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Posted: 10/15/2024 6:47:09 PM EDT
As the U.S. workforce grows older, the problems around ageism in the office are coming to a head. Elder millennials, Gen X, and boomer employees all say they're experiencing serious discrimination issues, and it's hurting their morale. About 90% of U.S. workers aged 40 or older say they have experienced ageism in the workplace, according to a new report from Resume Now, a jobs platform. The most glaring example is compensation nearly half of these older workers report earning less than their younger colleagues, according to the study. And the same proportion of respondents, about 49%, say they make less money than Gen Z and younger millennial workers for doing the same job. Older millennials, Gen Xers, and boomers say they're also being given fewer opportunities to progress in their roles, creating barriers in their career growth. About 22% of employees 40 years or older say their work environments skip over older colleagues for challenging assignments, according to the report. Nearly all survey participants said that ageism limits their access to professional development and training services, and around 16% of respondents say their employer engages in a pattern of passing over older workers for promotions in favor of younger counterparts who may have fewer qualifications. Unsurprisingly, this ageism is impacting the way workers show up to their jobs. Discrimination bulldozes employee well-being: of workers aged 40 or older who have faced ageism, 45% say the bias made them feel isolated and lonely, 44% suffered from depression, and 36% experienced anxiety. Unfortunately, ageism can be difficult to prove and police, putting up roadblocks for affected staffers to advocate for themselves. About 94% of survey participants who have faced age bias say they have reported the discrimination to their HR teams, but only 45% say that HR mediated the situation. Among workers who have faced ageism, about 37% of those who reported the situation say the ageist coworker was given a warning, 30% said they got a slap on the wrist but weren't fired, 23% say the person was terminated, and 5% said administration took no action. There's no doubt that the workforce is getting older. And as long as ageism persists, HR leaders must work to help companies dismantle their bias, create more equitable career advancement opportunities, and recognize that America's aging workforce should be respected for their contributions. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 6:49:57 PM EDT
[#1]
> Refuses to use that gat dang email
> Mad the zoomer makes 50% more |
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USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 6:50:47 PM EDT
[#2]
In before the fixed income advisors!
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Posted: 10/15/2024 6:51:06 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UTex86: > Refuses to use that gat dang email > Mad the zoomer makes 50% more  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 6:52:55 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UTex86: > Refuses to use that gat dang email > Mad the zoomer makes 50% more Do you have any idea when email started being used regularly? This is for those over 40. Not those over 70. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 6:55:21 PM EDT
[#5]
Well, if I am being honest, at 49 yrs old I am not as sharp as I was in my late 20's. Used to struggle working with older people who could barely work a computer and now I find myself to be that person. Oh well. Life sucks. What can I say.
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:00:52 PM EDT
[#6]
Originally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: As the U.S. workforce grows older, the problems around ageism in the office are coming to a head. Elder millennials, Gen X, and boomer employees all say they're experiencing serious discrimination issues, and it's hurting their morale. About 90% of U.S. workers aged 40 or older say they have experienced ageism in the workplace, according to a new report from Resume Now, a jobs platform. The most glaring example is compensation nearly half of these older workers report earning less than their younger colleagues, according to the study. And the same proportion of respondents, about 49%, say they make less money than Gen Z and younger millennial workers for doing the same job. Older millennials, Gen Xers, and boomers say they're also being given fewer opportunities to progress in their roles, creating barriers in their career growth. About 22% of employees 40 years or older say their work environments skip over older colleagues for challenging assignments, according to the report. Nearly all survey participants said that ageism limits their access to professional development and training services, and around 16% of respondents say their employer engages in a pattern of passing over older workers for promotions in favor of younger counterparts who may have fewer qualifications. Unsurprisingly, this ageism is impacting the way workers show up to their jobs. Discrimination bulldozes employee well-being: of workers aged 40 or older who have faced ageism, 45% say the bias made them feel isolated and lonely, 44% suffered from depression, and 36% experienced anxiety. Unfortunately, ageism can be difficult to prove and police, putting up roadblocks for affected staffers to advocate for themselves. About 94% of survey participants who have faced age bias say they have reported the discrimination to their HR teams, but only 45% say that HR mediated the situation. Among workers who have faced ageism, about 37% of those who reported the situation say the ageist coworker was given a warning, 30% said they got a slap on the wrist but weren't fired, 23% say the person was terminated, and 5% said administration took no action. There's no doubt that the workforce is getting older. And as long as ageism persists, HR leaders must work to help companies dismantle their bias, create more equitable career advancement opportunities, and recognize that America's aging workforce should be respected for their contributions. This was discussed in a meeting about 15 years ago. There were only 9 of the 20 or so employees that were supposed to be there. The yoots decided they were not going to show up, as the meeting was being requested by the people that showed up to discuss account distribution. Us older fucks were getting the short end of the stick, while servicing low commision/high maintenance accounts. The accounts were split up more fairly. About half of the yoots pissed, moaned, stomped their feet, and quit or got fired. Granted, a couple of the old fucks should have been fired as well, but that was for another day. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:05:17 PM EDT
[#7]
I'm 47 and was promoted twice in 7 months. The first time was in March of 2024 and I got a $9,000 a year raise and then I was promoted again two weeks ago and got an $18,000 a year raise.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:06:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Procyon]
[#8]
Two people at my company recently got promoted.
One to the level I’m at. She’d been with the company only 9 months and couldn’t do anything with product line she was charged with leading. But still got promoted. The other person has more tenure at the company, but he was unable to do anything with the product line that he was leading. He was promoted from my level to the next level higher (highest IC level). I left the product I’d taken from 0 to 1 (from nothing to launch and rapid growth) which is growing 20% QoQ (it’s really on fire). I then took over a stagnant product and have it growing 25% YoY from 2023. They’re at least 10-15 years younger than I am. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:06:41 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTallest: I'm 47 and was promoted twice in 7 months. The first time was in March of 2024 and I got a $9,000 a year raise and then I was promoted again two weeks ago and got an $18,000 a year raise.  
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:07:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Ageism is real, and it will happen to you at some point.
I saw a department get gutted by 50%, and it was only the older people with gray hair that got let go. This was a huge multi-national company…. They justified it by saying those were the most expensive (ie experienced) employees. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:07:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTallest: I'm 47 and was promoted twice in 7 months. The first time was in March of 2024 and I got a $9,000 a year raise and then I was promoted again two weeks ago and got an $18,000 a year raise. And all that is about to stop for you lol. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:08:36 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTallest: I'm 47 and was promoted twice in 7 months. The first time was in March of 2024 and I got a $9,000 a year raise and then I was promoted again two weeks ago and got an $18,000 a year raise. Man, your bootstraps are probably worn out. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:09:02 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UTex86: > Refuses to use that gat dang email > Mad the zoomer makes 50% more Zoomers don't email. They text. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:09:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: anymanusa]
[#14]
At my company they're paying 20-30 yr veterans 70-90k a year, and then they are turning around and hiring fresh grads at 70-75k a year. Some old folks are rightfully angry, and the output from the new grads is not high in 90% of the cases.
I'm saying I see it and it's happening where I work and it's just enticing bullshit for a young generation that would rather be doing anything other than working. The company can't keep them here so they keep offering THEM more money and status and the old guys get to keep their same pay and job since they have been such loyal servants to the company. It's pretty fucked up. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:09:40 PM EDT
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NV, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:09:59 PM EDT
[#16]
Rent is going up and the renter class needs more fiat currency to own less and be happy. 🤔
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:10:37 PM EDT
[#17]
OP has caught on to what's been going on for over a decade. Older white men are being replaced by DEI hires or youngsters.
We have seen it all. We don't make the mistakes that the youngsters do, therefore we were paid more. Nope, not any more. The companies do it at their own risk, but that doesn't help if you are unemployed. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:12:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trout_Hunter: Do you have any idea when email started being used regularly? This is for those over 40. Not those over 70. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trout_Hunter: Originally Posted By UTex86: > Refuses to use that gat dang email > Mad the zoomer makes 50% more Do you have any idea when email started being used regularly? This is for those over 40. Not those over 70. It was ubiquitous when I started my career. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:12:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTallest: I'm 47 and was promoted twice in 7 months. The first time was in March of 2024 and I got a $9,000 a year raise and then I was promoted again two weeks ago and got an $18,000 a year raise. Save some strap tightening for the rest of us |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:14:02 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTallest: I'm 47 and was promoted twice in 7 months. The first time was in March of 2024 and I got a $9,000 a year raise and then I was promoted again two weeks ago and got an $18,000 a year raise. Thank the freaking Lord for your good fortune, I have been passed over in favor of every minority known to Man, definitely including inexperienced youngsters. Management and HR say they don't understand why I'm not getting promoted. Right, sure, Pal. I'm 58, been with the company 22 years. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:15:20 PM EDT
[#21]
I’m an elder millennial and I was promoted in 2016 and 2021. Working on a promotion for 2024/25.
We will find out. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:16:00 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marinehog: Rent is going up and the renter class needs more fiat currency to own less and be happy. 
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:17:08 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwnc: OP has caught on to what's been going on for over a decade. Older white men are being replaced by DEI hires or youngsters. We have seen it all. We don't make the mistakes that the youngsters do, therefore we were paid more. Nope, not any more. The companies do it at their own risk, but that doesn't help if you are unemployed.  |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:17:41 PM EDT
[#24]
Maybe the lost water cooler social interactions have stopped disguising their atrocious lack of production compared to WFH zoomers who actually produce
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:18:23 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doolyd: Well, if I am being honest, at 49 yrs old I am not as sharp as I was in my late 20's. Used to struggle working with older people who could barely work a computer and now I find myself to be that person. Oh well. Life sucks. What can I say. Same. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:18:25 PM EDT
[#26]
That's weird because we're told that older people work so much harder.
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:18:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jacon]
[#27]
Youngsters are being promoted too quickly and have 7-10yrs less knowledge and experience. It shows.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:19:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10mmManiac]
[#28]
It's partially true, mostly because those of us 40+ have had long standing successful careers, hold a lot of certifications, education, and experience companies just do not want to pay for. I've been passed over for multiple roles now because of that very reason, at the recruiters didn't ghost me and were up front about it. For the tech world as at least, they don't want to hire folks that are going to demand bigger salaries unless they are looking to fill very senior roles for specifics or leadership roles. Then they bitch when they can't keep roles filled or hire individuals that end up not really knowing what the hell they are doing.
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:19:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I’m an elder millennial and I was promoted in 2016 and 2021. Working on a promotion for 2024/25. We will find out. I'm an elder millennial and I have never been promoted, I'm in the same role I started in on day 1 at this company
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:19:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cubsfanbudman]
[#30]
Im 59 and am leaving my job of 15 years and taking a new one that pays 51K more F the zoomers
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:21:16 PM EDT
[#31]
Sounds like an “ office “ problem.
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:22:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Airborne11B]
[#32]
41 year old white cybersecurity guy here….haven’t had any issues getting promotions or into higher pay bands….and this is with me just getting into the field when I was 35…maybe the people refuse to put in the work to maintain or improve the skills at their jobs?
I’ve taken and gotten 4 major SANS and ISC2 certifications over the last two years (besides the 4 I already had since 2018)…yeah it’s extra work but it makes me more valuable and gives me the leeway to ask for more money or threaten to walk to someone who will. I started at 75k fresh out of college and out of the Army in mid 2018 and now I make 150(ish). |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:23:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GreyGhost]
[#33]
Industrial HVAC Mechanic here and in our Industry the older guys make the most because we are more experienced and typically more knowledgeable.
In the past 2 years I’ve sent 3 apprentices back to the shop because of a combination of always late,lazy or just dumb.I've finally found one that beats me to the jobsite every day and actually wants to work.I’m not giving him up. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:26:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10mmManiac]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airborne11B: 41 year old white cybersecurity guy here….haven’t had any issues getting promotions or into higher pay bands….and this is with me just getting into the field when I was 35…maybe the people refuse to put in the work to maintain or improve the skills at their jobs? I’ve taken and gotten 4 major SANS and ISC2 certifications over the last two years (besides the 4 I already had since 2018)…yeah it’s extra work but it makes me more valuable and gives me the leeway to ask for more money or threaten to walk to someone who will. I'm in the same industry and not a knock on you, but they love paper tigers. I refuse to chase certifications just because, 99% of them prove you know how to take a test well, that's it. I've had to deal with folks that stack certs deep, then end up not being able to perform once in the driver seat and the SIEM's start screaming. Also prior military service will carry you a long long way in our field. Don't know why, but it does. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:27:00 PM EDT
[#35]
“How do I open a .pdf, again?”
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:30:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: callgood]
[#36]
Workers over 40 say they’re being passed over for promotions and cut out of higher salaries  maybe they should unionize. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:31:33 PM EDT
[#37]
I warned you millennials about this a decade ago. Ya’ll spent so much time and energy bitching about the boomers, that now, Suddenly and without warning, you’re Over The Hill too.
GenX still don’t GAF. We directed all of our anger, toward achieving success and planning for retirement without SSI. (but if it pays out, It’ll cover another Porsche or vacation house). |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:33:24 PM EDT
[#38]
not seeing it here, i can say i saw first hand multiple times when i was with IBM. my mentor got "laid off" 2 years before hitting his pension age and was replaced same day with a 20yr kid at the bottom of the pay scale.
he sued and won biggly. IBM admitted in court it was their normal tactic and simply cheaper to pay out the guys that sued them rather than pay the pension and benefits for the majority of guys that would just walk away from it. saw it again several years later when they came in with an auditor and targeted only the guys over 50 or those at the top of the pay scale. they dinged every minor thing to the point of looking at under 1.00 transactions for parts and delivery. many cases they were told to handle a specific way by support. Those guy were not fired but put on probation for 5 years for no raises or promotions. Assuming they would be allowed to retire they all took it and stayed. ALL of them were let go with cause within 12 months of their retirement due to the agreement they signed. Age discrimination is a real thing in some companies. Others actually recognize the value of experience. Moral of the story find a good company and pray it doesn't go to shit before you can retire. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:34:01 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cubsfanbudman: Im 57 and am leaving my job of 15 years and taking a new one that pays 51K more F the zoomers |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:34:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Airborne11B]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmManiac: I'm in the same industry and not a knock on you, but they love paper tigers. I refuse to chase certifications just because, 99% of them prove you know how to take a test well, that's it. I've had to deal with folks that stack certs deep, then end up not being able to perform once in the driver seat and the SIEM's start screaming. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmManiac: Originally Posted By Airborne11B: 41 year old white cybersecurity guy here….haven’t had any issues getting promotions or into higher pay bands….and this is with me just getting into the field when I was 35…maybe the people refuse to put in the work to maintain or improve the skills at their jobs? I’ve taken and gotten 4 major SANS and ISC2 certifications over the last two years (besides the 4 I already had since 2018)…yeah it’s extra work but it makes me more valuable and gives me the leeway to ask for more money or threaten to walk to someone who will. I'm in the same industry and not a knock on you, but they love paper tigers. I refuse to chase certifications just because, 99% of them prove you know how to take a test well, that's it. I've had to deal with folks that stack certs deep, then end up not being able to perform once in the driver seat and the SIEM's start screaming. 100%. I’ve met plenty of CISSPs and CISSMs that were borderline fuckin retarded. I’m in a pretty niche cyber field for the USG (satellite and ground station security) and a lot of our ingest stuff is going to the cloud as well as SDRs (software defined radios). If you don’t take certs, my job will leave your ass behind with a quickness and I’m not even the one in the weeds…I’m the guy evaluating risk and architecture for 18 different LEO/GEO/LaGrange birds and associated ground/secure ingest systems. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:36:31 PM EDT
[#41]
I got a decent raise today out of the blue (and because I sometimes do a decent job
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:37:56 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncle_big_green: I got a decent raise today out of the blue (and because I sometimes do a decent job ). |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:43:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I warned you millennials about this a decade ago. Ya'll spent so much time and energy bitching about the boomers, that now, Suddenly and without warning, you're Over The Hill too. GenX still don't GAF. We directed all of our anger, toward achieving success and planning for retirement without SSI. (but if it pays out, It'll cover another Porsche or vacation house). 
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:44:07 PM EDT
[#44]
all the skipped over guys should get together and start their own company. They have all the knowledge just becuase they are tired and hate change shoudnt stop them.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:45:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airborne11B: 100%. I’ve met plenty of CISSPs and CISSMs that were borderline fuckin retarded. I’m in a pretty niche cyber field for the USG (satellite and ground station security) and a lot of our ingest stuff is going to the cloud as well as SDRs (software defined radios). If you don’t take certs, my job will leave your ass behind with a quickness and I’m not even the one in the weeds…I’m the guy evaluating risk and architecture for 18 different LEO/GEO/LaGrange birds and associated ground/secure ingest systems. 99% of CISSP's I've known are just paper tigers and got it to tick the box to climb into management. Some of the best engineers that I've worked with and lead were folks with next to no education and no certs. Then again I can see through most people, I came from the intelligence side of things then went into Cyber later on. But I can see where you are coming from, working on gov contracts sucks, and those requirements for cert chasing can be tiresome. I had two AF cyber command guys onboard to my team just before I left, they were puzzled why we hired them even though they were missing some key experience and certs. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:46:00 PM EDT
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Shit, that happened to me almost 20 years ago. The company brought in a new GM to cut costs and turn around the division. I was number two, salary-wise, in a plant with 300 employees. I knew I had a target on my back. Sure enough, about 12 months later, they let me go. I was friends with the HR manager, and she told me they hired my replacement (who was 15 years younger) for exactly half of what I was making. That was my last "corporate" job.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:47:26 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwnc: OP has caught on to what's been going on for over a decade. Older white men are being replaced by DEI hires or youngsters. Absolutely. And the endless cycle of downgrading jobs. Your Director gets promoted or leaves? We post it as a Sr. Manager and 1/2 the pay. Also, the DEI hiring managers get a green light for rampant Nepotism. Business Unit VP is Indian? 12 months later his whole staff is Indian. Quality manager is Latina? Somehow all her people become Latina over a few years. Instead of being frowned on, this gets celebrated. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:48:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bullsi191145: Ageism is real, and it will happen to you at some point. I saw a department get gutted by 50%, and it was only the older people with gray hair that got let go. This was a huge multi-national company…. They justified it by saying those were the most expensive (ie experienced) employees. This, we just when thru a purge, even let a 25 yr employee over 60 with cancer go, he was in a support role and not carrying a bag, they all were let go. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:50:06 PM EDT
[#49]
Don't care, I'm within a year or two of retiring and then they can all fuck off.
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Posted: 10/15/2024 7:50:54 PM EDT
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Company I work cannot find anyone under 40 that can pass a drug test , has a valid driver's license , and has a driving record clean enough to get covered by insurance.
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