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Posted: 6/5/2012 3:50:14 PM EST
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Nuke delivery vehicle? My guess is it's a reconnaissance spysat. The main limitation of a spy/reconnaissance satellite is that they're on a fixed orbit until they maneuver, then, they only have a limited amount of maneuvering fuel on board. Once it's gone, it's gone. The satellite can't come back for more gas. The enemy knows when the satellite's coming around, and they hide their shit. Move the orbit to change the timing of the flyovers, or the latitudes it's covering when and where too much, and you've got a multi million dollar/billion dollar disposable Bic lighter up there. Now it can't even do basic station-keeping/housekeeping maneuvers to stay up in it's proper orbit, much less change orbits. So I'm thinking the main purpose of the X-37 is to act as a short duration spy satellite platform that can return to be refurbished on a regular basis, and can then keep our enemies guessing, because it can burn more fuel changing up it's orbit because ultimately, when it's low on fuel, it can come back for more, and be launched again. Either that or it actually can dock with spysats already up there and refuel them. Or perhaps it does both. However, as NUCdt04 points out, it's probably more efficient for the X-37 to keep it's fuel for itself and carry it's own cameras, and just be able to change up it's orbits as needed, than to waste fuel getting to a satellite, and refueling it, every pound of fuel takes x-pounds to move it and so on, so the point of diminishing returns for the craft to act as a tanker/tender, plus the complexity of rendezvous and docking, just seem like it's too much of a PITA. An orbital bomber is a dark horse candidate for a potential purpose of the X-37. However that violates treaties on arms in space, OTOH, we're very interested in even just conventional bombing from orbit or suborbital launches, to do deep strikes and quick strikes/force projection in areas it takes time to get a carrier group to, or into landlocked enemy nations where we don't have overflight rights, or friendly bases nearby. While it violates the space weapons treaty, the problem with a sub-orbital missile ICBM/IRBM is it looks no different than a nuke, and gets everyone's panties in a wad, unless we call them first, which blows the element of surprise. IMHO- Since it has basically half it's internal volume dedicated to "payload", it could be tasked with any of the above missions, and probably more than one per deployment. It's modularity and flexibility would probably surprise even the most imaginative among us. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 4:08:08 PM EST
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My opinion FWIW is that the B is merely a technology testbed and proof of concept. I will go ahead and predict that we will not be producing anymore X-37Bs. You may be correct, and if they do build something new it's likely to be an upgrade. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 4:19:37 PM EST
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Man, I bet that door gunner is bored out of his fucking mind!  True, but he has seen things you people wouldn't believe! |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 4:26:38 PM EST
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cool stuff! Just waiting for it to begin disgorging space marines! 
Supposedly the next variant will be capable of carrying human cargo. I think six occupants in the cargo bay. So, you're basically saying that this... 
...could be the new this... 
Who knows? Eventually maybe, with some kind of short/rough runway and para-glide landing system. As is, I would think a well prepared runway would be necessary. I can't imagine how high the vallue a target would have to have to justify such a response. Down the road... it could be as common as a HALO deployment. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 5:44:15 PM EST
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cool stuff! Just waiting for it to begin disgorging space marines!
Supposedly the next variant will be capable of carrying human cargo. I think six occupants in the cargo bay. So, you're basically saying that this... http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7645/x37b.jpg ...could be the new this... http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8970/sealvehicle.jpg Who knows? Eventually maybe, with some kind of short/rough runway and para-glide landing system. As is, I would think a well prepared runway would be necessary. I can't imagine how high the vallue a target would have to have to justify such a response. Down the road... it could be as common as a HALO deployment. Uhhh, not quite. First, you need the considerably larger C model. Next, you need a seperate human reentry vehicle which fits in the payload bay. These would be engineered for the fastest possible reentry profile given material, size and weight limitations. X-37C lifts off with team onboard... Probably a two man sniper team, fitting four would be an amazing feat. At a determined point, the reentry pod seperates and does the most high speed low drag insertion in history, the pod parachuting the last little bit, rather like a Mercury-Gemini-Apollo-Soyuz capsule. On landing, team hauls ass away from landing site. Spacecraft returns home. Team would exfil through other means Advantages: 1) Anywhere in the world in 3-4 hours if you have a vehicle, payload and team ready. 2) For now, there is jack shit anyone could do to deny insertion (except maybe the Moscow defense net). 3) It's fucking EPIC! Disadvantages: 1) Costs a shitload. 2) High risk. 3) Small team, limited utility. 4) There would be NO HIDING or DENYING the method, area and source of insertion. You would NEVER land a state of the art spaceplane at an airfield you do not absolutely control. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 6:09:19 PM EST
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Met a beef jerky sales rep at the last gun show I went to who went up on the first X-37 mission. He said he was a member of a 2 man knife team who went up and sabotaged enemy satellites by cutting their power cables. I have no reason to disbelieve him..
Honestly though I think this is a new spyplane. Maybe just a new gen spysat that can come down for more fuel. But who really knows. I think its awesome that so many people could work to build a craft, design its cargo and carry out the mission- without saying a word about what it does. Must be a hell of a feeling to be a part of something like that! |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 6:38:42 PM EST
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There are two of these birds aloft right now.
Maneuverable recce is my opinion. Makes sense, this is a capability we've needed since the first satellite mission was thunk up. Over the long haul it's more cost effective to relaunch this vehicle than attempt to put up a massively complex and huge satellite with limited and very poor maneuverability on a one way trip. This vehicle can operate at lower altitudes than desirable for a satellite that requires a long duration mission, so the quality of the data collected is better, too. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 7:07:28 PM EST
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There are two of these birds aloft right now. Maneuverable recce is my opinion. Makes sense, this is a capability we've needed since the first satellite mission was thunk up. Over the long haul it's more cost effective to relaunch this vehicle than attempt to put up a massively complex and huge satellite with limited and very poor maneuverability on a one way trip. This vehicle can operate at lower altitudes than desirable for a satellite that requires a long duration mission, so the quality of the data collected is better, too. no shit. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:13:56 PM EST
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The only thing that I can see that it does that certain other satellites can't do is survive re-entry. I'm guessing that its real purpose is to bring something down intact, but I do not know what that would be. The idea that it is very maneuverable when it is in orbit does not look correct to me, as it has to carry heat shielding and aerodynamic surfaces that an unmanned satellite doesn't have to carry, and those things have mass that could have instead been fuel and containers for fuel. A non-aerodynamic satellite that would be expendable looks like it would have a larger maneuvering margin once it was in orbit.
The idea that it could be for a sudden pop-up mission to recon some location may be correct, but that would not imply the ability to stay up in orbit for over a year, and also does not imply the need to recover the vehicle after re-entry. If they needed a recon platform for sudden pop-up missions, why does it have a heat shield? Why couldn't it just send down its data by encrypted radio? Also, this vehicle used the Atlas booster for lift off, and those boosters require a lot of set up time on the launch pad before the mission. I don't think this vehicle is the sort of thing that is supposed to sit in a silo somewhere for years "just in case". We might still find out, Obama might leak its purpose just like Carter leaked the existence of Stealth just before the election. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:18:11 PM EST
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There are two of these birds aloft right now. Maneuverable recce is my opinion. Makes sense, this is a capability we've needed since the first satellite mission was thunk up. Over the long haul it's more cost effective to relaunch this vehicle than attempt to put up a massively complex and huge satellite with limited and very poor maneuverability on a one way trip. This vehicle can operate at lower altitudes than desirable for a satellite that requires a long duration mission, so the quality of the data collected is better, too. There are TWO in orbit right now ? I don't think so. If I am wrong, please let me know. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:20:09 PM EST
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There are two of these birds aloft right now. Maneuverable recce is my opinion. Makes sense, this is a capability we've needed since the first satellite mission was thunk up. Over the long haul it's more cost effective to relaunch this vehicle than attempt to put up a massively complex and huge satellite with limited and very poor maneuverability on a one way trip. This vehicle can operate at lower altitudes than desirable for a satellite that requires a long duration mission, so the quality of the data collected is better, too. There are TWO in orbit right now ? I don't think so. If I am wrong, please let me know. Not right now but I think the two flights did overlap. This one has been up a year, the other landed a while back. It was up for 220 days. ETA-Nope. One landed in Dec. this one launched in march |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:28:48 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are two of these birds aloft right now. Maneuverable recce is my opinion. Makes sense, this is a capability we've needed since the first satellite mission was thunk up. Over the long haul it's more cost effective to relaunch this vehicle than attempt to put up a massively complex and huge satellite with limited and very poor maneuverability on a one way trip. This vehicle can operate at lower altitudes than desirable for a satellite that requires a long duration mission, so the quality of the data collected is better, too. There are TWO in orbit right now ? I don't think so. If I am wrong, please let me know. Not right now but I think the two flights did overlap. This one has been up a year, the other landed a while back. It was up for 220 days. ETA-Nope. One landed in Dec. this one launched in march they didn't overlap but the second was up soon after the first one landing. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:29:28 PM EST
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There was nearly a 4 month time lag between the return of the first X-37B proof of concept flight and the launch of the bird that is presently in orbit.
First one was back on the ground in Dec 2010, second one was launched March 2011....IIRC. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:58:21 PM EST
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Whatever it is....I like that it is OURS, and we are doing something to fuck with our enemies.
Maybe it is blowing them out of the water in Iran and North Korea. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 9:24:43 PM EST
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You wonder why the F-35 is so over budget, right?
 
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Posted: 6/5/2012 9:48:15 PM EST
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You wonder why the F-35 is so over budget, right? Good observation. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 12:19:41 AM EST
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What if its purpos is to put a two man team up in space to tamper with/hack other spy sats?
It could be also used as an anti sat platform for if the day comes we need to start destroying foreign sats We already have stealth UAVs couldn't those do the recon rather than the x37Bs? For some reason I think this thing is more along the lines of a sat killer than anything else. I'm guessing it probably uses electronics to disable sats rather that actual kinetic weapons. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 1:03:02 AM EST
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What if its purpos is to put a two man team up in space to tamper with/hack other spy sats? It could be also used as an anti sat platform for if the day comes we need to start destroying foreign sats We already have stealth UAVs couldn't those do the recon rather than the x37Bs? For some reason I think this thing is more along the lines of a sat killer than anything else. I'm guessing it probably uses electronics to disable sats rather that actual kinetic weapons. If that was the case, why is there a need to return it after it does the mission? Seems to me that one could have more weapons and fuel to destroy more sats if the thing was built to be left up there once it spent all its fuel and weapons. I'm still leaning towards a quick recon sat type vehicle. It could use imaging technology that we have no clue about that doesn't require bulky equipment. Maybe the recon isn't even for images. Maybe it is capturing and/or blocking radio transmissions from other communication sats. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 1:33:49 AM EST
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cool stuff! Just waiting for it to begin disgorging space marines!
Supposedly the next variant will be capable of carrying human cargo. I think six occupants in the cargo bay. http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-space/article/2006-12/semper-fly-marines-space 
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Posted: 6/6/2012 3:08:13 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/spacemarines_485.jpgQuoted: cool stuff! Just waiting for it to begin disgorging space marines! Supposedly the next variant will be capable of carrying human cargo. I think six occupants in the cargo bay. http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-space/article/2006-12/semper-fly-marines-space Space Marines! OOHRAH  |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 3:14:44 AM EST
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I'd bet that someone knows that it was doing
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Posted: 6/6/2012 4:43:50 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: What if its purpos is to put a two man team up in space to tamper with/hack other spy sats? It could be also used as an anti sat platform for if the day comes we need to start destroying foreign sats We already have stealth UAVs couldn't those do the recon rather than the x37Bs? For some reason I think this thing is more along the lines of a sat killer than anything else. I'm guessing it probably uses electronics to disable sats rather that actual kinetic weapons. If that was the case, why is there a need to return it after it does the mission? Seems to me that one could have more weapons and fuel to destroy more sats if the thing was built to be left up there once it spent all its fuel and weapons. I'm still leaning towards a quick recon sat type vehicle. It could use imaging technology that we have no clue about that doesn't require bulky equipment. Maybe the recon isn't even for images. Maybe it is capturing and/or blocking radio transmissions from other communication sats. Several possibilities for it. recon. definite advantages to sending up a bird that can't be predicted. Satellite retrieval. It's got a cargo bay... it could go up an deorbit a satellite... now the cargo bay isn't big enough for most satellites... but it could still go up and force a satellite down. On a more peacful note you could force down old satellites that were dysfunctional and or out of fuel. Or... go up and change the orbit of another satellite... that would through people for a loop. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 4:45:46 AM EST
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cool stuff! Just waiting for it to begin disgorging space marines!
Supposedly the next variant will be capable of carrying human cargo. I think six occupants in the cargo bay. So, you're basically saying that this... http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7645/x37b.jpg ...could be the new this... http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8970/sealvehicle.jpg Who knows? Eventually maybe, with some kind of short/rough runway and para-glide landing system. As is, I would think a well prepared runway would be necessary. I can't imagine how high the vallue a target would have to have to justify such a response. Down the road... it could be as common as a HALO deployment. Or maybe a stepping stone to a vehicle that can deliver something like this- 
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Posted: 6/6/2012 5:40:41 AM EST
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You wonder why the F-35 is so over budget, right? Good observation. Not hardly. This diversion of funds conspiracy silliness belongs to the tightly wrapped tinfoil hat crowd. Memory was faulty about the overlapping X-37 flights. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:01:34 AM EST
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Dale Brown will know.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:08:06 AM EST
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That is cool.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:08:31 AM EST
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cool stuff! Just waiting for it to begin disgorging space marines!
Supposedly the next variant will be capable of carrying human cargo. I think six occupants in the cargo bay. So, you're basically saying that this... http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7645/x37b.jpg ...could be the new this... http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8970/sealvehicle.jpg Who knows? Eventually maybe, with some kind of short/rough runway and para-glide landing system. As is, I would think a well prepared runway would be necessary. I can't imagine how high the vallue a target would have to have to justify such a response. Down the road... it could be as common as a HALO deployment. Or maybe a stepping stone to a vehicle that can deliver something like this- http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110913234128/halo/images/2/2f/ODST_drop_pod.jpg Giggidy. I would give my right nut to be the orbital test dummy for that platform |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:20:20 AM EST
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cool stuff! Just waiting for it to begin disgorging space marines!
Supposedly the next variant will be capable of carrying human cargo. I think six occupants in the cargo bay. So, you're basically saying that this... http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7645/x37b.jpg ...could be the new this... http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8970/sealvehicle.jpg Who knows? Eventually maybe, with some kind of short/rough runway and para-glide landing system. As is, I would think a well prepared runway would be necessary. I can't imagine how high the vallue a target would have to have to justify such a response. Down the road... it could be as common as a HALO deployment. Or maybe a stepping stone to a vehicle that can deliver something like this- http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110913234128/halo/images/2/2f/ODST_drop_pod.jpg Giggidy. I would give my right nut to be the orbital test dummy for that platform Spam in a can...but you are right...that would be one hell of a ride!
Imagine a craft, large enough to drop a SEAL or SF A Team....anywhere..in less time than it takes to do it now. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:26:31 AM EST
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Op order: *redacted*
Date: hopefully fucking soon Two man knife sniper team will helo to the Groom Lake facility to board the C/B/X-37 for orbital insertion. Upon rendeveux with the USS DKProf ( stealth space station/ goose breeding facility) you will load into the orbital reentry vehicles and insert into Canada. Once on target at the milk bagging facility you will provide up to date observation for the orbital bombardment strike from the B37 in LEO. Following mission completion pick up at primary exfiltration point will occur at *redacted*. Secondary exfiltration point will occur at *redacted*. Office of Naval Intelligence section 2. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:30:34 AM EST
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The next step....rail guns.
Oribiting arty. Think about it, it takes roughly 90 minutes to orbit the earth. Arty, any where you want it, right now.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:35:53 AM EST
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You wonder why the F-35 is so over budget, right? Good observation. Maybe if Lockheed was also building the X-37. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:48:29 AM EST
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I must be getting cynical in my old age. The most likely use to me is to deliver a massive payload of money into some congressman's district to ensure reelection. Possibly sort of doomsday return on investment carrier that drops a payload of cash in return for campaign contributions.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 8:54:04 AM EST
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I must be getting cynical in my old age. The most likely use to me is to deliver a massive payload of money into some congressman's district to ensure reelection. Possibly sort of doomsday return on investment carrier that drops a payload of cash in return for campaign contributions. You're letting your politics warp your perception of a legitimately beneficial and reasonably budgeted military program. |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 8:10:32 AM EST
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Still standing by.......
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:10:56 PM EST
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Maybe we'll hear something soon, last time they did this it landed right after 1am PST, if the rumors were right about it heading back on Friday. Of course of it's foggy, it aint happening.
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:13:34 PM EST
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Maybe we'll hear something soon, last time they did this it landed right after 1am PST, if the rumors were right about it heading back on Friday. Of course of it's foggy, it aint happening. Why? Pilot needs to see the runway?
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:21:15 PM EST
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That whole part of the coast has some amazing optical tracking gear, but I had read somewhere they were keeping an eye on the weather. Not sure why either, unless its a safety issue for the responders. The end of the runway were they recover it is very dark and you can run off the road or taxi way with no problems when it is foggy.
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:24:59 PM EST
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That whole part of the coast has some amazing optical tracking gear, but I had read somewhere they were keeping an eye on the weather. Not sure why either, unless its a safety issue for the responders. The end of the runway were they recover it is very dark and you can run off the road or taxi way with no problems when it is foggy. Not foggy. Waiting for booms. Pretty sure it woke me up last time. Will keep ears open. ETA- they stopped it on the concrete last time. They have something like 15,000' of concrete than another 21,000' of lake bed. THink they has plenty
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:37:57 PM EST
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There are two of these birds aloft right now. Maneuverable recce is my opinion. Makes sense, this is a capability we've needed since the first satellite mission was thunk up. Over the long haul it's more cost effective to relaunch this vehicle than attempt to put up a massively complex and huge satellite with limited and very poor maneuverability on a one way trip. This vehicle can operate at lower altitudes than desirable for a satellite that requires a long duration mission, so the quality of the data collected is better, too. Not to mention the sensor packages could be ungraded/altered every mission to suit operational needs and technological advancements rather than every generation of sattelite or so (or when there is a manned mission available, which is fairly rare IIRC). |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:41:11 PM EST
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I was going to give somebody I know at Vandenberg a holler about the landing, but, they are acting like is all classified and stuff so I wont bother. That does bring up a good question, they have only mentioned Vandenberg as the place it will land, but, I assume they can head a little farther south and over the mountains and into Edwards if needed. I wish they would have done this stuff while I was still stationed there.
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:54:32 PM EST
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If I had to speculate on what it does.... I would guess that it flies to the dark side of teh moon to resupply the Nazis living there with plutonium fuel rods for electricity production. I just saw that YouTube trailer for that... wow. |
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Posted: 6/15/2012 10:58:38 PM EST
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Posted: 6/15/2012 11:00:16 PM EST
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you will be needing a door gunner. In!
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Posted: 6/16/2012 5:30:53 AM EST
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Posted: 6/16/2012 5:36:52 AM EST
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Figures, I take a nap and they land it. 
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Posted: 6/16/2012 5:41:57 AM EST
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Figures, I take a nap and they land it. yep, finally crashed out around 5 and they land the thing. Didn't hear or see shit on news. Kitteh sleeping on my chest didn't flinch so maybe no booms. He goes ninja at his own farts and I would have been bleeding had there been a shaking boom, boom like when the shuttle used to land out west. |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 5:41:58 AM EST
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The most expensive part of a spy satellite is the optics. If you could reuse the optics instead of letting them burn up in the atmosphere you would save a huge chunk of money.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 5:50:07 AM EST
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Figures, I take a nap and they land it. yep, finally crashed out around 5 and they land the thing. Didn't hear or see shit on news. Kitteh sleeping on my chest didn't flinch so maybe no booms. He goes ninja at his own farts and I would have been bleeding had there been a shaking boom, boom like when the shuttle used to land out west. The boom was over the Pacific. Vandenberg is on the coast. (But I bet you knew that. )
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Posted: 6/16/2012 5:53:17 AM EST
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X-37B + SpaceJump http://www.spacejump.co.uk/Pics/hinton%20spacesuit%20pics/hinton%20spacesuit%20jump%202.jpg Airborne Space Rangers... Shit just got real Nuke drop Marines on them from orbit! |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 5:55:27 AM EST
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Great concept, because unlike a satellite you have to retrieve to upgrade or repair with a space mission/walk and all that ential you can land the X-37 to upgrade its package or change it out. Very cost effective.
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