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1/10/2017 9:47:05 PM EDT
I rewired approx 50% of my house and put in a 200A panel....full inspection and all that jazz.


I'm going to be listing the house for sale shortly.

The only issue on the electrical side is the fact that I replaced a lot of 2 prong outlets with 3 prongs, but they remain ungrounded. None are GFCIs, those are all up to snuff with brand new circuits.

My understanding is that I need a sticker saying "no sticky 1952 black and decker aluminium cased drill here" or "no equipment ground" or some shit like that to make me legal....correct?
1/10/2017 9:54:38 PM EDT
[#1]
My wife's grandpa showed me to tie the ground to the neutral. He's an old school licensed electrician. May not be "correct" by today's standards but he made it sound like it's acceptable.
1/10/2017 9:57:20 PM EDT
[#2]
pretty sure they have to be gfcis
1/10/2017 10:00:56 PM EDT
[#3]
Are you using metal boxes that are grounded?

ETA The sticker is for when you use a GFI receptacle without a ground to indicate there is no EGC.
1/10/2017 10:05:03 PM EDT
[#4]
If your potential buyer gets a home inspection, the inspector will walk around with an outlet tester and list every one that shows it hasn't been grounded to be fixed. One of the few things they can actually test for during a home inspection.
1/10/2017 10:06:26 PM EDT
[#5]
The old wiring is some BX to steel boxes, but primarily that old fabric sheathed NMC shit to steel boxes.
1/10/2017 10:07:03 PM EDT
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If your potential buyer gets a home inspection, the inspector will walk around with an outlet tester and list every one that shows it hasn't been grounded to be fixed. One of the few things they can actually test for during a home inspection.
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Yeah, thats why I'm trying to rectum-fy it to be code-compliant.
1/10/2017 10:12:25 PM EDT
[#7]
That old shit might have a ground wire in it.  They used to ground the box even with 2 prong outlets.
1/10/2017 10:12:41 PM EDT
[#8]
Replace the ungrounded three prong receptacles with GFCIs. Make sure you put the little " No Equipment Ground" sticker on and you will be up to code.
1/10/2017 10:13:04 PM EDT
[#9]
to avoid me having to post awall of text you need to head to this link.

www.ecmweb.com/design/10-worst-grounding-mistakes-youll-ever-make

and no, your 2 prong outlets that you replaced with 3 prong are not up to code and will be caught by any decent inspector.
1/10/2017 10:14:22 PM EDT
[#10]
Put the two prong outlets back anywhere there isn't a ground or install gfcis
1/10/2017 10:14:46 PM EDT
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Replace the ungrounded three prong receptacles with GFCIs. Make sure you put the little " No Equipment Ground" sticker on and you will be up to code.
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This ^^^^^^^^ is the solution you seek. Beat again!
1/10/2017 10:16:09 PM EDT
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I will preface by saying that I am not an electrician. That said, in my 1950s house full of fiber romex, every outlet was grounded to the metal box through the ears and the metal outlet box was grounded.

Some of the outlets tested faulty when my home inspector looked at the place prior to me buying it. However, once you seated the screws (scrubbed off the corrosion I suspect), they tested out fine.

My understanding of GFCI is that it is required in wet locations (bathrooms, kitchens, garages, etc) but not a requirement in the rest of your house. Also, your GFCI breaker trip cannot knock out the only light source in a room and still be code compliant. YMMV
1/10/2017 10:17:37 PM EDT
[#13]
Thanks guys.

The GFCI route is ringing a bell....I should have known that!
1/10/2017 10:17:44 PM EDT
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Replace the ungrounded three prong receptacles with GFCIs. Make sure you put the little " No Equipment Ground" sticker on and you will be up to code.
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This has always been my understanding of the NEC requirement for replacement.
1/10/2017 10:22:27 PM EDT
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Per the NEC, an ungrounded 2-prong receptacle can be replaced with one the following:

1) another 2-prong ungrounded receptacle
2) a GFCI receptacle. It must have a sticker affixed that states something like "GFCI protected, no equipment ground"
3) a 3-prong receptacle that is protected by a GFCI device. The 3-prong receptacle must be marked as noted above.
1/10/2017 10:25:37 PM EDT
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My wife's grandpa showed me to tie the ground to the neutral. He's an old school licensed electrician. May not be "correct" by today's standards but he made it sound like it's acceptable.
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That is NOT acceptable, legal or safe!!!
1/10/2017 10:26:38 PM EDT
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You can add GFCI breakers instead of GFCIs. It might be cheaper.
1/10/2017 10:43:02 PM EDT
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You can add GFCI breakers instead of GFCIs. It might be cheaper.
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not for 2 wire he cant...
1/10/2017 10:47:04 PM EDT
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Put the two prong outlets back anywhere there isn't a ground or install gfcis
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This
1/10/2017 11:33:02 PM EDT
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1/10/2017 11:34:52 PM EDT
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to avoid me having to post awall of text you need to head to this link.

www.ecmweb.com/design/10-worst-grounding-mistakes-youll-ever-make

and no, your 2 prong outlets that you replaced with 3 prong are not up to code and will be caught by any decent inspector.
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1/11/2017 5:42:09 PM EDT
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Check to see if the box is grounded.  If it is, you can use a self grounding receptacle (remove the insulating washer) and not need to mess with anything else.
1/11/2017 11:25:28 PM EDT
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That is NOT acceptable, legal or safe!!!
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My wife's grandpa showed me to tie the ground to the neutral. He's an old school licensed electrician. May not be "correct" by today's standards but he made it sound like it's acceptable.


That is NOT acceptable, legal or safe!!!


I hate when people say that kind of thing for no reason, but ...
That is NOT acceptable, legal or safe!!! Really. It isn't.

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