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Posted: 1/8/2011 8:35:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: "No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? Ditto on what the poster above says. The double standard continues..........some critical thinking should really develop on this site. |
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? So basically you have to keep your mouth shut and keep your opinions to your self. 10-4 Free speech? lol I forgot who .gov works for. |
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Quoted: Proly a dupe. I couldnt find it. If so post it. http://kstp.com/news/stories/s1914974.shtml An Ultimate Fighter from White Bear Lake got a visit from the Secret Service after a comment he made about President Obama. When asked by a Fanhouse reporter Saturday whom he'd like to fight next, Jacob Volkmann replied "Obama," and went on to say, "someone's got to knock some sense into that idiot." In an interview Friday evening, Volkmann, who works as a chiropractor, told 5 EYEWITNESS News he disagrees with the president's health care plan and his Making Home Affordable program. He says he stands by his comments, but added: "wanting to fight the president is different than intending to fight him. " A Secret Service agent came to the school where Volkmann was coaching wrestling on Tuesday and asked if he intended to go to Washington to harm the president. Volkmann said he wasn't. He says the matter ended there, but the publicity didn't. The video of Volkmann's comments ended up on late night television, but Volkmann says he doesn't mind. He says publicity is good for business and for his fighting career Look, they have to chase down BS things like that. Everyone knows that you don't hint at harming the President even in jest unless you want a visit from some friendly Feds. Wake me if they file some BS charges on the guy.  |
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? So basically you have to keep your mouth shut and keep your opinions to your self. 10-4 Free speech? lol I forgot who .gov works for. If you are going to make comments that could be taken as threats to the POTUS, yeah, thats probably the best bet. |
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The video of Volkmann's comments ended up on late night television, but Volkmann says he doesn't mind. He says publicity is good for business and for his fighting career When life gives you federal agents, make federal agent-ade. I dont know why,but that made me laugh out loud. 
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Seriously OP? Put down the kool-aid, turn off Fox, and take a deep breath. kiss it Just the tip? LOL. haha I understand what everyone is saying. I did however think it was obvious from the video the guy was just mad about obama care because he was a chiropractor. I didn't take anything serious out of it. |
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? I thought the guy said he wanted to fight Obama in the ring, not in a dark alley. |
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LOL. haha I understand what everyone is saying. I did however think it was obvious from the video the guy was just mad about obama care because he was a chiropractor. I didn't take anything serious out of it. Which is exactly why the guy just got a cursory and polite visit from the Secret Service, and just had to tell them "no, I don't ACTUALLY want to beat up the president" and nothing more. The Secret Service spends a lot of time following up on idle threats, possible jokes, or things just said in the heat of the moment - JUST IN CASE - because they take the charge of protecting the president super-seriously. So to imply that it is somehow a horribly opressive restriction on the 1st amendment is a bit of a stretch. After all, if the guy had said: "I think Obama is a giant piece of stinky shit" or "Obama is a communist dictator and is worse that Mao, Hitler and Stalin combined" or "I have proof that Obama eats babies for breakfast" or "I think everyone in the U.S. government is a giant communist asshole" ... then he would NOT have gotten a visit from the Secret Service, and NOBODY in government would have cared one bit about his statement. |
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? I thought the guy said he wanted to fight Obama in the ring, not in a dark alley. What's the difference? The guy is a strong professional fighter - him saying he wants to fight Obama (a middle-aged skinny weak pussy) is pretty much the same as saying he wants to beat the shit out of him. |
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LOL. haha I understand what everyone is saying. I did however think it was obvious from the video the guy was just mad about obama care because he was a chiropractor. I didn't take anything serious out of it. Which is exactly why the guy just got a cursory and polite visit from the Secret Service, and just had to tell them "no, I don't ACTUALLY want to beat up the president" and nothing more. The Secret Service spends a lot of time following up on idle threats, possible jokes, or things just said in the heat of the moment - JUST IN CASE - because they take the charge of protecting the president super-seriously. So to imply that it is somehow a horribly opressive restriction on the 1st amendment is a bit of a stretch. After all, if the guy had said: "I think Obama is a giant piece of stinky shit" or "Obama is a communist dictator and is worse that Mao, Hitler and Stalin combined" or "I have proof that Obama eats babies for breakfast" or "I think everyone in the U.S. government is a giant communist asshole" ... then he would NOT have gotten a visit from the Secret Service, and NOBODY in government would have cared one bit about his statement.  I doubt that. o well enough talk of obama. It is saturday.
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? Someone made a film about killing GWB and I'd almost bet money they didn't get any visit. |
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? Someone made a film about killing GWB and I'd almost bet money they didn't get any visit. What was it? |
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? I thought the guy said he wanted to fight Obama in the ring, not in a dark alley. What's the difference? The guy is a strong professional fighter - him saying he wants to fight Obama (a middle-aged skinny weak pussy) is pretty much the same as saying he wants to beat the shit out of him. In a legal, controlled environment. I don't see the legal issue here. |
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? Someone made a film about killing GWB and I'd almost bet money they didn't get any visit. What was it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_(2006_film) |
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Well, my thought is that his ability to carry out said action are nil. It is just what I would call intimidation on behalf of the administration as far as Im concerned. Dont talk bad about the pres kinda deal. What are the chances that the guy in the story were able to drive to DC, find Zero within his layers of security, confront him, fight him as others stand by and watch, lol Get real. |
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LOL. haha I understand what everyone is saying. I did however think it was obvious from the video the guy was just mad about obama care because he was a chiropractor. I didn't take anything serious out of it. Which is exactly why the guy just got a cursory and polite visit from the Secret Service, and just had to tell them "no, I don't ACTUALLY want to beat up the president" and nothing more. The Secret Service spends a lot of time following up on idle threats, possible jokes, or things just said in the heat of the moment - JUST IN CASE - because they take the charge of protecting the president super-seriously. So to imply that it is somehow a horribly opressive restriction on the 1st amendment is a bit of a stretch. After all, if the guy had said: "I think Obama is a giant piece of stinky shit" or "Obama is a communist dictator and is worse that Mao, Hitler and Stalin combined" or "I have proof that Obama eats babies for breakfast" or "I think everyone in the U.S. government is a giant communist asshole" ... then he would NOT have gotten a visit from the Secret Service, and NOBODY in government would have cared one bit about his statement. I doubt that. o well enough talk of obama. It is saturday.
You do realize that statements like that are made every single day by members of this site and that they don't get visits from the Secret Service, right? Take your tinfoil off. |
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This concern the secret service has for presidential safety isn't a new thing. Dumb post. Ding ding ding. They didn't even tell him he couldn't say it, they just asked if he planned on going to DC and do it. That's the key right there. The main thrust of the First Amendment is that the government cannot impose prior restraints on what you say. You are still accountable for what you say after the fact. That said, this one is borderline in my opinion. I think it's clear from the context that he was talking about fighting Obama in the ring, in a UFC/MMA type fight - not going to DC and beating him up on the street. Also clear that it was a political statement, not one to be taken literally. I think the USSS overreacted a little. |
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Quoted: Quoted: "No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? So basically you have to keep your mouth shut and keep your opinions to your self. 10-4 Free speech? lol I forgot who .gov works for. Making threats against another person has never been covered under 'free speech'. See common-law assault. Threats against the POTUS will get you a visit from USSS - they take their job very, very seriously. |
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This concern the secret service has for presidential safety isn't a new thing. Dumb post. Ding ding ding. They didn't even tell him he couldn't say it, they just asked if he planned on going to DC and do it. That's the key right there. The main thrust of the First Amendment is that the government cannot impose prior restraints on what you say. You are still accountable for what you say after the fact. That said, this one is borderline in my opinion. I think it's clear from the context that he was talking about fighting Obama in the ring, in a UFC/MMA type fight - not going to DC and beating him up on the street. Also clear that it was a political statement, not one to be taken literally. I think the USSS overreacted a little. If they pursue every threat that they hear about and nothing happens then they get accused of being too harsh. If they don't and one of those threats turns out to be real, they get accused of not doing their jobs. It's a catch-22. |
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? Did they visit Bill Mahar when he placed cross hair on a picture of Pres Bush? |
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? Did they visit Bill Mahar when he placed cross hair on a picture of Pres Bush? I have no idea - I've never heard of that incident. But if the USSS saw it as a even remotely a potential threat, then yes, they would absolutely have had a conversation with him. |
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This concern the secret service has for presidential safety isn't a new thing. Dumb post. Ding ding ding. They didn't even tell him he couldn't say it, they just asked if he planned on going to DC and do it. That's the key right there. The main thrust of the First Amendment is that the government cannot impose prior restraints on what you say. You are still accountable for what you say after the fact. That said, this one is borderline in my opinion. I think it's clear from the context that he was talking about fighting Obama in the ring, in a UFC/MMA type fight - not going to DC and beating him up on the street. Also clear that it was a political statement, not one to be taken literally. I think the USSS overreacted a little. If they pursue every threat that they hear about and nothing happens then they get accused of being too harsh. If they don't and one of those threats turns out to be real, they get accused of not doing their jobs. It's a catch-22. Not really. Not in my mind, at least. It's sort of like the TSA stuff - I don't want them groping me or using nudie scanners, and I won't bitch at them if a plane goes down one day. It's not their fault, it's the fault of the criminals. Here's another question - what happens if I make a comment like this guy, and then I refuse to talk to the USSS? Do they just follow me around and bug me for the rest of my life? |
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This concern the secret service has for presidential safety isn't a new thing. Dumb post. Ding ding ding. They didn't even tell him he couldn't say it, they just asked if he planned on going to DC and do it. That's the key right there. The main thrust of the First Amendment is that the government cannot impose prior restraints on what you say. You are still accountable for what you say after the fact. That said, this one is borderline in my opinion. I think it's clear from the context that he was talking about fighting Obama in the ring, in a UFC/MMA type fight - not going to DC and beating him up on the street. Also clear that it was a political statement, not one to be taken literally. I think the USSS overreacted a little. If they pursue every threat that they hear about and nothing happens then they get accused of being too harsh. If they don't and one of those threats turns out to be real, they get accused of not doing their jobs. It's a catch-22. Not really. Not in my mind, at least. It's sort of like the TSA stuff - I don't want them groping me or using nudie scanners, and I won't bitch at them if a plane goes down one day. It's not their fault, it's the fault of the criminals. Here's another question - what happens if I make a comment like this guy, and then I refuse to talk to the USSS? Do they just follow me around and bug me for the rest of my life? The TSA and the SS operate in completely different ways. The TSA searches everyone, the SS only goes after people who have made threats against the President. I'm not sure what the exact legal limit of the SS's authority is. |
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This concern the secret service has for presidential safety isn't a new thing. Dumb post. Ding ding ding. They didn't even tell him he couldn't say it, they just asked if he planned on going to DC and do it. That's the key right there. The main thrust of the First Amendment is that the government cannot impose prior restraints on what you say. You are still accountable for what you say after the fact. That said, this one is borderline in my opinion. I think it's clear from the context that he was talking about fighting Obama in the ring, in a UFC/MMA type fight - not going to DC and beating him up on the street. Also clear that it was a political statement, not one to be taken literally. I think the USSS overreacted a little. If they pursue every threat that they hear about and nothing happens then they get accused of being too harsh. If they don't and one of those threats turns out to be real, they get accused of not doing their jobs. It's a catch-22. Not really. Not in my mind, at least. It's sort of like the TSA stuff - I don't want them groping me or using nudie scanners, and I won't bitch at them if a plane goes down one day. It's not their fault, it's the fault of the criminals. Here's another question - what happens if I make a comment like this guy, and then I refuse to talk to the USSS? Do they just follow me around and bug me for the rest of my life? The TSA and the SS operate in completely different ways. The TSA searches everyone, the SS only goes after people who have made threats against the President. I'm not sure what the exact legal limit of the SS's authority is. It was an analogy. Not a mathematical proof. Point is that I'm not going to blame them for a criminal's act. |
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This concern the secret service has for presidential safety isn't a new thing. Dumb post. Ding ding ding. They didn't even tell him he couldn't say it, they just asked if he planned on going to DC and do it. That's the key right there. The main thrust of the First Amendment is that the government cannot impose prior restraints on what you say. You are still accountable for what you say after the fact. That said, this one is borderline in my opinion. I think it's clear from the context that he was talking about fighting Obama in the ring, in a UFC/MMA type fight - not going to DC and beating him up on the street. Also clear that it was a political statement, not one to be taken literally. I think the USSS overreacted a little. If they pursue every threat that they hear about and nothing happens then they get accused of being too harsh. If they don't and one of those threats turns out to be real, they get accused of not doing their jobs. It's a catch-22. Not really. Not in my mind, at least. It's sort of like the TSA stuff - I don't want them groping me or using nudie scanners, and I won't bitch at them if a plane goes down one day. It's not their fault, it's the fault of the criminals. Here's another question - what happens if I make a comment like this guy, and then I refuse to talk to the USSS? Do they just follow me around and bug me for the rest of my life? The TSA and the SS operate in completely different ways. The TSA searches everyone, the SS only goes after people who have made threats against the President. I'm not sure what the exact legal limit of the SS's authority is. It was an analogy. Not a mathematical proof. Point is that I'm not going to blame them for a criminal's act. And I explained why it was a poor analogy. The two examples in an analogy need to share common ground and the TSA and SS clearly do not. The SS is responsible for stopping criminals from killing the President. If a criminal succeeds, then yes, you do need to blame the SS for not preventing it. |
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If there was one guy on the planet you could dunk on, who would it be? That teacher?
If it doesn’t have to be a basketball player, George W. Bush. I would dunk on his ass, break the rim, and shatter the glass. Lebron James on GWB: http://www.maxim.com/amg/sports/articles/84635/icon-lebron-james.html I don't recall the USSS paying a visit to Mr. James. |
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If there was one guy on the planet you could dunk on, who would it be? That teacher?
If it doesn’t have to be a basketball player, George W. Bush. I would dunk on his ass, break the rim, and shatter the glass. Lebron James on GWB: http://www.maxim.com/amg/sports/articles/84635/icon-lebron-james.html I don't recall the USSS paying a visit to Mr. James. Dunking on someone is not a violent act, nor is it in any way a threat. Fighting someone is a violent act, even if it's in the ring. The SS stopped by to make sure he wasn't willing to take that fight outside of the ring. |
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If there was one guy on the planet you could dunk on, who would it be? That teacher?
If it doesn’t have to be a basketball player, George W. Bush. I would dunk on his ass, break the rim, and shatter the glass. Lebron James on GWB: http://www.maxim.com/amg/sports/articles/84635/icon-lebron-james.html I don't recall the USSS paying a visit to Mr. James. Dunking on someone is not a violent act, nor is it in any way a threat. Fighting someone is a violent act, even if it's in the ring. The SS stopped by to make sure he wasn't willing to take that fight outside of the ring. I am sorry. I didn't mean to insult anyone's intelligence. |
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"No more freedom of speech under obamas socialist society" Really? You realize the Secret Service would probably have done the exact same thing if this guy had made the same comment about George Bush four years ago, right? Did they visit Bill Mahar when he placed cross hair on a picture of Pres Bush? I have no idea - I've never heard of that incident. But if the USSS saw it as a even remotely a potential threat, then yes, they would absolutely have had a conversation with him. There were other incidents when Bush was Pres. I think lacally there was a guy with a video game the had you trying to assassinate Pres Bush. Maybe that was Canada. |