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Posted: 1/30/2022 5:17:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, that's exactly my point. Zero tax rebates, recent price increases, and a 7-month wait for a Model Y (I just looked). They still can't build them fast enough for demand. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It appears to me that EVs would sell themselves with out massive government subsidies and economically knee caping the Internal combustion engine. They do. Tesla, the market leader, is a perfect example of that. Tesla hasn't qualified for the tax rebate in a few years. There is still a months long wait. Yup, that's exactly my point. Zero tax rebates, recent price increases, and a 7-month wait for a Model Y (I just looked). They still can't build them fast enough for demand. The wait for a Mustang Mach e is months-long if you order it too. And some dealers are up charging thousands. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 5:19:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From Exxon or Sunoco? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: global warming, electric cars, etc. are an investment scheme for the dems. They broadcast doom from global warming, pitch electric cars while they are heavily invested in the industry. Bredesen was pushing solar fairly hard, before he left the governor's mansion. Turned out he was heavily invested in solar. Quoted: But you do need electricity to fill a gas can. I've done it with a hand pump, a few times. From Exxon or Sunoco? From the 55 gallon drums that were used to store the 'contaminated' fuel that was regularly taken from the sumps of the big tanks that fed the pumps. You just have to make sure your handpump is pulling fuel from 8 inches or so above the bottom of the drum, so you aren't getting the water that settled in the bottom. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 5:22:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably because Tesla is a mostly luxury niche market and Elon stepped of the leftist reservation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tesla hasn't qualified for the tax rebate in a few years. There is still a months long wait. Tesla's volume is more than most of the premium manufacturers. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-brand/ The average new car price is $47k and the Model 3 comes in around $40k starting price. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38748092/new-car-average-sale-prices-47100/ |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 5:25:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well yeah, it's not efficient to run a house on a 22kw Generac either. But it's a convenience and a backup. Quote HistoryQuoted: Well yeah, it's not efficient to run a house on a 22kw Generac either. But it's a convenience and a backup. I don't have to run my house, but I do need to be mobile. Another point completely irrelevant to the discussion. But you do need electricity to fill a gas can. The motor to pump gas requires orders of magnitude less electricity than it takes to run a car. And I could do by hand if necessary. Yet another point completely irrelevant to the discussion. In over 14,000 miles since I bought my EV last spring I have taken exactly one road trip where I had to use DC Chargers. And what percentage of people do you think actually even own a car in places like Manhattan? And 110 is sufficient if you are commuting less than 30 miles a day. Also charges don't have to be in a garage, if you have a driveway you're good. So because it has worked for you under normal life conditions we should just be happy with the governments efforts to force EVs on us? Never mind I have noticed that your entire purpose in this thread is to try and flex on the poors. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 5:50:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Show me the math it would take have a solar array at your house that could keep an EV charged. Otherwise you have no idea what you are talking about. I'll show you the math for the chemistry set I keep in my garage to make gasoline. That's all the math I got, there isn't a chemistry set in my garage. There are a stack of 110 outlets and a few 220 outputs. If the government wants to control the movement of poors they won't turn the power off to their home, they will limit gas. If EVs are the new norm, the poors will be the last to adopt. They can't turn off one outlet in my garage, it's the whole house or nothing. As above, I have zero ability to make gas or diesel. I do have power at my home, there are options for creating power at home. Charging a car off a back up generation "isn't efficient", but hand pumping crude out of the ground and firing up your home refinery is? Regarding a "connected" car not starting or driving when it isn't "connected", how exactly would that work? No cell service in Montana, car won't start? Of course not, but the fear mongering needs some quasi believable story line to blindly follow. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 5:54:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll show you the math for the chemistry set I keep in my garage to make gasoline. That's all the math I got, there isn't a chemistry set in my garage. There are a stack of 110 outlets and a few 220 outputs. If the government wants to control the movement of poors they won't turn the power off to their home, they will limit gas. If EVs are the new norm, the poors will be the last to adopt. They can't turn off one outlet in my garage, it's the whole house or nothing. As above, I have zero ability to make gas or diesel. I do have power at my home, there are options for creating power at home. Charging a car off a back up generation "isn't efficient", but hand pumping crude out of the ground and firing up your home refinery is? You made the claim that you could run your EVs off of solar or wind power. You have no idea what that would take or what it would cost. LOL Charging a car off a back up generation, takes gas. I got you covered fam Just plug your EV in to this  |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:02:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You made the claim that you could run your EVs off of solar or wind power. You have no idea what that would take or what it would cost. LOL Charging a car off a back up generation, takes gas. I got you covered fam Just plug your EV in to this https://preview.redd.it/5qhvm3xqqy231.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0d799dbfaf65bfb3741e2c26c652fbebcdc95561 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll show you the math for the chemistry set I keep in my garage to make gasoline. That's all the math I got, there isn't a chemistry set in my garage. There are a stack of 110 outlets and a few 220 outputs. If the government wants to control the movement of poors they won't turn the power off to their home, they will limit gas. If EVs are the new norm, the poors will be the last to adopt. They can't turn off one outlet in my garage, it's the whole house or nothing. As above, I have zero ability to make gas or diesel. I do have power at my home, there are options for creating power at home. Charging a car off a back up generation "isn't efficient", but hand pumping crude out of the ground and firing up your home refinery is? You made the claim that you could run your EVs off of solar or wind power. You have no idea what that would take or what it would cost. LOL Charging a car off a back up generation, takes gas. I got you covered fam Just plug your EV in to this https://preview.redd.it/5qhvm3xqqy231.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0d799dbfaf65bfb3741e2c26c652fbebcdc95561 |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:08:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You made the claim that you could run your EVs off of solar or wind power. You have no idea what that would take or what it would cost. LOL Charging a car off a back up generation, takes gas. I got you covered fam Just plug your EV in to this https://preview.redd.it/5qhvm3xqqy231.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0d799dbfaf65bfb3741e2c26c652fbebcdc95561 I made a claim power can be generated at your house, gas can't. Generators can run off all kinds of things. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:13:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's actually not that tough to figure out the costs if one wanted to be self reliant for their EV. You're just being unnecessarily obtuse. I could probably do it in an hour or two and come up with an honest answer. But I ask the question only to point out that the claim was absurd and was made in the hopes that no one would question it. EV fans make a lot of absurd claims. You just made one in calling me unnecessarily obtuse. In rational debate the person making the claim is required to provide evidence. Maslin02 made a claim. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:17:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I made a claim power can be generated at your house, gas can't. Generators can run off all kinds of things. I'd like to see the math behind your claim. Because you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Never mind that the dystopian future you mention isn't even a thing. The system exists to get gas to gas stations. I can easily store gas for instances when that system falters. The system does not exist to power a free country driving EVs, and it probably never will. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:19:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I could probably do it in an hour or two and come up with an honest answer. But I ask the question only to point out that the claim was absurd and was made in the hopes that no one would question it. EV fans make a lot of absurd claims. You just made one in calling me unnecessarily obtuse. In rational debate the person making the claim is required to provide evidence. Maslin02 made a claim. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's actually not that tough to figure out the costs if one wanted to be self reliant for their EV. You're just being unnecessarily obtuse. I could probably do it in an hour or two and come up with an honest answer. But I ask the question only to point out that the claim was absurd and was made in the hopes that no one would question it. EV fans make a lot of absurd claims. You just made one in calling me unnecessarily obtuse. In rational debate the person making the claim is required to provide evidence. Maslin02 made a claim. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:22:24 PM EST
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Nothing but a power grab / wealth redistribution.
Electric cars are only available today because of government/crony manipulation. There would be very few otherwise. Once the transition goes far enough and soon, you will be taxed by mileage, you wont be saving a damn thing by switching. It is a trap. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:24:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The wait for a Mustang Mach e is months-long if you order it too. And some dealers are up charging thousands. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It appears to me that EVs would sell themselves with out massive government subsidies and economically knee caping the Internal combustion engine. They do. Tesla, the market leader, is a perfect example of that. Tesla hasn't qualified for the tax rebate in a few years. There is still a months long wait. Yup, that's exactly my point. Zero tax rebates, recent price increases, and a 7-month wait for a Model Y (I just looked). They still can't build them fast enough for demand. The wait for a Mustang Mach e is months-long if you order it too. And some dealers are up charging thousands. That’s not really a good indicator of anything right now. Every Acura model is a months long wait after you order. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:27:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your responses in this thread are the evidence of how obtuse you are to EV's. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm looking at rearranging the family motor pool this year, starting with a new truck for me. If I get the truck I want (difficult because of leftist market manipulation) my wife could get a small EV for her commute. She balked when I said she would have to keep half the garage clean. I'm not against EVs per se, they have a use. But I certainly believe the push for everyone driving an EV is a leftist plot to grab power. And an EV for someone poorer than me, someone that only has one vehicle for the family or is stupid. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:29:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I could probably do it in an hour or two and come up with an honest answer. But I ask the question only to point out that the claim was absurd and was made in the hopes that no one would question it. EV fans make a lot of absurd claims. You just made one in calling me unnecessarily obtuse. In rational debate the person making the claim is required to provide evidence. Maslin02 made a claim. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's actually not that tough to figure out the costs if one wanted to be self reliant for their EV. You're just being unnecessarily obtuse. I could probably do it in an hour or two and come up with an honest answer. But I ask the question only to point out that the claim was absurd and was made in the hopes that no one would question it. EV fans make a lot of absurd claims. You just made one in calling me unnecessarily obtuse. In rational debate the person making the claim is required to provide evidence. Maslin02 made a claim. Just stop it already. You are embarrassing yourself. Obtuse is a spot on descriptor for you. Your posts are absurd. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:32:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just stop it already. You are embarrassing yourself. Obtuse is a spot on descriptor for you. Your posts are absurd. Are you saying you know how much it would cost to put in a solar/hydroelectric/wind array that could run your house and charge EVs? |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:32:26 PM EST
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Define cheap.
Refineries can change cuts around a lot. But there will always be gas and diesel made. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:35:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you saying you know how much it would cost to put in a solar/hydroelectric/wind array that could run your house and charge EVs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just stop it already. You are embarrassing yourself. Obtuse is a spot on descriptor for you. Your posts are absurd. Are you saying you know how much it would cost to put in a solar/hydroelectric/wind array that could run your house and charge EVs? Bro |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:36:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you saying you know how much it would cost to put in a solar/hydroelectric/wind array that could run your house and charge EVs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just stop it already. You are embarrassing yourself. Obtuse is a spot on descriptor for you. Your posts are absurd. Are you saying you know how much it would cost to put in a solar/hydroelectric/wind array that could run your house and charge EVs? https://www.tesla.com/energy/design https://www.consumeraffairs.com/solar-energy/how-much-do-solar-panels-cost.html https://unboundsolar.com/solar-information/solar-cost |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:39:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol just stop. This was from a whopping 2 seconds of effort on google. https://www.tesla.com/energy/design https://www.consumeraffairs.com/solar-energy/how-much-do-solar-panels-cost.html https://unboundsolar.com/solar-information/solar-cost Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just stop it already. You are embarrassing yourself. Obtuse is a spot on descriptor for you. Your posts are absurd. Are you saying you know how much it would cost to put in a solar/hydroelectric/wind array that could run your house and charge EVs? https://www.tesla.com/energy/design https://www.consumeraffairs.com/solar-energy/how-much-do-solar-panels-cost.html https://unboundsolar.com/solar-information/solar-cost Do the Math!!!!!! Reeeee!!!!!! 
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Posted: 1/30/2022 6:57:25 PM EST
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These EV threads always end up being a" I got mine and I'm good "type argument. A lot of us will be priced out and unable to participate in the EV revolution of the top tier technology of charge at home power walls and whatever. We'll be stuck at home because we can't afford $6.00plus /gal gas. Enjoy sharing the road w/ the rich dems. A totally stratified society to save the planet. If the logic was as simple as these are Natgas powered vehicles w/ an energy conversion then that would make sense, keep gas as an alternate choice.
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Posted: 1/30/2022 7:04:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These EV threads always end up being a" I got mine and I'm good "type argument. A lot of us will be priced out and unable to participate in the EV revolution of the top tier technology of charge at home power walls and whatever. We'll be stuck at home because we can't afford $6.00plus /gal gas. Enjoy sharing the road w/ the rich dems. A totally stratified society to save the planet. If the logic was as simple as these are Natgas powered vehicles w/ an energy conversion then that would make sense, keep gas as an alternate choice. https://ev-lectron.com/collections/ev-charging-stations https://shop.tesla.com/product/wall-connector |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 7:06:55 PM EST
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Cheap diesel went out the window when most independent truck drivers now drive for corporate carriers and the fuel costs are tacked on to the consumer.
Truckers use to park their rigs when fuel costs went up. Not anymore. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 7:15:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol just stop. This was from a whopping 2 seconds of effort on google. https://www.tesla.com/energy/design https://www.consumeraffairs.com/solar-energy/how-much-do-solar-panels-cost.html https://unboundsolar.com/solar-information/solar-cost Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just stop it already. You are embarrassing yourself. Obtuse is a spot on descriptor for you. Your posts are absurd. Are you saying you know how much it would cost to put in a solar/hydroelectric/wind array that could run your house and charge EVs? https://www.tesla.com/energy/design https://www.consumeraffairs.com/solar-energy/how-much-do-solar-panels-cost.html https://unboundsolar.com/solar-information/solar-cost Hmm... What size solar system do I need? That’s why you’re here! Our solar power calculator takes the information you provide about your energy usage patterns and returns our best guess about how much solar energy you might need to generate. We must stress that this is just an estimate. Several more factors will impact your efficiency, like shade, roof material, temperature, mount angle, and so on. While we provide the most accurate figure we can, it’s impossible to provide an exact number until we know every detail about your project. Consult with a solar design technician to build a system that accounts for the inefficiencies and obstacles unique to your project. Is average hours of daily sunlight suitable for power generation somewhere in that "and so on"? That was the biggest factor that was completely ignored when a (now former) governor of TN was pushing hard for people to have solar installed in their homes, and the Nashville news media jumped onboard the sales train. I lost track of how many times I saw the claim that the system would be generating power for 12 hours a day (so we should use that for our calculations on how quick the system would pay for itself). I did a quick search and looked at charts from companies that sell the solar panels (not the installations) and middle TN averages 4.5 hours a day. My particular location is even worse, because my house is on a northwest facing hillside (great in summer, but sucks in winter). ETA: Looks like the hours of useable sunlight is a factor in their 'off-grid' calculator, but they include a warning that each installation will have factors specific to that installation (like being on a northwest facing hillside). |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 7:16:01 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ever heard of california? The people still stuck there would like to point out summer and fall.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You want to explain to the class why?? If you say the gov will cut off/limit electricity to stop people from traveling we will point at you and laugh. Ever heard of california? The people still stuck there would like to point out summer and fall.... That's not remotely what I ask.
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Posted: 1/30/2022 7:24:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FPNI Control. Gas represents freedom. Electric, cut the power, only mass transit, poor social credit scores are confined. Where the HELL are you people getting this from????????????? The gov will turn off the electricity to tens of million of people's homes to stop people from traveling but won't stop the sale of gas/diesel?????? You people are nuts. EVERY EV THREAD!!!!
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Posted: 1/30/2022 7:31:04 PM EST
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One big issue besides infrastructure is the cost of the vehicles. I can get a used Honda for 6k and drive it for150k miles with no more than 2-4k in maintenance over that time.
A used electric vehicle with 100k miles is going to cost more than that and require a 10k battery swap to do the same.thing. These cars are not affordable used or new unless battery tech becomes drastically cheaper or longer lasting. Only the upper class and fools who like to be debt slaves can afford electric cars . Most major manufacturers with affordable electrics are selling them at a loss and adding the coat to their gas fleet just to make sure fleet mileage is low enough to keep selling gas cars. You are going to be paying Tesla prices if they become the standard. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 7:46:41 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One big issue besides infrastructure is the cost of the vehicles. I can get a used Honda for 6k and drive it for150k miles with no more than 2-4k in maintenance over that time. A used electric vehicle with 100k miles is going to cost more than that and require a 10k battery swap to do the same.thing. These cars are not affordable used or new unless battery tech becomes drastically cheaper or longer lasting. Only the upper class and fools who like to be debt slaves can afford electric cars . Most major manufacturers with affordable electrics are selling them at a loss and adding the coat to their gas fleet just to make sure fleet mileage is low enough to keep selling gas cars. You are going to be paying Tesla prices if they become the standard. Good post, I would predict when EV's are the prevalent vehicle , we'll have UBI just because decarbonization will have ended so many occupations that can't retrain. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 7:55:32 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the Math!!!!!! Reeeee!!!!!! |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 7:59:24 PM EST
[#30]
Quoted: I’m assuming the high fuel costs are self inflicted on the part of the Dems to push us into electric vehicles. So what is the end game here? Give more power and control to foreign oil while weakening the US? Dems are getting greased by the car companies and businesses that are building the infrastructure that will be necessary to make all those cars work? Help me to understand all this fuckery. End game you say Power shift away from old conservative oil money controlling things Do away with gasoline you just effectively destroyed most every vehicle on the planet Excessive cost to have and maintain an EV means peasants no longer can afford transportation Now get to the back of the bus like you’re told Simple |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 8:00:46 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol just stop. This was from a whopping 2 seconds of effort on google. https://www.tesla.com/energy/design https://www.consumeraffairs.com/solar-energy/how-much-do-solar-panels-cost.html https://unboundsolar.com/solar-information/solar-cost Well, you still didn't provide the math. I am kinda curious why you're trying to stick up for muswhat'shisname. Are you his cousin, boyfriend, do you just go around trying to defend guys on forums? Are you a 2020 white knight? |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 8:21:32 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, you still didn't provide the math. I am kinda curious why you're trying to stick up for muswhat'shisname. Are you his cousin, boyfriend, do you just go around trying to defend guys on forums? Are you a 2020 white knight? We're all on the same ShareBlue EV misinformation team. Hail Soros. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 8:22:38 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, you still didn't provide the math. I am kinda curious why you're trying to stick up for muswhat'shisname. Are you his cousin, boyfriend, do you just go around trying to defend guys on forums? Are you a 2020 white knight? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol just stop. This was from a whopping 2 seconds of effort on google. https://www.tesla.com/energy/design https://www.consumeraffairs.com/solar-energy/how-much-do-solar-panels-cost.html https://unboundsolar.com/solar-information/solar-cost Well, you still didn't provide the math. I am kinda curious why you're trying to stick up for muswhat'shisname. Are you his cousin, boyfriend, do you just go around trying to defend guys on forums? Are you a 2020 white knight?  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 8:26:35 PM EST
[#34]
Its cheap right now. Your income went down a hell of a lot more than you realize.
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Posted: 1/30/2022 8:28:04 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just paid $4.30 a gallon for diesel. I know there are variables like taxes and proximity to refineries but that doesn’t seem cheap to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gas/diesel is cheap now. The push for electric cars is because TPTB have to pretend there's a civilized, carbon neutral future for 8 Billion people. Recently there's been a big push to reduce greenhouse gases other than CO2, like methane, because they have stronger effects and shorter halflives in atmo. That's pretty much the end of natural gas being considered a greener fuel and why fracking is viewed so negatively. I just paid $4.30 a gallon for diesel. I know there are variables like taxes and proximity to refineries but that doesn’t seem cheap to me. That’s 25 cents, which is a pretty fair price. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 8:34:39 PM EST
[#36]
Imagine how great it will be plugging your car in here....
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Posted: 1/30/2022 9:04:06 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: End game you say Power shift away from old conservative oil money controlling things Do away with gasoline you just effectively destroyed most every vehicle on the planet Excessive cost to have and maintain an EV means peasants no longer can afford transportation Now get to the back of the bus like you’re told Simple Good summary about the realities of a shift in technology. Back of the bus for the ambitious or just stay home on UBI and smoke legal weed. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 3:41:14 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have to run my house, but I do need to be mobile. Another point completely irrelevant to the discussion. The motor to pump gas requires orders of magnitude less electricity than it takes to run a car. And I could do by hand if necessary. Yet another point completely irrelevant to the discussion. So because it has worked for you under normal life conditions we should just be happy with the governments efforts to force EVs on us? Never mind I have noticed that your entire purpose in this thread is to try and flex on the poors. So you can pump gas from a gas station by hand, good for you, you must be really special. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 3:52:22 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You made the claim that you could run your EVs off of solar or wind power. You have no idea what that would take or what it would cost. LOL Charging a car off a back up generation, takes gas. I got you covered fam Just plug your EV in to this https://preview.redd.it/5qhvm3xqqy231.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0d799dbfaf65bfb3741e2c26c652fbebcdc95561 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll show you the math for the chemistry set I keep in my garage to make gasoline. That's all the math I got, there isn't a chemistry set in my garage. There are a stack of 110 outlets and a few 220 outputs. If the government wants to control the movement of poors they won't turn the power off to their home, they will limit gas. If EVs are the new norm, the poors will be the last to adopt. They can't turn off one outlet in my garage, it's the whole house or nothing. As above, I have zero ability to make gas or diesel. I do have power at my home, there are options for creating power at home. Charging a car off a back up generation "isn't efficient", but hand pumping crude out of the ground and firing up your home refinery is? You made the claim that you could run your EVs off of solar or wind power. You have no idea what that would take or what it would cost. LOL Charging a car off a back up generation, takes gas. I got you covered fam Just plug your EV in to this https://preview.redd.it/5qhvm3xqqy231.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0d799dbfaf65bfb3741e2c26c652fbebcdc95561 Actually it takes propane and I have never been without power long enough to run my 1,000 gal tank dry. Not in 43 years in Florida and being ground zero for several Hurricanes over the years. How was it working out for people who had to rely on the pipeline that was hacked last year? It looked a lot like it did back in the 1970s when all you could get was $5 worth on odd or even days to me. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 3:57:18 PM EST
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Quote HistorySo you can pump gas from a gas station by hand, good for you, you must be really special.  |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:02:12 PM EST
[#41]
Strangely enough I've never seen it where a gas station without electricity or a backup generator, which most of them still don't have, would let you dip a hand pump into their tank.
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:02:21 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually it takes propane and I have never been without power long enough to run my 1,000 gal tank dry. Not in 43 years in Florida and being ground zero for several Hurricanes over the years. How was it working out for people who I had to rely on the pipeline that was hacked last year? It looked a lot like it did back in the 1970s when all you could get was $5 worth on odd or even days to me. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdsN7oOryTD9BqAl7kBQWhM1jL-mNybaejHg&usqp=CAU So your solution is for everyone have a whole home generator and 1000 gal of propane? Nice flex bro. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:09:05 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Strangely enough I've never seen it where a gas station without electricity or a backup generator, which most of them still don't have, would let you dip a hand pump into their tank. I too have been through many major hurricanes, and can tell you that I would much rather have a gas vehicle. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:10:14 PM EST
[#44]
biden==good trump==bad
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:12:05 PM EST
[#45]
Quoted: I’m assuming the high fuel costs are self inflicted on the part of the Dems to push us into electric vehicles. So what is the end game here? Give more power and control to foreign oil while weakening the US? Dems are getting greased by the car companies and businesses that are building the infrastructure that will be necessary to make all those cars work? Help me to understand all this fuckery. Environmentalist Religion basically |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:16:19 PM EST
[#46]
They want to price private transportation out of reach of the average citizen. They want to force the bulk of the population into "walkable" urban centers where the population is dependant on mass transportation and can be watched more carefully.
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:19:23 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine how great it will be plugging your car in here.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/46582/maxresdefault-2260754.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:23:53 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you only drive ICE cars built before 2010 or so? Or like most GDers you have the most optioned out 2023 F350 they make? Bricking a car has nothing to do with the motor under the hood. Nothing about an EV requires it to be "online", that technology is present across all models these days. I don't own an EV, and I wouldn't own one as my only means of transportation. The idea that they are being forced upon us is absurd. I can drive down the street and buy 1000 ICE cars today, new on the lot. Want a Tesla? That will be a 9 month wait. Definitely feels forced. Don't want an EV? Don't buy one. But definitely go on GB and start the daily thread railing against the authoritarian government slamming them down your throat by doing (fill in the blank). The day is coming when you won't be able to purchase a new ICE powered passenger vehicle |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:25:53 PM EST
[#49]
Saw diesel for $3.44/gal this AM.
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:40:45 PM EST
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