I'll give @Naamah an example, but I am an enigma.

I always wanted commitment, exclusive relationship even at 17-18 years old; I wanted a girlfriend that was future marriage material.
Trouble was finding a girl who was of like mind.

I was 20 when I met my future wife, she was 18 and I quickly knew she was a keeper. Within about 2 weeks I expressed my desire for her to date only me, no other guys (most girls thought that controlling but if I'm not worth a trial of exclusivity then I'm probably not the one anyway). She was of like mind and wisely ignored her older sisters advice to maybe date other guys (horrible idea). Two months later we knew we would get married, just a matter of when. We waited till after she graduated college she was 21 and I was 23. Been married 32 years now.

God gifted me a best friend, who is (and was) a decent, trustworthy, loyal person. Like getting hit by lightning the odds of that are low. But, I got what I wanted and have had it a long time.

Its old order thinking that is convenient for a female centric social order because it pushes men to legally entangle themselves to ensure resource flow to women. Christians are feminists FIRST and everything they claim should be critically examined.

Agree its good to know someone. But you still don't know who they will be in 20 years.

haha I bet the girl in OP will tell the dudes she starts dating when she's 30 that she's "relatively chaste" and ready to settle down.

That's a refreshing story.

Cue the comment a pages back:  'Modern Western society is encouraging women to be like men, men to be more like women, and we're currently reaping the dark harvest.'

Transversely, it could be that many whores are just mentally ill.

Back when I was in an opening band the women came and went.

I wonder how many moms remember fondly the back stage pass.

I probably ain't even counted on the big pecker tally of their lives.

Shhhhh....  

Those subscribing to the current attitudes towards the differences (or lack thereof) between the sexes are going to have trouble processing microchimerism...

True, but I’ll probably be dead by then, so.

A google search by her future boyfriend  says she’s not,

Our story is pretty similar.

18 and 19 years old, married at 20/21. Still together. Still in love. Still best friends.

So you've essentially never dated, yet hold yourself in high regard as the authority on all things dating and relationships.

Not only do you not know what it's like to date as a man; you don't know what it's like to date as a woman.

Women today ARE NOT looking for what you were looking for. They were not raised like you. They are raised to be users, not partners.

And I tell the same thing to the dudes on here in the same situation. Married young and been that way for 30 or however many years trying to give advice on women is silly. You know what your one 50 year old woman likes.

That justification for dismissal always cracks me right up.

It’s like the teenager wailing at his parents “you just don’t know!!!!!!” like their existence is completely different and utterly alien. Protip: it isn’t.

We figured shit out early and didn’t spend time fucking around and fucking up. There is a place for the wisdom that comes from fucking around and fucking up. There’s also a place for the wisdom that comes from observing others’ fuckups and being intelligent enough to not repeat their errors in your own life. What’s funny is that you and your ilk lament about finding someone who figures their shit out early and doesn’t waste time fucking around and fucking up, but when presented with the opportunity to discuss things with someone who did exactly that or is exactly that you completely dismiss them and anything they have to offer because “they just don’t know!!!!”

Continue fucking around and fucking up. Refuse any advice from folks who did things differently. They can’t possibly know something you don’t. You got it all down. You seem to enjoy what you’re doing and where you’re at. Oh wait. You’re here whining and bitching about how it isn’t great. But that’s none of my business.

Except it's not like that. Everyone has been a teenager. You have not dated.

You didn't figure anything out. You got lucky, so far. Don't pretend that you were some wise relationship expert at 18.

Yeah we do say women should find a long term mate early for their sake and the man's. Not that they know anything with regards to dating. It would absolutely be more relevant to this thread to have a 30 year old recovering hoe in here telling us about the trials and tribulations of her dating life. That would be riveting.

Could say the same to you. Why do you hang out exclusively in dating threads? Aren't you fulfilled by your marriage?

I'm not fucking up. I do fine, and am not even in my prime yet. Not once have I bitched about my life, so swing and a miss there too. I'm early 30s, own a successful business, and am in great shape. Don't worry about me.

All I'm doing is telling people like you(older, married) how dating now, particularly when you're mid 20s-30s, is not the same as "I married my high school sweetheart in 1980, lemme tell ya the secret to getting women."

Dating, not necessarily.

But somebody who is actually in a long-term, healthy, happy relationship seems like a prime candidate to be a relative expert on relationships.

Oh, my mistake, it's the MGTOW types who are the actual relationship experts.

Look at the OP though. Is this thread about long term relationships? No

I never claimed to be an expert at long term relationships, and I don't think I've seen any other the other guys making similar points as me do that either.

If the thread were titled "how do I keep my marriage going" then I am utterly unqualified and would not post. To go further, if it was a female posting that; Naamah would no doubt have really good advice for her.

But as far as dating in 2022? MANY people in GD do not know what they're talking about. But that's what makes these threads so fun.

What I am looking for and will accept nothing less.  Nothing like going to the bar, class reunion, grocery store… and seeing all the people who slept with your girlfriend/ wife.

Exclusively in dating threads? Lol. Not so much. That’s just where I happen to encounter you. And yes, very fulfilled in my marriage. Would love to spread that joy to others so they can find happiness and fulfillment too.

And by your own admission you date women who you wouldn’t describe as marriage material. You’ve complained about the caliber of women available to you in today’s world. You’re fucking around. I’m not worried about you. Not a bit. I don’t know you from Adam’s house cat. I’m just calling it as I see it.

I think its more that they are taught to do ‘what makes them happy’, which means do whatever the fuck you want. There are almost NO consequences for female promiscuity save for STDs and/ or children but with children/ marriage, they have a paid way out that men don’t have. Single fathers don’t get shit but single mothers get another boyfriend/ income/ child support/ financial programs…
Not worth it in todays society to put my ass on the line for temporary co-habitating.

And my original comment in the thread was “some do, some don’t. As always, you choose the company you keep.”

Tangential conversations have arisen and my comments have included back and forth from there about healthy choices in long term partners. And they’ve been supported by others.

ETA: weren’t you just the other day (yesterday, perhaps) postulating that a woman with a career/education couldn’t possibly make a good wife? Why yes. Yes, you were.

There is info in every post that can be discarded and absorbed. Just because some of it may not apply, doesn’t mean it is all worthless/gold. The more info/ experiences, the better.

The fifth guy is really the one with the lowest standards.

I never had a shit to give about being my wife’s first. I just wanted to be her last… so I either had to be a good enough husband to keep forever, or bury her in the backyard.  I chose the former.

I dig my chicken farmer’s daughter.

Not true. Every girl I have dated I have enjoyed their company and who they were as people. I didn't just keep them around to fuck, if that's what you're suggesting. Unless you're fixating on the "marriage" contract which is a completely separate issue. Otherwise, not sure how you got that.

no? I was saying that the highly educated career-focused women likely wouldn't, as that has been my experience. The conservative ones especially often want the best of both worlds, independence and power from being a professional, and wonderful fulfilling home life too. Those are two full time jobs.

But this is a completely different topic from another thread so I'm not sure why you brought it up just to get it wrong.

Yes. Which is fine, honestly. They just have to realize there are consequences to living like that. Nobody teaches them that part. They do whatever they want until they're 30 and realized they fucked up, but it's often too late. If they know they want to be a career woman and don't want kids; live yo best life, girl.

CS is a whole other issue...

I do tend to converse with people based on prior interactions, rather than treating each new conversation as though it was a completely different individual with whom I had no previous interaction.

And I can quote the posts if need be, but regardless, there you were postulating on how marriages worked, what a good wife had to be, did and did not have to do, etc. And in this thread, you are stating that you would have no input on how to make a successful marriage work, but you were right over there posting in a thread regarding the behavior of husbands toward their wives.

That would be why I brought it up.

Ohh okay then yes you got me. I did suggest women being submissive to their man would have a positive effect on a marriage/LTR. I was wrong. I apologize.

No apology necessary.

I’m simply pointing out that people may have (or feel they have) potentially relevant advice to offer on topics with which they may have plenty of tangential or observational experience, but limited direct experience. The value of that potentially relevant advice should be weighed and considered in context by individuals considering the merit of said advice.

For instance, I have never owned a Belgian Malinois, but I feel very confident in saying they need a dedicated owner willing and able to give them the training, discipline, and physical and mental exercise they need, and lacking that, they will become bored, destructive, and potentially dangerous.

Next topic, please.

Dude… you got beat by more than a day.

The calculation was just a bit over 3.5 miles

Another way of saying that for this thread.

For instance, I have never owned a Belgian Malinois, whore but I feel very confident in saying they need a dedicated owner willing and able to give them the training, discipline, and physical and mental exercise they need, and lacking that, they will become bored, destructive, and potentially dangerous and start screwing other people.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

This right here times 100000. It’s like getting marital advice from a Catholic priest.  Or investment advice from a homeless guy.

Actually yes that is perfect





It's pretty ill-advised to take dating advice from a woman period. When you go fishing; you don't ask a fish which techniques work best. They'll be like "put bait on a line with no hook. works every time "

I’m sure y’all will find lovely wives any day now.

Any. Day. Now.

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I'm content with this "dark harvest", I've been with more women this year than all of my 40 other years combined.  After a 20 year marriage, I feel liberated, and don't carry an ounce of guilt.

Agree on the post.

on #3, it cracks me up every time I hear a single woman say she has a high paying job, works out and drives a nice car.

It sounds like she has become the type of man she's looking for instead of just asking a guy what he's looking for.

I will take shit that never happened for $500 Alex.

You seem like a nice person but your inexperience is obvious.

It wouldn't be right if I didn't do my usual post, but Imma phone it in

- 1 Paragraph of things I like about you (no bromo)
- 2 Paragraphs about this end of the world cultural rot
- 2 more paragraphs of MaRrY yOur GiRl YoU LiKe HeR
- 2 sentences with movie metaphors
- 1 giant paragraph that's sort of a summary, has some new thoughts I don't explain further, and about 5 misspellings so bad that you're not sure what I meant exactly.

That’s certainly a possibility, and you are absolutely free to hold that opinion.

I’ll only reply that I don’t base my advice and opinions only on my own experiences. I come from a long line of successful life-long relationships. There’s never been a divorce in my family. Not one. Not on my mother’s side, and not on my father’s side. No parents, siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, great grandparents, etc on our and down the line. I have had a lifetime of observing and experiencing successful, loving, lifelong marriages. I have seen what works and what works well both in the process leading up to marriage and once already married.

I have also seen friends, acquaintances, and complete strangers struggle, flounder, and fail to do the same. I have seen what doesn’t work and what fails spectacularly.

Perhaps that is lack of experience. Maybe I have no clue what I’m talking about. Maybe you do the exact opposite of everything I say and wind up in an ecstatically happy marriage or life long relationship. More power to you. I really hope you do.

Ok.  But just so you know, we’re docking your pay.

Slacker…

Hmm. Some thoughts in bullets
- Personally I think MOST people know fuck-all about Dating^TM in general. And that's fine . It makes them mortal and human.
I don't mean "no one knows", I just mean, MOST don't know. Like it's say to say 50% of people don't know.
Even those who had success might not know what to attribute their success to, it's just an inherently hard thing to do. We'll overvalue the things we value, and might ignore some things.
The "Haha Tee-hee Gee-Dee can't get laid haha!" brigade, if really pressed or quizzed on some of this, would have precious little to say.
Their knowledge might fill a thimble, and that's being generous.
Personally, I think many of them don't know shit, they just want to put themselves over by kicking sand on people.

- I also think people married back when Clinton was President would be floored (and at times horrified) to truly KNOW and process how the landscape has changed, and how bad the "middle of the pack" is. How common the bad-news-to-avoid people/behaviors are.

- Beautiful women, and dating advice, yeah, yikes.
One of the most insightful people on dating that I know, IS a pretty woman, but the rest.. nope.

They can have VERY interesting perspectives on things like, how often married men try to step out.
How other women will initiate mate-guarding behaviors just because she walked into a room. They can see some of the worst behaviors otherwise "normal" people have.
However, I think what you're scratching at is - my apologies I didn't read the rest of the posts in the chain and you likely spelled this out: women have a harder time understanding the male perspective of what options really are for them (IF* they have them and most men don't), how to navigate them, and how hard it is, and how that changes with age/region.  
On that I'm inclined to agree. It's tough, they can't know what they haven't seen, almost no one can, that's a special skill not a typical one.



On Naamah, AKA "Momma Grizzly" (I call her that, I think she doesn't mind )
- She's a tradwife who got married before OnlyFans was a thing and before swipe apps
- In a region that's received a lower % of the cultural rot even today, and way less so once upon a time (but she's not like "old" or anything)
- But went on to raise a family and have a TradChad Husband*
* Special bonus, she not only didn't get "Fat" (though I personally believe she'd probably be goodlooking throughout her entire weight range, she's one of those girls), she has never, seen run down her husband on this board. Like a maximum reverse sitcom wife

Brah we'd all be fortunate to marry a lady like that.
She has nothing in common with the women we have to left-swipe through by the hundreds, and probably doesn't know any on a first name basis.


What we're describing to her is a foreign planet.
She saw what she saw then, and sees what she sees now (mostly married people in stable marriages, with children).
She fuckin hates Thots as much as we do.
I PERSONALLY would like to see her throw more fastballs at Thot-behavior, but we would be putting her on trial for something basically no women do
Women don't really do that - that's a male behavior we do to eachother.
I've had tons of disagreements with her (mostly in the past ) about what's "out there" now, which has lead me to a theory.
And I think this applies to her and some of the other people who got married early and a long time ago.
Follow me on this.


The Theory:
The more "urbanized' an area, the worse the cultural rot.
IMHO states/areas with bluer voting, that tend to be more urban, those people aren't out and about helping a neighbor with a fallen tree, their neighbor is the TV newscaster, woke televangelist.
They get the gospel piped in every day.
Their coworkers? In their office they will get a pure wokester or two.
It's like radiation, they will get exposed.
They get a much higher ratio of the MSM-cultural poison, and they also feed it down to their children.
Even the "moderate" parents have a higher % of woke cultural crap views and naïve ideas about parenting.
In the regions where the Hollyweird/TV "values" consumption is highest, I think we see the highest % of mentally ill people being given a platform and their bad behaviors justified and called Stunning And Brave^TM for thumbsie-uppies and clicks.

I'm not saying you don't get assholes in Rural areas.
I'm just saying the sexual marketplace degeneracy we see today is WORSE in areas where the cultural-ruiners have greater influence.
The darker blue areas.


Naamah out in the countryside is basically the Galapagos Islands, it's got its own ecosystem and subspecies that couldn't flourish in our wastelands.
There, a woman can be built like Tomb Raider and not have an onlyfans page nor step out on the husband, nor be "tempted" to nor consider it a serious idea.
A citygirl that's a 7.001/10?
That's NICE?
And has a low partner count?
Fucking WAY rarer than that should be.

absolutely.

the Ying and Yang.

What's crazy is - our western culture, rotted so fast, that people within the same lifetime sound "crazy" to eachother talking about what they saw.
Jesus Christ right?
Like, inside 10-20 years and we're speaking different languages. What in the fuck.

I’ve been married a long time. I know so much more about women than I thought I knew when I was single.  If I had to chase girls now, I’d be much better at it. Age would be my only handicap.

Ay man, at some point we'll get a good thread and we'll all go HAM