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7/19/2007 4:32:17 PM EDT
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title edit ~ 82nd
7/19/2007 4:58:02 PM EDT
[#1]

The people who would cut that man's head off in an instant are pleased with that picture.



7/19/2007 4:59:12 PM EDT
[#2]
I hope that guy beat the shit out of a hippy retrieving that flag.
7/19/2007 4:59:24 PM EDT
[#3]
What a bunch of crap.
7/19/2007 5:00:11 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Isnt that the one that was pulled down from a 'cruiters office and vandalized?

If not, Fuck that traitor piece of shit


That would make sense if true. It's funny if that's the case because everybody wants to kill that guy.
7/19/2007 5:00:43 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
I hope that guy beat the shit out of a hippy retrieving that flag.


7/19/2007 5:02:24 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Isnt that the one that was pulled down from a 'cruiters office and vandalized?

If not, Fuck that traitor piece of shit



Damn right.........
7/19/2007 5:05:14 PM EDT
[#7]
I'm sure the flag doesn't belong to the guy holding it. I don't know the whole story here, but maybe he removed it from somewhere?



Some people are just fucking stupid...
7/19/2007 5:07:22 PM EDT
[#8]
Jack Murtha would be so proud.
7/19/2007 5:20:51 PM EDT
[#9]
shooting him would be to painless.... Find his family, hand them over to terrorist and let him watch the terrorist cut their heads off....

sound too gruesome?

just sayin ....if he's on the terrorist side, he should help em..
7/19/2007 5:24:53 PM EDT
[#10]
Why does falg desecration fill people with murderous rage, but politicians waging war on American sovereignty is a non-issue for most. Symbolism over substance is a true sign of a fair weather patriot.
7/19/2007 5:29:55 PM EDT
[#11]
probably not his flag....know the facts before condeming
7/19/2007 5:31:14 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Why does falg desecration fill people with murderous rage, but politicians waging war on American sovereignty is a non-issue for most. Symbolism over substance is a true sign of a fair weather patriot.


+1

Besides the first Amendment says Congress shall make NO LAW, which too me is no more vague than the "SHALL NOT" part of the second.

Oh and before everyone calls me a coward, a commie, a traitor, etc...
<------------ former Army engineer.
7/19/2007 5:48:32 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why does falg desecration fill people with murderous rage, but politicians waging war on American sovereignty is a non-issue for most. Symbolism over substance is a true sign of a fair weather patriot.


+1

Besides the first Amendment says Congress shall make NO LAW, which too me is no more vague than the "SHALL NOT" part of the second.

Oh and before everyone calls me a coward, a commie, a traitor, etc...
<------------ former Army engineer.


Yeah and Benedict Arnold was a former hero.....
7/19/2007 5:51:33 PM EDT
[#14]
Assuming the man in the picture beat a hippie to retrieve that flag, would it be acceptable to burn the flag in order to retire it?

What is the correct way to address flags like these?
7/19/2007 5:56:13 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why does falg desecration fill people with murderous rage, but politicians waging war on American sovereignty is a non-issue for most. Symbolism over substance is a true sign of a fair weather patriot.


+1

Besides the first Amendment says Congress shall make NO LAW, which too me is no more vague than the "SHALL NOT" part of the second.

Oh and before everyone calls me a coward, a commie, a traitor, etc...
<------------ former Army engineer.


As distasteful as such desecration may be, a flag is only a symbol, which to my knowledge, cannot really be destroyed.  It's protected speech.  That's one of the things that separates constitutional conservatives from the looney left; the Bill of Rights applies to everyone, even those we may disagree with. Most liberals can't wrap their heads around that concept and it seems fewer and fewer people in general understand how it works.

Traitorous congressman, etc. are another matter and of far greater concern as they can do lasting harm under color of authority.
7/19/2007 5:58:55 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Assuming the man in the picture beat a hippie to retrieve that flag, would it be acceptable to burn the flag in order to retire it?

What is the correct way to address flags like these?


You are correct  the proper way to dispose of an Amercian flag is by burning in an honorable and respectful way.
7/19/2007 6:33:01 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
Don't servicemen have the right to their own opinions? Joining the armed forces shouldn't mean undying loyalty to the policies of the government.

Just my €0.02


Nope.
7/19/2007 6:34:47 PM EDT
[#18]
I hope he is just holding up a vandelized flag.

If not he is totaly fu**ed

FREE



Quoted:
Don't servicemen have the right to their own opinions? Joining the armed forces shouldn't mean undying loyalty to the policies of the government.

Just my €0.02
7/19/2007 6:41:26 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Assuming the man in the picture beat a hippie to retrieve that flag, would it be acceptable to burn the flag in order to retire it?

What is the correct way to address flags like these?


Burning the flag in a respectful manner is an acceptable method of retirement.
I was always taught to cut the field from the stripes, then the red from the white stripes, then burn each separately.
7/19/2007 6:41:57 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Don't servicemen have the right to their own opinions? Joining the armed forces shouldn't mean undying loyalty to the policies of the government.

Just my €0.02


Be careful, the way the dollar is going that €0.02 might be worth more than you think.

7/19/2007 6:56:14 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
probably not his flag....know the facts before condeming


LOL GD on ARfcom.
7/19/2007 7:19:21 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Don't servicemen have the right to their own opinions? Joining the armed forces shouldn't mean undying loyalty to the policies of the government.

Just my €0.02


Be careful, the way the dollar is going that €0.02 might be worth more than you think.

7/19/2007 7:24:24 PM EDT
[#23]
Let me get this straight.  It looks like everyone on the board KNOWS the guy holding the flag was the one who did the vandalizing?

I'm not saying he didn't, but how about we find out the REAL story before you go accusing someone in uniform of desecrating a flag.  Then again, this is just another thread that shows certain individual's opinions about the military.

So---who has the REAL story?  Maybe we should get it before blindly making accusations?    
7/19/2007 7:26:02 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Don't servicemen have the right to their own opinions? Joining the armed forces shouldn't mean undying loyalty to the policies of the government.

Just my €0.02


Your not supposed to even discuss politics let alone protest while on Active Duty or in Uniform.
7/19/2007 7:27:13 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
It's been a while, but last I heard of this fellow was that he was in OCS...

www.joplinindependent.com/pics/mariwinn_peace18.jpg


That looks like a Photo shop. Look at how hes holding it(Left hand).
7/19/2007 7:32:53 PM EDT
[#26]
TAG for the rest of the story.........






7/19/2007 7:33:04 PM EDT
[#27]
The look on his face, and the way he's holding make me think he found it and is showing it, not that he wrote it.
7/19/2007 7:42:03 PM EDT
[#28]
Can anybody make out that last name??


I can find more if so...
7/19/2007 7:51:07 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Can anybody make out that last name??


I can find more if so...


No, but I suck with pictures.  It's almost definitely a recruiting station.  Look at the poster in the window-it looks like the NG brochures and ads.  Plus, as a former recruiter--everything in the place looks like a recruiting station.
7/19/2007 8:13:10 PM EDT
[#30]
Having been Soldier of the Month several times over in my Army days, this is one piece of military discipline that I remember well.  The only proper way to retire a flag is to first cut the field from the stripes, and THEN burn it.  In that manner, you are not burning the flag since it has already been 'disassembled'.

If the soldier in the picture is responsible, he should be seriously reprimanded.  If you don't get it, you were probably never in the military.
7/20/2007 6:23:52 AM EDT
[#31]
Any updates?

Is the guy in the pic an asshole doing some counter recruiting stunt?  Or is he holding up the result of some other asshole vandals work?

I really don't know.

7/20/2007 6:41:30 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
Why does flag desecration fill people with murderous rage, but politicians waging war on American sovereignty is a non-issue for most. Symbolism over substance is a true sign of a fair weather patriot.




STFU, troll! Damn isolationist Ronbots are taking over the place.  Our "murderous rage" is justified: When you attack our country's symbols, you attack US!!111
Sorry brother.  Couldn't help it.

Here's to hoping a quote on page two will garner more than one response, logic will prevail, and folks will slow down long enough to find out the whole story.

Yeah, like that is gonna happen.