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6/13/2012 5:58:03 PM EDT
Dag tore his nail; it was split. Vet put him under and removed the nail. Bandaged tightly. Told us to leave bandage on for 5 days and come back. Gave us a floppy iv bag to put over it when he needs to go outside so bandage won't get wet.



Iv bag sucks, falls off, gets shaken off.  We wrap with plastic bag and tape instead. Somehow it still is wet. Vet says that is not good. And rewraps after saying the wet bandage is causing probs with healing and creating sores on the toes.


New bandage got wet today on day 2.  So we took it off ourselves. The nail os completely gone but there is the bright pink nailbed and quick. It looks okay.  Then he reaches down with his head and hits the nailbed with the edge of his cone of shame. It starts bleeding. So we loosely wrapped paper towels around it and taped it up.


I don't know how we are going to keep him dry, and rested. he has so much energy and is used to running miles every day. He has to go outside to do business and it is wet.  He sres squirrels and he bolts after them. He bumps his paws on things cause he is clumsy.


I don't know how this is going to work.
6/13/2012 6:02:51 PM EDT
[#1]
so what advice are you looking for?
6/13/2012 6:06:54 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
so what advice are you looking for?


Finished the rest of the OP.

Is the nailbed screwed because of the cone hitting it and now its bleeding?  

Should I leave my loose, crude bandage on or take it off to fully dry?

How can I keep him from reinjuring it, getting it wet, running and bumping it?


Tally=500$ so far.
6/13/2012 6:08:52 PM EDT
[#3]
Use the IV bag and hold it down with duct tape. The other thing to remember is when bandaging a dog you have to start taping on fur.
6/13/2012 6:11:51 PM EDT
[#4]
Put dog on leash, go outside with dog when business time. It'll heal, my mutt had a propensity to tear nails off, after the first 20 or so, I quit worrying and just put a little triple antibiotic on it til it started healing.
6/13/2012 6:13:54 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Put dog on leash, go outside with dog when business time. It'll heal, my mutt had a propensity to tear nails off, after the first 20 or so, I quit worrying and just put a little triple antibiotic on it til it started healing.



With bandage or not?
6/13/2012 6:16:15 PM EDT
[#6]


Here he is.
6/13/2012 6:19:12 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Put dog on leash, go outside with dog when business time. It'll heal, my mutt had a propensity to tear nails off, after the first 20 or so, I quit worrying and just put a little triple antibiotic on it til it started healing.



With bandage or not?


I'm going to venture a guess and say with the bandage.  If it's wet outside, tape a baggie over it too.  If your dog is that hyper see if you can't get the vet to prescibe some downers.  If we give our dags some Bendedryl it takes the pep out of their step for a while.  The leash idea is the correct one.  It will heal just dont' let the dag run loose and go crazy for a few days.

6/13/2012 6:20:00 PM EDT
[#8]
How long is he being left outside with the IV bag over it?

Do you have any quick stop to stop the quick from bleeding? It will help dry the quick out so it's less likely to start bleeding again.
6/13/2012 6:20:03 PM EDT
[#9]



Quoted:




I don't know how we are going to keep him dry, and rested. he has so much energy and is used to running miles every day. He has to go outside to do business and it is wet.  He sres squirrels and he bolts after them. He bumps his paws on things cause he is clumsy.





I don't know how this is going to work.


Ask the vet for sedatives.



Keep the dog floating on doggie valium for awhile.



Bonus, you can feed it to him in a jelly donut. Poochie is gonna love you, bro.





I'll send ya my bill.



 
6/13/2012 6:20:49 PM EDT
[#10]
In the wild a wolf or coyote would suffer a horrendous death from that.
Or....  unencumbered by bandages and cones they would keep the wound clean themselves and be over it in a day or two....
6/13/2012 6:20:54 PM EDT
[#11]



Quoted:



Quoted:


Quoted:

Put dog on leash, go outside with dog when business time. It'll heal, my mutt had a propensity to tear nails off, after the first 20 or so, I quit worrying and just put a little triple antibiotic on it til it started healing.






With bandage or not?




I'm going to venture a guess and say with the bandage.  If it's wet outside, tape a baggie over it too.  If your dog is that hyper see if you can't get the vet to prescibe some downers.  If we give our dags some Bendedryl it takes the pep out of their step for a while.  The leash idea is the correct one.  It will heal just dont' let the dag run loose and go crazy for a few days.





Bah, beaten to it.





I'm still sending you my bill anyway.



 
6/13/2012 6:22:01 PM EDT
[#12]





What
The
Fuck

Poor dag.



 
6/13/2012 6:22:34 PM EDT
[#13]
Don't leave the plastic bag on all the time.

Take it off when he is inside, otherwise you'll have a mess of an infection.
6/13/2012 6:24:17 PM EDT
[#14]



Quoted:


Don't leave the plastic bag on all the time.



Take it off when he is inside, otherwise you'll have a mess of an infection.


You would think... circulation and air would seem beneficial to healing.



 
6/13/2012 6:26:30 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Don't leave the plastic bag on all the time.

Take it off when he is inside, otherwise you'll have a mess of an infection.



I was taking it off after he came back inside. Except today at work he was going in and out so I left it on for about 4 hours. It was a heavy trashbag one not like the one pictured. But when I took the bag off, somehow the bandage was still wet. So I cut the bandage off to let it dry. That's when he gouged it with his cone and it started bleeding. So I loosely wrapped it with paper towels.


He is also on antibiotics right now. Has been for a week.
6/13/2012 6:30:04 PM EDT
[#16]
Also, he is obsessive about trying to lick it.  That is how we first noticed the split nail.


He tries to get at it even with the cone. He figured out how to wedge the cone against the edge of the bandage and reach the bandage with his teeth and tongue.
6/13/2012 6:30:58 PM EDT
[#17]



Quoted:



Quoted:

Don't leave the plastic bag on all the time.



Take it off when he is inside, otherwise you'll have a mess of an infection.






I was taking it off after he came back inside. Except today at work he was going in and out so I left it on for about 4 hours. It was a heavy trashbag one not like the one pictured. But when I took the bag off, somehow the bandage was still wet. So I cut the bandage off to let it dry. That's when he gouged it with his cone and it started bleeding. So I loosely wrapped it with paper towels.





He is also on antibiotics right now. Has been for a week.


Just change the damn bandage as necessary.



Go buy non-stick gauze wrap, comes in rolls, use that.

Tape it on the end of the wrap to hold it closed, don't wrap too tight, he needs circulation.



Don't let the dag in and out When he has to piss, let him out. Then change wrap.



Sedate him so he's not jumping all about like a dagtard.
This isn't complicated shit, and it's not a life threatening injury...



Apply common sense as necessary, or keep asking us, I guess.




I'm lengthening that bill until you assure us you got this shit.



Seriously.





 
6/13/2012 6:31:40 PM EDT
[#18]
Be the alpha.  Tell him no and use a choke chain to reinforce command if hes a stubborn type.

Use duct tape for iv bag.

Crate the dog during the day unless he is outside shitting and pissing.  Continue crate training in perpetuity (i cannot tell you how awesome it is to be able to contain your dog until you can and do....
6/13/2012 6:31:59 PM EDT
[#19]



Quoted:


Also, he is obsessive about trying to lick it.  That is how we first noticed the split nail.





He tries to get at it even with the cone. He figured out how to wedge the cone against the edge of the bandage and reach the bandage with his teeth and tongue.


If you sedate him, he won't give a shit.



 
6/13/2012 6:33:32 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:


What



The



Fuck







Poor dag.
 




OP, I'm laughing at this response not your dag. He's cute albeit a little sad right now. Just tape it up well and be vigilant.

And keep telling yourself, "this, too, shall pass."
6/13/2012 6:36:52 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Be the alpha.  Tell him no and use a choke chain to reinforce command if hes a stubborn type.

Use duct tape for iv bag.

Crate the dog during the day unless he is outside shitting and pissing.  Continue crate training in perpetuity (i cannot tell you how awesome it is to be able to contain your dog until you can and do....



We crates him from day one and still do. He sleeps in his crate at night.

From day one he howled and whined incessantly once the door was shut to the crate. We did not submit.


However, he comes to work with me everyday and is used to mikes of running and chasing squirrels and birds and whatnot. If he does not get exercise he is a fruitcake wackadoo.

But I guess we will have to crate him.
6/13/2012 6:38:27 PM EDT
[#22]


how does he drink and eat with that thing on?
6/13/2012 6:38:54 PM EDT
[#23]
That dog sure appears to be kicking your ass.
6/13/2012 6:39:55 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Also, he is obsessive about trying to lick it.  That is how we first noticed the split nail.


He tries to get at it even with the cone. He figured out how to wedge the cone against the edge of the bandage and reach the bandage with his teeth and tongue.

If you sedate him, he won't give a shit.
 



I gave him acepromazine I had left over from a different injury of his, from a different vet. It had not expired. The day I took him to this vet he was pretty loopy. The vet said she was angry about that. I explained his nature and the reason the other vet prescribed it. She did not give me anymore.
6/13/2012 6:40:36 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:


how does he drink and eat with that thing on?



I raised the bowls with inverted Tupperware.
6/13/2012 6:46:08 PM EDT
[#26]



Quoted:



Quoted:




Quoted:

Also, he is obsessive about trying to lick it.  That is how we first noticed the split nail.





He tries to get at it even with the cone. He figured out how to wedge the cone against the edge of the bandage and reach the bandage with his teeth and tongue.


If you sedate him, he won't give a shit.

 






I gave him acepromazine I had left over from a different injury of his, from a different vet. It had not expired. The day I took him to this vet he was pretty loopy. The vet said she was angry about that. I explained his nature and the reason the other vet prescribed it. She did not give me anymore.




In my *professional opinion, go back and see the OTHER vet.



I'm not liking this one.
*I'm not a vet, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once.





 
6/19/2012 9:01:44 AM EDT
[#27]
Update:
Went back to vet. They wrapped it again, wanting to protect it from him. Gave me acepromazine for the dag.


Told me to keep bandage on for 5 days. Very hard to keep dry. Everything is wet here. The stupid iv bag is fucking retarded. But they said for us to use it. We Saran wrap the leg first then put the bag on.

Today, he got it a little wet anyway while pooping in the wet, rainy grass. So I cut the bandage off one day early.
The guaze didn't feel wet from water but the wounded nail is gooey and stinks. Igave him more ace and am going to keep the bandage off for airflow. He is on a higher dose of clavamax antiobiotics than last course.


This fucking sucks.

6/19/2012 9:13:56 AM EDT
[#28]
Keeping it dry shouldn't be a problem.  Double wrap the SOB with plastic shopping bags after wrapping with gauze.


Buy bitter spray at a pet shop or wal-Mart.  Apply liberally on areas he is prone to pick at.


Just don't let his foot get infected (you mention the wound smells bad which can't be good).  


FWIW, I've had good luck using neosporin on our dags.  It works.
6/19/2012 9:16:22 AM EDT
[#29]
I am not a vet, nor do I play one on TV, but consider just leaving everything off it and let it air dry.
Dogs have very good imune systems and in most cases heal very fast. If that was my dog and he wasn't obsessing over it and licking it to death...I would leave it unbandaged and see how that goes. Keep it dry, don't put any creams, grease or salves on it.
6/19/2012 9:37:25 AM EDT
[#30]








silly american, bags are for milk, not a dog's foot






 
6/19/2012 9:39:02 AM EDT
[#31]
He is obsessing over it.

That's how we found the cracked nail a couple weeks ago. Now he uses his cone to try and scratch it.


6/19/2012 10:45:55 AM EDT
[#32]



Quoted:


He is obsessing over it.



That's how we found the cracked nail a couple weeks ago. Now he uses his cone to try and scratch it.





A sealed plastic enclosure around the foot is going to create condensation from the heat/moisture coming from the dog himself;  that bandage will ALWAYS be somewhat wet.



Wet bandages are BAD for healing as they provide a breeding ground for bacteria.





If it were my dag, I'd be wrapping the individual nail with some gauze and then the lower foot followed by tape to hold it on.  The bandage would need to be changed at least once per day for probably a week, or until the quick dries out.  I'd also spray bitters on the gauze and not use the cone.



You might try leaving the wound open to the air and just keeping it clean.  If your dog is constantly licking it, you can try training him not to but it may not work...



Note:  I'm not a Vet and this was just my opinion from experience with other animals of my own.





 
6/19/2012 10:50:54 AM EDT
[#33]
We take the plastic bag off after he goes outside to relieve himself


It gets wet from rainy/dewy grass and capillary action. Wicking from the long leg fir, etc.
6/19/2012 10:52:10 AM EDT
[#34]
I am leaving the bandage off now and letting it dry.
6/19/2012 10:53:37 AM EDT
[#35]
I got nothing to add but Tessa sends her best wishes for a good recovery
6/19/2012 11:07:50 AM EDT
[#36]



Quoted:


I am leaving the bandage off now and letting it dry.


I think you should do that as much as possible.

 



Dogs aren't that much different than humans, and creating an encased in plastic bandage like that seems like an incredibly stupid way to "promote healing".




Flesh wounds irrigate or don't irrigate themselves just fine.




The benadryl may help reduce itching.  You might consider picking up some Vetericyn gel or the spray bottle. (Amazon.com has it.) That stuff works great on all types of animals, including the hairless primate type.  It'll knock down infections of all sorts, won't cause digestive problems, has basically no taste, and does not hurt when being applied.
6/19/2012 11:12:11 AM EDT
[#37]
The vet told us to keep the bandage on and bag it when he goes outside.
6/19/2012 11:27:59 AM EDT
[#38]
Whenever the pup gets a wound I shave the area.

Bitter Apple doesn't work on many dogs.

Be careful not to cut off circulation when you're wrapping tape.

I prefer open wounds to be in the air rather than covered up.

Not much help, hope your dag gets better.
6/19/2012 11:30:12 AM EDT
[#39]
Yeah, our dag eats bitter Apple like It's steak juice. He dont give a fuck.
6/19/2012 12:01:47 PM EDT
[#40]
Had a hound do this 3 weeks ago. I left the nail hanging as this creates pain anytime he touches it. Even when running in grass he would carry that foot and only set it down when he stopped. It took almost a week for the nail to fall/get knocked of. Afterwards he runs and acts normal. The dried quick is still showing and will be for a month. I did monitor it for any signs of infection and would have used a topical wound glue and oral antibiotics if it appeared to be getting infected.

Just sayin' dogs can heal on there own pretty fast a lot of time with little or no assistance.

I think sometimes the "assistance" hinders the healing process.

Vet bills = 0
Huntable dog 2 week later = 1
6/19/2012 12:10:35 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
Had a hound do this 3 weeks ago. I left the nail hanging as this creates pain anytime he touches it. Even when running in grass he would carry that foot and only set it down when he stopped. It took almost a week for the nail to fall/get knocked of. Afterwards he runs and acts normal. The dried quick is still showing and will be for a month. I did monitor it for any signs of infection and would have used a topical wound glue and oral antibiotics if it appeared to be getting infected.

Just sayin' dogs can heal on there own pretty fast a lot of time with little or no assistance.

I think sometimes the "assistance" hinders the healing process.

Vet bills = 0
Huntable dog 2 week later = 1



Hmm. Next time ithink I will try the common sense approach.

If this shit happened to myfinger,I wouldnt have given it one thought.
6/19/2012 12:24:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Dip his foot in kerosene and let him be a dog. May have to do it again in a few days. It will dry it up and heal. Nail will grow back but will take time. Had the same thing happen to one of mine.
6/19/2012 6:14:02 PM EDT
[#43]
Left bandage off all day. Was drying nicely. Developing a sort of crust over the quick.

I was watching him like a hawk, stopping his cone from reaching the paw. Then, when I had my hands full, he reached down and scraped it again with the cone. The crust scraped off and it's all red and fresh looking again.


I took a Tupperware bowl full of h202 and soaked it for a couple minutes and am letting it dry again


6/19/2012 6:23:25 PM EDT
[#44]
My dog ripped most of his dewclaw off and it was hanging by a sliver, we left it alone but put some hydrogen proxide on it nightly. After a few days it came off by itself or by him licking it and no issues.
6/19/2012 6:23:30 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:

Quoted:

I don't know how we are going to keep him dry, and rested. he has so much energy and is used to running miles every day. He has to go outside to do business and it is wet.  He sres squirrels and he bolts after them. He bumps his paws on things cause he is clumsy.


I don't know how this is going to work.

Ask the vet for sedatives.

Keep the dog floating on doggie valium for awhile.

Bonus, you can feed it to him in a jelly donut. Poochie is gonna love you, bro.






I'll send ya my bill.
 


6/20/2012 4:39:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Fucking vets.


After airing it out and doing a couple hydrogen peroxide soaks it looks way better after just 36 hours.


Versus the two weeks under vet's instructions and constant stress/worry