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Posted: 8/11/2008 12:59:10 AM EDT
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I do genuinely want to know an honest answer to the question but there were none to be had and the cops came out like I had tried to smash a hornet's nest. I will leave the original question to show what I was trying to get an answer to. When a cop asks you the inevitable "Do you know why I pulled you over?" or "Do you know how fast you were going?" What is an honest answer you can give that will allow you to fight the ticket when he writes you a ticket for the infraction he just tried to sucker you into admitting? NOTE: I said honest answer. There is nothing improper about exercising your right to contest a ticket from a revenue collector. |
Quite possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever read on here, and that's saying something... |
Worked quite well in court. Took the DA right off his game. But whatever you say. |
Google "strict liability crime". I don't need to prove you intended to speed/etc. I don't even need to prove you knew you were speeding. |
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Dick Tracy: Do you know why I pulled you over? Tater: Well I hope at least one of us does. Barney: Do you know how fast you were going? Tater: Why, is your radar gun broke? I don't answer anything except ID. It's none of their fucking business what I'm doing, where I'm going, where I've been, etc. And yes, I have answered "That's none of your business". |
You are going to write me regardless or you wouldn't be playing BS games. Professional LE has POLICY prohibiting the type of BS I'm asking about anyway. An admission of speeding goes right onto the back of the ticket or is recorded and that is game over. Remember your insurance costs folks. |
hope your radar gun calibration records are kept up to speed too, quick easy way out of a ticket is to challenge that. |
As I said before, I am looking to see if someone will be honest about their actions. I've had people going 25+ over that have come clean and been given a verbal warning. I have also had people going 12 over that steadfastly denied any wrongdoing and thus owed the state some $$$. You don't have to believe me but that's how it goes. |
Of course they are. 
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LOL, I have never tried it, got a speeding ticket once, and havent been caught since, but then again, everyone speeds in the bay, I just keep up with traffic and dont get stupid. |
I'd very much like a percentage of cops that let a ticket slide after the person admits wrongdoing. |
For the record, I don't believe you. More often than not, you write the sucker a ticket and know he can't contest it because he just admitted it. And if you are the cop with a halo over your head, there are 10 others that just play this game to get admissions they can use against the driver. |
orly? You are telling me professional LE agencies have a policy telling their Officers how to conduct day to day things like traffic stops...down to the wording the Officer uses? |
I have it right here. Google Subpoena Duces Tecum. |
The point of enforcing traffic laws is to gain voluntary compliance. If I feel that I can gain that by having someone admit wrongdoing and verbally warn then, what do I gain from writing them a citation on top of it? I and my department don't see a dime from traffic tickets and you can bet your ass I get paid the exact same if I write 200 tickets or 0. |
It depends, some officers will write everyone they stop. Some officers can't find their ticket book. Most are somewhere in between. If I stop someone for a speed/violation that isn't that bad, telling me you think you were doing 3 over, or something else that is so stupid it's insulting, expect a different answer in writing. If you're in that borderline area, and you tell the truth, and it can even be something non-specific, like "faster than I realized, until I saw you", and your driving record isn't hideous, you may just get warned. |
Meh, all my traffic stops are conducted exactly the same. "Hi, I'm Officer X of the Village of Y Police Department, the reason I stopped you today is _______. Do you have any explanation for ____________? (If applicable, obviously the last part is left off if it is an equipment violation.)" |
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Why does the answer have to be honest? You're kind of tying my hands here... There's nothing wrong with lying to a police officer if an honest answer would incriminate you or garner unwarranted suspicion. "Do you have any weapons in the car?" As it isn't illegal to have weapons in the car here, my policy is to lie. "Do you know how fast you were going?" "Yes sir. I was going xxx(the speed limit) miles per hour." No malice involved. I just don't see why I have to make it any easier for the system to screw me if I don't have to. And for the record, I've been stopped a grand total of 4 or 5 times in 10 years. Two tickets, one dismissed with defensive driving. |
That has what to do with an agencies policy, and whether that makes them "professional" or not? |
It's too bad you can't see past your bias and have a rational discussion. Your mind about the entire thing was made up before you made your first post. |
Because a man is only as good as his word. Your word is apparently worth less than a speeding ticket. |
+1 - despite what the OPand sc_beerbarge believe. It's amazing how far a little honesty will get you in your everyday life - especially when interacting with people who get lied to all day long...... Brian |
A California Top 100 school. What does subpoena duces tecum have to do with how an individual officer conducts his traffic stops and whether or not he can use his discretion to issue a citation or a warning? Brian |
So how many cops are willing to lie to someone in order to elicit an incriminating statement? Sorry, I forgot. I'm supposed to cream my pants at the opportunity to give the government money. |
How many cops does it take to Google the term and deduce how it might result in official policy manuals ending up in public hands? |
It's also SOP for many departments' investigators to lie if that's what it takes to get a confession. Their word is apparently worthelss also. And after all, a man is only as good as his word... 
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You are hilarious............................ LE Policy is subject to open records/FOIA laws. www.ci.madison.wi.us/police/ 7th tab down on the left side, policy+procedure manual in PDF format. |
So this one time I was driving home from work and my uniform was in the passenger seat. A cop pulls me over for speeding between the front gate and the back gate to the base. He asks me if I was on my way to work and I said " no sir,honestly I'm on my way home". 5 minutes later I owe Wa. state $200 A few weeks later I get pulled over on my way to work. "Do you know why I pulled you over?" Honestly I have no idea.... Well your exhaust is too loud I thought the law stated that anything under 94dB was legal No, the law changed about 6 months ago oh and here's your ticket for $175 I may as well told him I was racing to his house so I could take a dump on his wifes face. |
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Main Entry: subpoena du·ces te·cum Pronunciation: \-ˌdü-səs-ˈtē-kəm\ Function: noun Etymology: New Latin, under penalty you shall bring with you Date: 1768 : a writ commanding a person to produce in court certain designated documents or evidence So, how does this dictate how LEOs conduct traffic stops? |
Yeah.......................... One is lying to try to get out of taking responsibility for his actions. The other is lying in order to get someone else to take responsibilty for their actions. Completely the same. 
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Well that sounds frankly nuts from a this parent's perspective. I frankly don't give a fuck if the 25+ loon who runs over my kid is "honest" or not (or more likely, female or not). Maybe the people who are closer to the limit think your CS for pulling them over to start with, and the maniacs know they've got nothing to lose anyway. But frankly you play whatever "discretionary" power games you want regardless of the danger a particular speeder poses to the public. Stopping distance, and kinetic energy among other things are what pose a danger to the public, not whether someone is willing to roll over and plead for mercy. "These aren't the droids you looking for" and you believe them?
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Seems clear written policy has no impact whatsover on the conduct of the "cops" (who really knows whether they are or not anyway?). However, judges and juries seem to feel differently in my experience. |
None - cops already know it doesn't matter. You, OTOH, haven't figured out how to connect the big words with your original question. Brian |
And sometimes they interrogate kids who don't know their own rights for 12 hours until they confess to crimes they didn't commit. Please. Don't try to sell us the pure as driven snow bullshit. |
Actually, I have less respect for the liar who has already taken an oath involving honesty and character. And since he's getting paid, wouldn't that make him a professional liar? |
Policy doesn't matter? Hurrah, for loose cannons! Fuck Policy. We know better! |
Ah huh, and again how does a department having policy on what you can or can not ask on a traffic stop make them professional? Secondly, since when does a judge give a flying fuck about a procedural issue within a department? |
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I feel stupider after reading this thread. Every single time I've been pulled over for speeding I've admitted to it and apologized in a very respectful tone. I showed the LEO the utmost respect and welcomed my punishment with open arms. To this day, I have never received a speeding ticket, even though I've been pulled over for speeding 5 times. Just be honest, respectful, and kind. ETA: All my speeding tickets have been for going 80-85 in a 70. Nothing too crazy. |
See how well verbals work? A mere 5 times speeding. You guys work MIRACLES with your ability to "see the soul" of the speeder! |
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What did you get a ticket for? FWIW I'm usually accurate about what I did, but since I started obeying traffic control devices, my interactions with various pds has greatly decreased. A motorcycle cop gave me a warning years ago instead of a $200 ticket and told me he better not ever see me do that again, and I haven't. |
How many years on? |