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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:01:19 AM EDT
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If by Joe you mean GI Joe you may have a point. But I've been into plenty of stores, and worked in one, where Joe was short for Joe Blow who called any and every firearm a weapon. .22 single shot = weapon. 7mm Remington Mag. bolt gun = weapon. Remington 870 Wingmaster = weapon. I once heard the clown call a Browning Superposed a weapon.  I figured it made him sound big, like he knew what he was talking about. You know...tactical.  Every gun can be used as a weapon, but I pray I never have to use one of my guns as a weapon. In Bumblebee Bob's vocabulary weapon = something used against another human being. That said I do own several C&R's that were formally weapons, but they're retired old soldiers now. Now their guns, not weapons. |
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It too irks me to no end when people assume that a weapon is a gun. Especially on the evening news when the broadcaster states something like "the victim was wounded with a weapon this morning..." Was the guy stabbed, clubbed, electrocuted, or what? I believe the use of weapon to mean any firearm stems from the military use of the word. I work with many soldiers, and a soldier's weapon is thier gun. When you ask a soldier to see their weapon, they will give you their gun. If you ask me to see my weapon, I will show you my overt stabbing inplement I always have on hand (stainless steel ball point pen). I am not trying to be politically correct* by any means. As a civilian firearms instructor, I have to chose my words carefully. A gun should be and in most cases is the weapon of choice to use in your personal and family defence. However, a weapon may or may not be a gun. * Politically correct = the use of language to prevent insult, even to the point of hiding the truth (ie:alternate life style choice = gay, non-registered immigrant = illegal alien, etc...) 21st century liberal America at it's worst.... |
Webster defines a weapon as 1 : something (as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy. every hunting season 2 : a means of contending against another. every time someone defends themselves with a firearm Any firearm is a weapon...period. BTW..."firearm" = fireARM. |
a weapon to me is anything designed to be used in either an offensive attack or to defend yourself from grave danger. taht makes my louisville slugger a weapon in my eyes  
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It's kinda funny my "gun" I carry in the performance of my duties is a weapon. Everything in my safe at home is a gun. I think it is just brain damage the military subjects you too. I am also quite certain the Army gave me an M-4 and an M-9 to kill people with. When I talk to people about the machine gun on top of my truck it's just that a machine gun and .50 caliber anti material rifle is just the 107. Don't forget nug and bullet launcher |
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I’m not trying to start a fight but for those of you that replied something along the line of “that’s what I learned in the army,” did you even read the post or just reply based off the title, because that’s not what I asked… And this is were I messed up, I’m talking about the average arm chair commando that has never had any firearms training but thinks he’s an expert because he read about it on the internet. I’m not saying that a firearm can not be used as a weapon, because just about everyone can be used in that fashion, but so can a baseball bat, pointy stick, or many other various items. I just don’t consider every firearm to be a weapon. To me the term weapon has a negative connotation, and is over used when describing things that are not really used or intended to be used in offensive/defensive a manner. In addition, as some one mentioned above, I do not refer to a firearm as a toy either. |
That pretty much says it right there. ALL firearms are weapons. ALL swords are weapons. All bows are weapons. All clubs are weapons. Some knives are weapons. The big problem is many people's uncomfortable-ness with the possession of weapons. I see no problem with weapons. Weapons are necessary in some situations. Bring in up shooting sports simply muddles the issue, since they are all simply competitions which test players ability to use weapons effectively. Once again, there is nothing wrong with that. Here's a fun one, bring up the Olympics. Some would say that it's just games. No so. All classic Olympic events are competitions in the art of warfare at the time the games were established. Javelin: No shit. It's a spear. Shot Put: Um, throwing rocks at the enemy. Running and jumping are skills necessary in war. Pole vault: Getting over an enemy's fortification. Relay: Messengers and supplies. Archery: Duh Shooting: Duh I'm not sure about the discus, but I'll bet it has some sort of battlefield connection... |
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Why dance around it? It's a weapon. I'll do you one better: It's designed to kill people. Sometimes I wish we'd quit letting antis frame the debate. My AR-15 wasn't designed to punch holes in paper. If that's all it was good for, I would be better served with a BB gun. It's a weapon designed to kill people and break things. Embrace it.
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I call them all guns, but I think I know what you mean. Some people just say weapon to be pretentious, acting like a gun show Seal. I have no problem with getting people a bit uncomfortable by using the word gun, and when I get the question "Why do you need more than one?" I explain it to them. "The 22-250 is primarily for coyotes and other varmints, the 7mm mag is for deer and possibly some day an elk, the shotgun is primarily for turkeys and waterfowl, and my .45 is strickly for killing people if I should be forced into that situation". Most don't like it too much, but they walk away with a better understanding of what different guns are used for. |
Oh yeah, Jeff Cooper can't spell. 
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Here we go....I agree with SubnetMask. Why in the world do we let our enemies, libtards, the mainstream media, and anti gun types, define the terms of the argument? I dont give a fat rats ass if the term weapon has a negative connotation, it was put there by the enemy. A defensive or offensive weapon is just that, a weapon, why should we be afraid of that? Also, this is one of my favorite hobby horses, you CANNOT fundamentally change a thing by changing it's name. You may call yourself a "building maintenance engineer" or some other such crap, but you are still a janitor. This stupid name game is all liberal crapola. They are the ones that believe that perception is reality. IT IS NOT. Perception is perception. REALITY is reality. My dedicated target rifle is an AR-15. Therefore it is a weapon. It's a heavy bitch, and I've never used it for anything except targets. But, in the event I need it as a weapon, I know it will work. You might percieve it as a target gun, someone else will se it as an assault rifle, and others simply a gun. Call it what you like, I will always know it is a weapon, capable of killing my enemies, if need be. Screw these lib jag-dorks, screw them and their useless psychobabble. This is my RIFLE, there are many like it, but this one is mine...(come on I know you know the words)....My rifle is my best freind, It is my life. I must master it as I must maser my life. My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle I am useless..... (crickets) nobody ever sings along with me when I do that. 
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I don't call it an "Assault Rifle" because it ISN'T, and will correct those that say otherwise(unless it is actually a select-fire weapon, fireing an intermediate round and capable of full-automatic) I dont get bent outta shape by the term "Gun" but I'd rather someone walk up and say "Hey thats a nice weapon" as opposed to "Whoa, cool gun" To each his own 
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I agree with your post except that I was not a Marine so I cannot sing along wiwth you. I also think the last part in red should be done away with. Not a bash against the Marines or anything , just saying maybe they should replace it with. "Without my rifle, I will crack skulls with whatever means available" or something like that. |
Because to describe a thing with a euphemism just to pl;acate the ignorant is bowing to political correctness, and morally corrupt. Fuck liberals.
Whatever you say there, Brokeback. Go ahead and bend over for them again. Those people are n't your friends or even mentally stable. To hell with them.
And my calling my rifle a "super fantastic happy fun time noise stick" is somehow going to change this?
OK.
1983, 1985, many times in the 90s, 2004 in Iraq, last hunting season.
Are Arabs considered garbage or paper? |