. It is more of a Jewish club that uses some of the Jewish religion. It is also struggling in many areas. In the rest of the world, there is pretty much only "Orthodox" Judaism. (which also has its sects, but they are all 98% religiously the same) For example, in Israel, even athiests do things in an orthodox manner, if they do something Jewish. Its functionally all there is there. As a tangent, the Orthodox in the U.S. are very right leaning. But in the U.S. they are the minority of Jews....but Orthodoxy is growing most everywhere. The Orthodox use the term "Synagogue" or "Shul" and would never use the term "Temple" for their local place of worship. The term "Temple" to describe the building is a practice of the Reform. The Reform will use the term Synagogue, but "Temple" is more common. Sometimes the term "Congregation" gets used by both. |
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Quoted: The Old Testament was once thought to be a historical writing, but it seems modern Christianity has seen the light and seems to treat it largely as non-factual since the pro-slavery, anti-female, genocidal, and contradictory parts largely don't agree with the New Testament. It's quite telling when you read modern writings from the Jews themselves on how they now believe the Torah is largely non-factual and embrace it as a religious text but not actual history. It's ironic how many Christians claim the Old Testament is factual when the people who wrote it largely agree it is not. I'm surprised modern Christianity hasn't taken it out of the Bible yet (although getting ALL Christians to agree on anything is near impossible). Jesus' teachings in the New Testament (at times) seems to obsolete all of the old Law and replace it with new concepts, though the New Testament definitely relies on the prophesies laid out in the OT... Science has completely debunked much of the Old Testament to the point of where most modern Christians admit it is an allegory at best, and a conglomeration of the contemporary religions of the time in Canaan when it was written at worst. The Israelites were never enslaved in Egypt, never had an Exodus in the desert near the level the Bible describes, and most of the conquests of the Israelites were completely made up to try to establish their origin story. It has been well-proven the Old Testament was largely written around 600 BC, thousands of years after most of the claimed events occurred and the (lack of) accuracy of oral history is shown time and again in it's writings. Cities that didn't exist yet are referenced many times, timelines are all over the place, different things happen to the same people in different books, etc. The worst is the creation stories (there are 2 of them and they don't match) and the Flood myth (plagiarized from the older Epic of Gilgamesh). What value does the Old Testament still hold for modern Christians if it isn't true. View Quote |
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the pro-slavery, anti-female, genocidal, and contradictory parts View Quote This is the story of humanity. A take as old as time. |
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Because everything in the Old Testament leads up to and explains what will happen in the New Testament, it all points to Jeshua (Jesus) as the LORD. All of it.
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Quoted: You can't really understand the NT without having the OT there as well. It's all intertwined and both are part of the grand story as it were. View Quote Attached File |
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Bible bashing post or maybe go and ask the preacher at your church you go to. In case you did not know you might get a better answer in the
Religion forum Some really great info and people there. ?? |
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AI-generated footage of Jesus at the Temple:
"I Am Altering the Deal, Pray I Don’t Alter It Any Further." |
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Quoted: It's quite telling when you read modern writings from the Jews themselves on how they now believe the Torah is largely non-factual and embrace it as a religious text but not actual history. It's ironic how many Christians claim the Old Testament is factual when the people who wrote it largely agree it is not. View Quote If it isn't factual, then how do you account for this?: This is known as the split rock located in Saudi Arabia (Biblically referred to as the land of Media), the rock that Moses is purported to have struck with his staff, where water came from. Hydrodynamic erosion is clearly visible at the base on both sides of the opening. It's at the NW side of Jabal Maqla (Arabic for "Burnt mountain"), aka Mount Horeb in the OT, which is the site where Exodus accounts of Moses' receipt of the 10 commandments, where God is supposed to have come down on the mountain like a fire. Examination clearly shows visible surface scorching of the rocks at the surface, but the inner basalt core is unaffected. Doubting Thomas Research Foundation discussion of the phenomenon At the foot of the mountain, there's this alter formation: Doubting Thomas Research Foundation discussion of the alter formation I find it difficult to pass off these things as mere coincidence. Worth looking into. |
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Quoted: If it isn't factual, then how do you account for this?: https://www.splitrockresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/T5_0992-018-SplitRock_Horeb-wide-enhanced.jpg This is known as the split rock located in Saudi Arabia (Biblically referred to as the land of Media), the rock that Moses is purported to have struck with his staff, where water came from. Hydrodynamic erosion is clearly visible at the base on both sides of the opening. It's at the NW side of Jabal Maqla (Arabic for "Burnt mountain"), aka Mount Horeb in the OT, which is the site where Exodus accounts of Moses' receipt of the 10 commandments, where God is supposed to have come down on the mountain like a fire. Examination clearly shows visible surface scorching of the rocks at the surface, but the inner basalt core is unaffected. Doubting Thomas Research Foundation discussion of the phenomenon At the foot of the mountain, there's this alter formation: https://doubtingthomasresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/altar-and-pillars.jpg Doubting Thomas Research Foundation discussion of the alter formation I find it difficult to pass off these things as mere coincidence. Worth looking into. View Quote The Saudis know it but are loathe to admit that Moses and the Jews were there and that where Yul Brenner/Pharoah and his army drowned was not on the west side of the Sinai Peninsula but on the east side. The Saudis even removed the column on their side of the Red Sea marking where the Jews crossed. Too bad as it would be a great boon to tourism there. |
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But... if we get rid of the Old Testament, how will we tell people it is against gods will to not tithe?
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If you take out Genesis, specifically the first 11 chapters then you remove the understand of and begging prophecy of Jesus Christ and redemptive history.
There are 2 main themes that stand out to me. First is God’s sovereignty over His creation and second is His undeserved mercy, blessings, and provision for His creation. I would say it’s the beginning of redemptive history, but Scripture tells us that “Worthy is The Lamb who was slain BEFORE the foundation of the world”. However, the book of Genesis sets the stage or what our Great God set into motion before His work in creation. It's my opinion that the book of Genesis isn’t a narrative about us. From the first few verses we see our Triune God, in His sovereignty, speaking into existence His creation. He establishes a creation order and hierarchy. He creates everything from nothing and man from dust of the ground. He blesses man with dominion and responsibility in His creation and blesses him with a helper suitable (a complimentary companion), Eve. However, The God who called mountains to be raised, and valleys to be cast down, seas and water to part, and spoke all of creation into existence, created man rebelled against. He defied the one standing commandment given by God. Succumbing to temptation and now guilty of sin against God, man was cast out of his perfect abode. Cursed to toil of the land and cursed in the pain of childbearing and cursed in a fallen flesh. That curse will be passed on to all descendants of Adam. All will be born into guilt of the fall. God could’ve destroyed Adam and Eve the moment they sinned. He had every right to. However, in His mercy he provided a covering for their nakedness (a covering alluding to the covering God’s elect will receive from the imputation of Christ Jesus finished work on the cross). God also, in His mercy, cast them out of Eden lest they eat of the tree of life. Granting them eternal life in a fallen state, and thus no way for The Lord Jesus Christ to die on the cross for us since The Lord Jesus is prophesied to the serpent (Satan) who led Eve into temptation that He will crush his head and he will bruise His heel. Christ Jesus would be fathered by God (as not to be born into the curse of Adam) and born of the seed of the woman. Fully God and fully man. So now out of the garden we see the beginning lineage of the promised Messiah. We also see man’s continual dive into depravity and rebellion to God’s authority and sovereignty. We see God destroy the earth with a flood and destroy Sodom and Gomorrah with fire and brimstone. But in that, we also see again the undeserved mercy and grace of our God in saving Noah and his family, and Lot and his. Continuing, we see God’s plan for the bloodline of Christ and key figures God has chosen to carry out His plan and a promise to Abraham, His servant, that he would be the father of all nations and his descendants would be more than the sands on a beach or stars in the sky. That through him, God, would raise up His chosen people. And through them, would come our redeemer, The Lord Jesus Christ. That's just the first 11 chapters of 39 books. Throughout the rest of the OT we have prophecies of the coming Messiah, wisdom of God, and a continued look at humans and how we fall short of the glory of God and are in desperate need of a Savior, Jesus Christ, because as Scripture says " And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". Death is coming for all of us, and so is judgement. |
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You can't appreciate forgiveness if you don't know how bad your ass could get kicked without it. Plus you need it all to know man's true nature.
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Quoted: Science has completely debunked much of the Old Testament to the point of where most modern Christians admit it is an allegory at best, and a conglomeration of the contemporary religions of the time in Canaan when it was written at worst. The Israelites were never enslaved in Egypt, never had an Exodus in the desert near the level the Bible describes, and most of the conquests of the Israelites were completely made up to try to establish their origin story. It has been well-proven the Old Testament was largely written around 600 BC, thousands of years after most of the claimed events occurred and the (lack of) accuracy of oral history is shown time and again in it's writings. Cities that didn't exist yet are referenced many times, timelines are all over the place, different things happen to the same people in different books, etc. The worst is the creation stories (there are 2 of them and they don't match) and the Flood myth (plagiarized from the older Epic of Gilgamesh). What value does the Old Testament still hold for modern Christians if it isn't true. View Quote Science has not debunked anything in the OT. Science isnt a body of facts and it certainly cant address the absolute beginning of the universe or life on this planet. Not one single event or location named in the OT has ever been refuted. And yes we do have evidence showing Israelites being in Egypt. Actually, the more we dig/uncover, the more accurate we find the Bible to be. There are not 2 creation stories. One simply goes into more detail. The Flood is not a myth. There is plenty of evidence to show the world was covered by water and the numerous flood stories from various cultures give it credibility. Stop being duped. |
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Quoted: The Old Testament was once thought to be a historical writing, but it seems modern Christianity has seen the light and seems to treat it largely as non-factual since the pro-slavery, anti-female, genocidal, and contradictory parts largely don't agree with the New Testament. It's quite telling when you read modern writings from the Jews themselves on how they now believe the Torah is largely non-factual and embrace it as a religious text but not actual history. It's ironic how many Christians claim the Old Testament is factual when the people who wrote it largely agree it is not. I'm surprised modern Christianity hasn't taken it out of the Bible yet (although getting ALL Christians to agree on anything is near impossible). Jesus' teachings in the New Testament (at times) seems to obsolete all of the old Law and replace it with new concepts, though the New Testament definitely relies on the prophesies laid out in the OT... Science has completely debunked much of the Old Testament to the point of where most modern Christians admit it is an allegory at best, and a conglomeration of the contemporary religions of the time in Canaan when it was written at worst. The Israelites were never enslaved in Egypt, never had an Exodus in the desert near the level the Bible describes, and most of the conquests of the Israelites were completely made up to try to establish their origin story. It has been well-proven the Old Testament was largely written around 600 BC, thousands of years after most of the claimed events occurred and the (lack of) accuracy of oral history is shown time and again in it's writings. Cities that didn't exist yet are referenced many times, timelines are all over the place, different things happen to the same people in different books, etc. The worst is the creation stories (there are 2 of them and they don't match) and the Flood myth (plagiarized from the older Epic of Gilgamesh). What value does the Old Testament still hold for modern Christians if it isn't true. View Quote Attached File |
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The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed.
The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. |
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I am not sure where you get your info., as what you say is really wrong,especially if you call yourself a Christian. I don't even know what you are talking about " modern Christianity", unless you are talking about cults and there many off-springs, that want to deny the books they don't like or want to change. Science has proven nothing about the bible not being correct. The Old Testament and New are all the inspired Words of God-the "I AM" - 2 Tim. 3:16-17 , and either you believe all of it or none, it is not for any of us to decide what to pick and choose. The Old Testament is very important as it does tell us of history and the Godly men of the bible. It is meant for us to learn by, appreciate what was done for us even for today and speaks of The Messiah and His lineage prior to becoming man/lowering Himself for our sake/souls.
There are more writings/copies about it than any other from the time. If we can't use/see that as fact, what can we say about the books of other non-biblical "important" men-Plato,Caesar,Aristotle,etc., where there are far fewer copies of their writings today than the bible. Are there writings more or less factual, even if we have fewer copies of theirs compared to the books of the bible? Have you forgotten or don't know what Jesus said about the Old Testament and the Law, He came not to change/destroy the law but to fulfill it-Matthew 5:17. With that you are wrong and so is everything else you say. One last question, how do you know the history of the Old Testament is wrong, were you there and who are the "Christians" that agree with what you say? I pray you see the error of your ways, repent and be thankful for the loving and kind God we have. You have one chance at accepting Him as your Lord and Savior while you live, after that comes the judgement- Hebrews 9:27. |
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You can't fully appreciate what Christ did for us when he died for our salvation and gave us an open dialog with THE LORD himself. Before the new testament there where sacrifices and ritual needed to communicate with THE LORD. His son Jesus Chist changed all that by becoming the conduit by which we can all have our prayers heard and have a personal relationship with THE LORD without the need for physical offerings or intermediaries like priests or popes.
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