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1/28/2008 11:23:48 AM EDT

This year, a man who’s career was pronounced over after an ill-considered (and factually inaccurate) remark on a blog appears on at least one company’s list of celebrities appearing at SHOT.

He’s not back to serve as a party piñata. He’s back because it seems the industry can forgive a single wrong – provided years of substance precede the error. He acknowledged his wrong, cured himself of his ignorance, and proved that doing the right thing occasionally is, well, the right thing.

Not everyone has forgiven the insult- some never will – but that’s life.
From todays' "Shooting Wire" by Jim Shepard.


No names were mentioned but we can see that apparently we have all forgiven big Jim and he's a heralded celebrity yet again. With memories this short can we expect the Democrats to remember losing the house after the last AWB?
1/28/2008 11:25:24 AM EDT
[#1]
Fuck Zumbo.
1/28/2008 11:25:49 AM EDT
[#2]
1/28/2008 11:26:56 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/ZekeMenuar1/ah.jpg


+1
1/28/2008 11:29:04 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Fuck Zumbo.


+1  And just to make sure it's not forgotten....



I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries [sic] and woods.

1/28/2008 11:29:53 AM EDT
[#5]
He won't be forgiven by me anytime soon.
1/28/2008 11:30:20 AM EDT
[#6]
I wouldn't say that he is forgiven, more like on probation.  Hell, you might even say he is on the gun owners terrorist watch list.

With his standing in the firearms community, one act of contrition is not enough to offset the damage his remarks may have caused.
1/28/2008 11:31:32 AM EDT
[#7]
Let Zumbogate die.
1/28/2008 11:32:47 AM EDT
[#8]
He never had my attention to begin with.  I had never heard of him until he made the foolish remarks that he made.  I just continue to disregard him; no real loss to me.  
1/28/2008 11:33:28 AM EDT
[#9]
Zumbo can suck my terrorist rifle.
1/28/2008 11:33:33 AM EDT
[#10]
sorry to be the voice of dissent but FWIW I forgive him.


many here will never forgive him no matter what

Many more want to bandwagon on him because he is an easy target

He got well and thoroughly trounced following his stupid statements.

He has done what I wanted to see him do.

This is my opinion and no, I am not telling you what to do or how to feel.
1/28/2008 11:35:13 AM EDT
[#11]
Zumbo is the same guy now as he was then, don't be fooled by his "new found support" for black rifles, he STILL feels the same way, you don't change your feelings simply because someone else TELLS YOU TO, he's playing nice because of MONEY, for Zumbo, there is no other reason.
1/28/2008 11:36:34 AM EDT
[#12]
People don't understand something:

Forgiveness doesn't mean the consequences of his actions go away.

I hold no ill will towards the man. That's 'forgiveness'.

But I don't trust him. Actions, such as his, have consequences. He shouldn't expect his career back so soon.



1/28/2008 11:36:50 AM EDT
[#13]
Not in my eyes.
1/28/2008 11:37:56 AM EDT
[#14]
No, plain and simple
1/28/2008 11:40:29 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I wouldn't say that he is forgiven, more like on probation.  Hell, you might even say he is on the gun owners terrorist watch list.

With his standing in the firearms community, one act of contrition is not enough to offset the damage his remarks may have caused.


+1 thats how it is in my book, i'm willing to forgive so longs as there is a genuine effort to rectify the mistake.
1/28/2008 1:29:23 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
People don't understand something:

Forgiveness doesn't mean the consequences of his actions go away.


Speaking as a criminal defense lawyer this statement is VERY true.
1/28/2008 1:34:36 PM EDT
[#17]
You don't make your living in the firearms industry and purposely piss off a large portion of that industry unless your head got VERY INFLATED by your own bullshit!!!

Zumbo spoke his version of the truth...........Zumbo got spanked.

Do I believe Zumbo "saw the light"?.............

Zumbo's "I'm sorry" was simply damage control to his career.
1/28/2008 1:44:39 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
You don't make your living in the firearms industry and purposely piss off a large portion of that industry unless your head got VERY INFLATED by your own bullshit!!!

Zumbo spoke his version of the truth...........Zumbo got spanked.

Do I believe Zumbo "saw the light"?.............

Zumbo's "I'm sorry" was simply damage control to his career.


+1 he should have retired and gone away.

i guess it's ok. TED made it all better now
1/28/2008 1:51:11 PM EDT
[#19]
That's a negative
1/28/2008 1:55:09 PM EDT
[#20]
Having spent a lot of time on the subject of vengeance lately, I'm going to just go with 'NO!'

Shane
1/28/2008 2:55:42 PM EDT
[#21]
He needs to go away.
1/28/2008 3:34:56 PM EDT
[#22]
Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
1/28/2008 3:40:33 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Fuck him and the horse ass he rode in on.
1/28/2008 3:47:39 PM EDT
[#24]
He should not be forgiven.  Let his name forever be an example as to what happens to turncoats, and traitors!!!
1/28/2008 3:49:44 PM EDT
[#25]
I didn't care about him or his opinion then and I don't care about him now.

I don't read a lot of Fudd magazines. I get my meat at Safeway and think camo is for the military.
1/28/2008 3:50:44 PM EDT
[#26]
He made comments out of pure ignorance and immediately regreted them.  I think SWAT magazine covered the issue rather well.  This is not the time for gun owners to be divided.
1/28/2008 5:04:18 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
He made comments out of pure ignorance and immediately regreted them.  I think SWAT magazine covered the issue rather well.  This is not the time for gun owners to be divided.


He said that AR15's were evil because they are not used for sport.  He didn't regret what he said; he only regretted the shitstorm that hit him in the face.  His "retraction" was, in essence, "I was wrong; they do have sporting purpose."  His ignorance has not been cured.  He still has no clue that the rights to keep and bear arms are not about hunting or target shooting.

This is precisely the time for gun owners to divide this piece of pollution from decent society.

I repeat:  and the horse he rode in on.
1/28/2008 5:05:18 PM EDT
[#28]
Fuck Zumbo.
1/28/2008 5:06:36 PM EDT
[#29]
To hell with him.
He can't un-ring a bell.
1/28/2008 5:08:21 PM EDT
[#30]
I haven't forgiven him yet.  There is still hope, but he's gong to have to earn it by proving that he didn't just get a good case of jailhouse religion.

Time will tell...
1/28/2008 5:55:40 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
He made comments out of pure ignorance and immediately regreted them.  I think SWAT magazine covered the issue rather well.  This is not the time for gun owners to be divided.


He said that AR15's were evil because they are not used for sport.  He didn't regret what he said; he only regretted the shitstorm that hit him in the face.  His "retraction" was, in essence, "I was wrong; they do have sporting purpose."  His ignorance has not been cured.  He still has no clue that the rights to keep and bear arms are not about hunting or target shooting.

This is precisely the time for gun owners to divide this piece of pollution from decent society.

I repeat:  and the horse he rode in on.


Exactly right.  It's very clear that he STILL only connects the 2nd Amendment's *observance* of our God-given RIGHT to bear arms with the suitability to hunting.  He simply does NOT get that the 2nd Amendment is about killing politicians and criminals (but I repeat myself).  It isn't about hunting Bambi.

We've gotten FAR too politically correct that people recoil in horror when the truth (as in what I wrote above) is spoken.  That's dangerous.  Words have meanings, and when we distort or obscure those meanings, then rights are lost and injustices become commonplace.

-Troy
1/28/2008 5:57:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Fuck Zumbo
1/28/2008 5:59:01 PM EDT
[#33]
Zumbo is to shooting sports what Homer Simpson is to the nuclear power industry.
1/28/2008 6:07:02 PM EDT
[#34]
He doesn't like black rifles now anymore than he did before.

"Though WinstonZumbo did not rush out into the streets, mentally he was joining in with the cheering crowds. The face of Big Brother The Black Rifle loomed large over the announcement and Winston felt his eyes fill with tears of joy and reconciliation. The last lesson had been learnt. “He loved Big Brother The Black Rifle.”
1/28/2008 6:17:28 PM EDT
[#35]
He needs to be Zumboed again. And again.
1/28/2008 6:43:31 PM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
He made comments out of pure ignorance and immediately regreted them.  I think SWAT magazine covered the issue rather well.  This is not the time for gun owners to be divided.


He said that AR15's were evil because they are not used for sport.  He didn't regret what he said; he only regretted the shitstorm that hit him in the face.  His "retraction" was, in essence, "I was wrong; they do have sporting purpose."  His ignorance has not been cured.  He still has no clue that the rights to keep and bear arms are not about hunting or target shooting.

This is precisely the time for gun owners to divide this piece of pollution from decent society.

I repeat:  and the horse he rode in on.


Exactly right.  It's very clear that he STILL only connects the 2nd Amendment's *observance* of our God-given RIGHT to bear arms with the suitability to hunting.  He simply does NOT get that the 2nd Amendment is about killing politicians and criminals (but I repeat myself).  It isn't about hunting Bambi.

We've gotten FAR too politically correct that people recoil in horror when the truth (as in what I wrote above) is spoken.  That's dangerous.  Words have meanings, and when we distort or obscure those meanings, then rights are lost and injustices become commonplace.

-Troy


A statement very similar to the one in red was made by Senator Thomas Dodd, the author of the 1968 Gun Control Act. I believe his words were "The Second Amendment is not about hunting ducks and leaving Huey, Dewey, and Louie without an uncle. It's about hunting politicians.".

The gun banners know exactly what they're doing.

Is Zumbo forgiven? No. He used a lifetime's worth of dumbass allotment in just a few seconds, in front of millions of people. His words have already been used against gun owners, and will continue to be used against gun owners in the future.

I bet he still doesn't own a "terrorist rifle".
1/28/2008 6:47:58 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

This year, a man who’s career was pronounced over after an ill-considered (and factually inaccurate) remark on a blog appears on at least one company’s list of celebrities appearing at SHOT.

He’s not back to serve as a party piñata. He’s back because it seems the industry can forgive a single wrong – provided years of substance precede the error. He acknowledged his wrong, cured himself of his ignorance, and proved that doing the right thing occasionally is, well, the right thing.

Not everyone has forgiven the insult- some never will – but that’s life.
From todays' "Shooting Wire" by Jim Shepard.


No names were mentioned but we can see that apparently we have all forgiven big Jim and he's a heralded celebrity yet again. With memories this short can we expect the Democrats to remember losing the house after the last AWB?



See, that's exactly what our masters... uhh, I mean our politicians... think of us. They figure the american people have a memory about as short as a gnat's penis. - Unfortunately, for a lot of people, that seems to be true. Apparently, many people have an attention span measured in minutes and they can't remember the ass fucking they took 6 months ago, much less the ones from 10 and 20 years ago.

Pretty sad.

Oh... and...
FUCK ZUMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1/28/2008 7:04:56 PM EDT
[#38]
Hell No! Thats like having Dianne Feinstein over for cookies and cream.

SUCK MY BALLS
1/28/2008 7:09:21 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
Fuck Zumbo.


Damn right. He fucked us in the ass so IMHO Zumbo can go fuck himself.
1/28/2008 7:09:45 PM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:
Fuck Zumbo.
1/28/2008 7:17:56 PM EDT
[#41]
In my opinion, his attempts at sucking up to EBR owners after the incident was insult added to injury.  I think most everyone here saw through that phony charade.



Now he seems to think all was forgiven?  I'll take "Absolutely Not" for $500, Alex!
1/28/2008 7:41:31 PM EDT
[#42]
I forgive him and hold no grudges.  He's made a great effort to amend his huge mistake..who am I to NOT forgive him....

HH
1/28/2008 7:53:03 PM EDT
[#43]
Fuck Zumbo

His apology was motivated by his wallet. If Nugent hadnt pulled Zumbo's balls out of

the fire we wouldnt ever have heard from Zumbo again in the outdoor community.  
1/28/2008 7:55:45 PM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
I didn't care about him or his opinion then and I don't care about him now.

I don't read a lot of Fudd magazines. I get my meat at Safeway and think camo is for the military.


Roger that.

I'm through trying to get fudds to turn a "new leaf" through
logic and rational reasoning.
1/28/2008 7:59:09 PM EDT
[#45]
He's a sorry son of a bitch who has no problem banning guns as long as they're not his.  He only "changed his mind" because the backlash threatened his paycheck.

I don't trust the asshole.  I hope Ted Nugent "upgrades" him to the moon.  The fucker is dead to me.

1/28/2008 8:05:22 PM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
Fuck Zumbo.


+1.

and just in case somebody isn't sure...



FUCK Zumbo.
1/28/2008 8:23:12 PM EDT
[#47]
Forgotten.
1/28/2008 8:32:54 PM EDT
[#48]
I have had a libtard quote him when arguing over gun laws.

That condemned him, I don't care how contrite he is. He willingly provided ammunition to the enemy, and no retractions or doing penance with Ted Nugent can take that away.
1/28/2008 8:43:43 PM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Fuck Zumbo.


+1Gazillion

Fuck him.  He made his bed, let him lay in his own filth.
1/29/2008 8:26:16 AM EDT
[#50]
these need to be made up and worn at shot:

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