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Site News The People of Virginia VS Grabigial BanBerger | ARFCOM News
8/12/2005 10:01:02 AM EDT
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8/12/2005 10:05:47 AM EDT
[#1]
Sign me up for a case.
8/12/2005 10:06:49 AM EDT
[#2]
Sounds tasty.
8/12/2005 10:07:43 AM EDT
[#3]


And.....I'm spent.
8/12/2005 10:07:53 AM EDT
[#4]
Just from looking at it, I bet it costs over $25 per round.

Kharn
8/12/2005 10:07:56 AM EDT
[#5]
w00t. Pulse Rifle here we come!
8/12/2005 10:08:50 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Sign me up for a case.


+infinity

Now THAT is a home/neighboorhood defense round.

Imagine a speedfeed stock full of those...

"Hm...there's a burglar outside the window. Do I go with birdshot, buckshot, or HE? Margret, can you check to see if he's wearing body armor?"
8/12/2005 10:09:08 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
w00t. Pulse Rifle here we come!

img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/rayra/militaria/pulserifle.jpg



The second gun I ever really wanted.
8/12/2005 10:09:27 AM EDT
[#8]
I like the ability to give the shotgun a little punch.
But, I prefer the XM109 25mm Payload Rifle for the majority of similar uses.
8/12/2005 10:11:28 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Just from looking at it, I bet it costs over $25 per round.

Kharn


+$200 tax stamp for each round!
8/12/2005 10:12:42 AM EDT
[#10]
Sure is purty, I'll take 2
8/12/2005 10:13:01 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Just from looking at it, I bet it costs over $25 per round.

Kharn


+$200 tax stamp for each round!


Yup. Definitely a DD.
8/12/2005 10:14:00 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Just from looking at it, I bet it costs over $25 per round.

Kharn

Wow willing to bet a lot more than that.
8/12/2005 10:24:30 AM EDT
[#13]


The projectile arms after firing once it reaches 3 meters from the muzzle
8/12/2005 10:25:21 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:


The projectile arms after firing once it reaches 3 meters from the muzzle




just like an M203 round, whats wrong with that?
8/12/2005 10:26:04 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:


The projectile arms after firing once it reaches 3 meters from the muzzle




lol, no kidding. Wonder what the wound radius is on the HE version.
8/12/2005 10:26:46 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:


The projectile arms after firing once it reaches 3 meters from the muzzle




just like an M203 round, whats wrong with that?


A M203 round arms a lot further out. Something like 14 meters IIRC
8/12/2005 10:27:26 AM EDT
[#17]
So, just like the movies...  I walk up and stick my finger in the barel and it doesn't go boom...  r-i--g---h----t  
8/12/2005 10:27:44 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:


The projectile arms after firing once it reaches 3 meters from the muzzle




just like an M203 round, whats wrong with that?


A M203 round arms a lot further out. Something like 14 meters IIRC


I'm betting that the proportion of distance to volume of HE is about the same
8/12/2005 10:28:03 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Just from looking at it, I bet it costs over $25 per round.

Kharn

Wow willing to bet a lot more than that.


Especially for a prototype version!
8/12/2005 10:29:26 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:


The projectile arms after firing once it reaches 3 meters from the muzzle




just like an M203 round, whats wrong with that?


A M203 round arms a lot further out. Something like 14 meters IIRC


I'm betting that the proportion of distance to volume of HE is about the same


Look at that casing. Do you want to be 10 feet away when it blows?
8/12/2005 10:30:17 AM EDT
[#21]
That would be a great anit-per. round too.  I wonder what it would do to a level III vest?
8/12/2005 10:31:19 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
I like the ability to give the shotgun a little punch.
But, I prefer the XM109 25mm Payload Rifle for the majority of similar uses.


Yes, but 12 gauge is cheap enough to be issued en-masse, what else is, any soldier can get his hands on a 12ga (I'm sure getting issued a few of those rounds wouldn't be a problem if they start producing them en-masse), unlike a 25mm special-purpose rifle and ammo.
8/12/2005 10:31:35 AM EDT
[#23]
Group Buy?
8/12/2005 10:33:50 AM EDT
[#24]
That's way cool. The insurgents don't have a chance (nor did they ever against the USMC).
8/12/2005 10:34:16 AM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
I like the ability to give the shotgun a little punch.
But, I prefer the XM109 25mm Payload Rifle for the majority of similar uses.


Apples and oranges.
8/12/2005 10:34:39 AM EDT
[#26]
I think I'll need a Box-O-Truth run on this before I make any final decisions
8/12/2005 10:35:39 AM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I like the ability to give the shotgun a little punch.
But, I prefer the XM109 25mm Payload Rifle for the majority of similar uses.


Yes, but 12 gauge is cheap enough to be issued en-masse, what else is, any soldier can get his hands on a 12ga (I'm sure getting issued a few of those rounds wouldn't be a problem if they start producing them en-masse), unlike a 25mm special-purpose rifle and ammo.

These frag-12s are going to cost a small fortune by the looks of them, 25mm is by far cheaper.
8/12/2005 10:40:33 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I like the ability to give the shotgun a little punch.
But, I prefer the XM109 25mm Payload Rifle for the majority of similar uses.


Yes, but 12 gauge is cheap enough to be issued en-masse, what else is, any soldier can get his hands on a 12ga (I'm sure getting issued a few of those rounds wouldn't be a problem if they start producing them en-masse), unlike a 25mm special-purpose rifle and ammo.

These frag-12s are going to cost a small fortune by the looks of them, 25mm is by far cheaper.


That's just a protorype. I'd bet a mass-produced version would be very much stamped. I was thinking with looks like those of a scaled-down 2.75-inch FFAR (with the little fins stuffed into the shell-casing, in the powder).
8/12/2005 10:43:43 AM EDT
[#29]
Tag
8/12/2005 10:53:11 AM EDT
[#30]
Ooooo I want one thousand rounds..... Maybe we can use them to put down deathrow inmates.
8/12/2005 11:04:55 AM EDT
[#31]
Just don't shoot any out of an extra full choke, umkay.

8/12/2005 12:05:59 PM EDT
[#32]
Pffft...no guidance system?
8/12/2005 12:09:21 PM EDT
[#33]
That makes a MasterKey set-up almost worthwhile.
8/12/2005 12:16:07 PM EDT
[#34]
Can you saying "calling the Box of Truth"????

I can see the grin on OP now.
8/12/2005 12:24:52 PM EDT
[#35]
Soon available in Marpat!

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8949/cheapversion3wt.jpg
8/12/2005 12:33:50 PM EDT
[#36]
I want to see a gel test.  Bet the wound channel is impressive, although I doubt this round will merely wound anyone it hits.

Think AMMOMAN will have factory seconds?
8/12/2005 12:52:13 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I like the ability to give the shotgun a little punch.
But, I prefer the XM109 25mm Payload Rifle for the majority of similar uses.


Apples and oranges.


Really?
1.  The article mentions detonation of mines and improvised explosives.  Spot on for the XM109.   That's one of the reasons it was developed.
2.  Disabling of a vehicle engine?  I'd rather have the XM109.

However, I already agreed that adding punch to cheap and very common weapon (shotgun) is a good idea.
8/12/2005 12:57:12 PM EDT
[#38]
Cool........as long as it goes OCONUS to shoot more Hadjis I'm perfectly happy.......yes, it would be nice to own though lol.........
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