[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Zombies (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/23/2002 7:26:44 PM EDT
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Zombies: What are their weaknesses? Can they be killed? I need any random information on them, I think some are lurking around my house. And vampires too... Seems to me that a 12 gauge would create wounds great enough to eleminate these undead creeps. Or enough .223 should take off limbs, head, major organs. .45, .357, .44, these should all atleast knock them down, right? |
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As a certified anti-zombie combat master, I can tell you that the best way to disable the living dead is to take out their central nervous system...shoot for the brain, brain stem, and spinal column. You can also disable them, by destroying enough tissue that they cannot move effectively, make them a meat puppet. Shotguns in 12 gauge are the weapon of choice as far as firearms go. I also reccomend the use of farm machinery for eliminating large groups of the undead, and the use of fire applied in various means to destroy the corpses. |
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YEs, CNS system, i.e. a brain shot. Any handgun that will get good penetration will suffice, although a shotgun is a good idea. Better to act as a team, one high-cap handgun, one shotgun. Don't mistake zombies for the undead. For the undead, you need to remove their heads completely. Unless they're members of an undead army, then just plain old re-killing seems to do the trick. Vampires: Yes, you need a stake through the heart. I prefer the 'hail of lead as a knock-down disabling tactic' followed by a stake through the heart. Too hard to hit a moving target with a wooden stake. |
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One thing I have learned Zombies are slow, so aiming is OK so long as there are not multitudes of them, spraying may not work as you will more often than not miss the heads. A Light machine gun is ok to keep them at bay, adn a heavy machine gun will take the starch out of any of the walking dead. But the best is fire...... careful positioning of flammables can save your tail when you open up on the shambling masses Have fun [heavy] |
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Quoted: The only way you can really kill a zombie is to find-out where it sleeps. You go there when it is sleeping and fill its' mouth with SEA SALT and then sew-it-up so he cannot spit it out. I knew watching The Nightstalker would come in handy sometime. I think they did that on the X-Files too. USPC40 [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/line.gif[/img] [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url] [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/alabamaflag.gif[/img] |
| Zombies, a 12Ga. blast to the head without a doubt. Sawed off autoloader for use at close ranges so you can be sure to take out the CNS (Head) in true grotesque fashion and be ready for the next one. Vampires, since guns just wont do, a crossbow loaded with old style wooden arrows/bolts. Hmmmmm, on the other hand the shotgun loaded with a wooden slug might be fun to try. Karl. |
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Remember that zombies are soft and rotten, so just about any ammo from any gun would work. When (not if) zombies attack your neighborhood, I reccomend fortifying your house with lumber and furniture and if possible sand bags. Simply nailing wood to the windows is not good enough. When they are together in numbers, they can push those nails right out of the wall. I would use wood screws for a better grip on the wall; however, nails are ok for getting them up quickly, you can reinforce with screws later. Longer the screws are the better. Remember to use heavy furniture in addition for reinforcement. If you have a brick house you are in better shape. If you have a basement, try to barricade it extremely well so you don't have to put defenders down there. It may be a good idea to have one or two defenders down are no breaches down there. If you barricade it well enough, you should only have to worry about non-zombies trying to force there way into your home and seeking refuge because they did not prepare for the very dangerous zombie threat. As for firearms, have somebody busy loading all the magazines you have for any guns you have collectively (you have formed a zombie plan with close neighbors, friends and relatives, havn't you?). Use your military surplus bolt action rifles first. These have heavy ammo and are relatively slow to fire. If you have to desert your base, you would want to bring your semi-auto rifles with you, and if you used that ammo up first it would be a bad situation. Have pre-assigned sectors of defense for everybody, but allow for a particularly heavy attack on one or two certain sides of the house. In the event of a heavy attack from one or two sides, bring almost everybody to defend those sides, but leave a couple at the other walls watching your six. Don't let any annoying people with sick daughters into you fortress and let them boss you around, telling you where you can go and what you can do in your own house. If any of you have seen the documentary from 1991, aptly named "Night of the Living Dead," then you know what I am talking about. I have seen several other zombie attack documentaries over the years, so they do happen, and we probably are about due for another attack. As a final point, if you live in the NYC or its surrounding areas, you are probably just going to be eaten by zombies anyway, since gun laws don't allow you to protect yourself. My general opinion is that you should get a good general anesthetic and administer it to yourself before a zombie chomps down on your brain. |
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Again, my 10/22 is a superior combat weapon for when the dead walk the earth. 1) Both extraterestrial radiation and 2-4-5 Trioxin activated corpses are attracted to noise and movement. The 10/22 can be effectively suppressed with components easily assembled and available at any hardware store. 2) Holding up in one building is only an option if rescue is assured and legal. During the incidents in 1968 and 1991, civilians were not allowed to stay in their homes, no matter how well stocked or defended and were instructed to retreat to rescue centers. As one would want to be able to carry the maximum amount of ammunition possible on such a journey, this is another area where the 10/22 is preferable to other weapons . There were many instances where refugees arrived at rescue centers only to find them overrun with the undead and unable to shoot their way to the next center. |
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Quoted: But the best is fire...... careful positioning of flammables can save your tail when you open up on the shambling masses. You guys need to study up on your zombie-ology (would suggest anything in the 'Living Dead' series). 245_Trioxin (a military conspired herbicide experiment gone awry) converts to a gaseous state when anything that it has been contaminated with has been set a fire. Eventually the noxious fumes settle back down and once it contacts flesh (dead or living) it permeates and converts/reanimates any living or dead thing into a zombie state. There really is no hope once this cascade effect is started because they multiple at an incredible rate... Whatever you do don't light them on fire!!! |
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I've compiled a list of weapons effective on them through a email conversation I had with a friend. << List of effective vampire weapons: (not in order of effectiveness) 1. Wooden Stake Never fails.- Have to get close 2. Silver Crosses Crosses only work if it's your faith and you believe.- or as a bludeoning weapon 3. Shotgun Good luck with that.- Blow their friggin head off! 4. Handgun See above.-See above 5. Chainsaw If you can catch a slow enough vampire to use a chainsaw on it deserves to die.- slashing head attacks? 6. Rifle Good luck.- Yeah, 30 rounds into the chest is gonna slow anybody down 7. Crossbow? Loaded with a stake, it works.- isnt a wooden bolt kinda like a stake 8. Crowbar? Um... no.- Um, why not? 9. Sunlight (UV) Never fails. But only if it's direct sunlight and the vamp's not a daywalker like Bram Stoker's Dracula.- Daywalker... 10. Garlic? More of like deterrant, right? That'll kill anything!- So we hope {edited to finish} |
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Garlic and Silver are poisonous for the Wamphyri. Silver flechettes, with wood dowels intermingled will do to icapacitate them or even kill if shot is good. Szgany prefer shot guns to other weapons. Grenades are real popular too. Machetes and short swords are prefered for up close work. Katana might be a little long. Wakizashi, Ninjato, or Chisa Katana might be better choices. Weapons made from Iron Wood and Lignum Vitae are often used as well. Leperocy does in fact plague the undead as it does the living. I do not advocate the use of biological weapons as a rule, but it does have an effect against them. Crosses are NOT effective. Wamphyri are non-denominational. For Zombies, a shot to the brain bucket or complete disruption of the central nervous system ala decapitation. If one of your party is bitten or scrathed by either baddy, they are already a casualty. Do not hesitate, Euthanize them immediately. "The change" is very painful and tends to destroy one's dignity. You'll be doing them a favor. Also many Wamphyri are telepathic. One needs to learn how to detect mind probes. Any high lumen UV light source will work against the Wamphyri. It will not be immediate but will act like a super soaker filled with Hydrochloric acid. Speaking of Acid. It too will harm both kinds. DO NOT LEAVE YOUR TEAM MATES!! Stay in fire team sized groups. Be ruthless. They are not human anymore. Prey or predator. It's your choice. Good luck! We're all counting on you. |
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AMATURES! You all have it all wrong. Please refer to the original Return of the Living Dead (recently released on DVD), which points out the rather obvious fact that Zombies CANNOT be killed simply by a shot to the head. Even if you chop them up, the parts will come after you. If you burn them, they turn into acid rain and make more. Complete nuclear holocost is your best bet. |
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I don't think that's a viable option, we can't go around creating nuclear holocosts. I'm pretty sure that a 12 gauge does kill them. There was one in my backyard last night, tried to jump me (he wasn't very good at jumping, much less at moving), I walked back inside and got an old double barrel and popped him one. He, and his body parts, seemed to die. I loaded him into the back of my truck and took him down to a gully and dumped him, then shot him again, just to make sure. Head shots both times. Seems to me that Pat-Riot has it right. |
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Posted by Feedigcannibal: AMATURES! You all have it all wrong. Please refer to the original Return of the Living Dead (recently released on DVD), which points out the rather obvious fact that Zombies CANNOT be killed simply by a shot to the head. Even if you chop them up, the parts will come after you. If you burn them, they turn into acid rain and make more. Complete nuclear holocost is your best bet. Paleeese refer to ending of movie- nuking = incineration = hell'uva lot more zombies! U.S. Army needs to redesign those containment cans... . |
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Quoted: Wakizashi, Ninjato, or Chisa Katana might be better choices. Aren't Ninjato same length as katana? just straight blade instead of curved? I prefer DaiKatana myself, works good for the "pear splitter" maneuver, well, if on horseback..... Back to zombies....... Maybe miring them in wet concrete? Or if one could get enough use liquid nitrogen a la Terminator 2, even if the parts do keep movng turning them into confetti would lessen their destructive capabilities.... |
| if your planning on holding them off from your residence, leave your self an out a good escape vehicle/transport. #1 choice is a Suburban and weld expanded metal over all the windows with the holes big enough you can shoot through with out worry of ricocheting rounds. Also need a snow blade on the front this will keep the zombie bodies from blocking your radiator which would cause your motor to over heat. Also I suggested once before a tower with a one or two, 1919 belt feed 30-o6 to provide superior fire coverage, these could be pulled out when it gets to bad and you have to leave they can be mounted on the suburban. preferably one front one rear. As a fail safe stock up on as many 10/22's with highcap mags and as much 22 ammo as you have room for along with your 12ga 5.56 and 30-06 and your prefered pistol round. |
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Fools! You are all going to die. You must use the right kind of stakes to kill Zombies. You must use the latest model of "Black Tactical" ones or they will not work. Everyone knows that last years stakes are no good and simple sporting stakes never worked. I have a good selection of the currently accepatable stakes. They come in regular length and the super bad shorty model. I also have both the preban and post ban models. The models are really the same, but the pre bans cost twice as much. Remember that there is a ten stake limit and we do not ship to California. |
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Flamethrower isn't even good against vampires, because they are moderatly regenerative, meaning that if you cut off an arm, it won't grow back, but if they find the arm, they can stick it back on, and it will heal back together. If you burn them, they will just regrow skin. If you stab them, they will heal. Removal of all limbs/extremities and destruction of CNS appears to be the best way to eleminate them. Use the shotgun to do this. Or a blade works too. Explosives would appear to be effective. Zombies are really too slow to be much of a threat, unless you are surronded or sleeping (or injured). Shotgun is best against them, handgun will knock them down, may not be enough to remove limbs. Bludgeoning weapons are 2nd to shotgun. Bats, axe handles, crowbars, pipes, these are all good bludgeoning weapons. Destruction of CNS is desired Oh, and LOL, Hercules2400. [:)] |
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ok, well it looks as though we have the zombie threat covered. but now the other question, will there be any other terrible creatures supporting the zombie attack? (aside from vampires) will there be any chance of werewolves or cursed mummies? i would like to cover all the bases so everyone is well prepared. edit - but of course! i forgot the obvious: bigfoot! i have a .458 socom for those hosers, but is that good enough? |
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Quoted: THE WHATS??????? MX1, Say again, over? You don't know what a C.H.U.D. is. I feel for you. You are very unprepared. If you're not ready for the C.H.U.D.S it might already be too late. Why even bother fighting off the zombies and vampires. This is a C.H.U.D. That's Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers, folks--a band of ragtag derelicts who come up to street level at night to munch on human flesh. [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/Max%5FPower%2Fchud2%2Ejpg[/img] To learn more see the award winning documentary. [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/Max%5FPower%2Fchud1%2Ejpg[/img] |