Posted: 9/30/2002 9:22:25 PM EDT
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At their places of business or at gunshows I find most of them to be unhelpful and unfriendly. What do you find? |
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Schizophrenia is rampant amongst CA dealers. They either love you or hate you. Depends on the day, or the phase of the moon, or some other unknown force. Has nothing to do with the amount of money I have previously spent in their shop. I'm treated like shit on a regular basis. And I spend a lot of cash on firearms and related equipment. |
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Depends. Some are friendly but their prices absolutely suck. Some are not so friendly but they have good sales, usually the bigger stores. Some are very clicquish where the owner has a group of regulars and friends and doesn't give more than a quick "can I help you" to new customers, but with a tone that he has better things to do. I don't have a regular shop here. I buy at Trader's in San Leandro, big shop but can be attitudinal if you get the wrong salesman. Their pricing is horrible. They mark a pistol at $100 over MSRP and then knock off the hundred as a sale price. [rolleyes] Great sale prices though. Got my SIG229 for $550 NIB from them. I bought a couple from Hogan's in Pleasant Hill. Nice people but prices aren't so great, but they will deal a bit. Wife met the manager's wife on a plane trip so now I have to check their store first before buying. Bought a couple at Canyon Sports in Martinez. Their prices are usually way high, but I made a good deal on a SIG Trailside, and they just had a "Ruger" day with reps and I picked up a GP100 at a pretty good price. There are a couple others that I've used once or twice but I have no loyalty to any of them. There was a store in Goleta (near Santa Barbara) in a strip mall where I purchased my first bunch of guns that was run by a really cool guy. His prices were pretty good relatively speaking and he took the time a day to talk to you and show you crap, even though he knew you weren't ready to buy yet. Only store I avoid is the Old West Gun Room in El Cerrito. Went in there once and the guy couldn't be bothered to give me the time a day. With his prices I'm not missing out on anything though. That's it for around here. |
| I do not do any business at a gunshop, I do private party buy or trades or buy at gunshows. Most gunshops are run by the most bitter SOB's I have ever met. Just what I have found in the last 10 years. There is one guy here in Vegas who is really friendly and has a beautiful shop will all kinds of toys, too bad he is WAY overpriced...hell I asked him to get me prices on a Raging Bull and he said something like $800...yea right, I wouldn't mind $25-$50 over what I could find on Gunbroker to support a local guy but I sure as hell not paying $200-$300 for it. |
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Must be a regional thang? Here in Nashville the shops are well lit, clean, & run by (mostly) nice people for staff although I do admit the owners are a crotchety bunch. Gun shows are a different matter entirely. A lot of those guys have no storefront & thus have totally different attitudes. Those range from super easy going to total assholes. |
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Quoted: I don't have a regular shop here. I buy at Trader's in San Leandro, big shop but can be attitudinal if you get the wrong salesman. Their pricing is horrible. They mark a pistol at $100 over MSRP and then knock off the hundred as a sale price. [rolleyes] Great sale prices though. Got my SIG229 for $550 NIB from them. Hey ratter's, You ought to check into FFL to FFL transfers. I used a guy out in Aptos--South of Santa Cruz. He charges a flat rate of $50 on firearms worth up to $500 and $60 on anything over. I found some great deals online at Gunfinder and Gunbroker. I hear that Trader's only charges $25 plus DROS. Check out [url]www.mbiguns.com[/url] for a detailed explanation of how this works. Once you understand the rules, find a dealer that will transfer for a reasonable fee (Reed's down in San Jose wants [b]$102![/b]) |
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Thanks for the info. There are a couple closer who are pretty cheap with transfers. Traders does $25 for person to person, but if it is an out of state or ffl transaction they charge a big fee. I've been able to get pretty good prices on my firearms different ways though. The only thing I've come close to paying full price on was my Buckmark Camper and that's cause it was pretty cheap anyhow. I actually like the wait and to check the gun ads. There are some good ones up north in Sac as well. One shop had Milspec Springfields for $399, A 5" S&W629 for $550, and a SIG 220 for $599 all NIB. I think Reeds down in SJ has good ads as well but I don't see them too much. The excitement is in the hunt. [:)] BTW, check the meetings forum for a norcal shoot Professor Evil is putting together. |
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Quoted: There is one guy here in Vegas who is really friendly and has a beautiful shop will all kinds of toys, too bad he is WAY overpriced...hell I asked him to get me prices on a Raging Bull and he said something like $800...yea right umm, Kelly's? best prices in town are Discount Firearms, Bill'd Buy and Sell, or Nevada Pistol Academy. LMK if ya need directions! they typicly sell hardware at cost plus 10%. |
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Both of the shops I goto are friendly (now.. one used to be not so much) and they are on the same street right across from each other [:D] [url=http://www.redstarmuseum.com/]Redstar[/url] is my favorite as they are always nice and ask how your doing and start a conversation with you when they are not to busy.. and across the street.. [url=http://www.retting.com/]Retting[/url] I bought my first gun here.. After that I never wanted to buy anything from them again because they didn't really pay much attention to customers and tried to sell my friend a shotgun grip out of the package and all dirty instead of the packaged one for the same price [>:/] But last time I went in they were all nice which suprised me.. |
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You know, as a shopper I would always get pissed when I went into a shop and was treated poorly. Sometimes I would go to a gunshow with a grand or two in my pocket, but still was treated like shit. Now that I am a gunsmith full-time, I always try to be friendly and joke with the customers when appropriate. I have heard so many times that we are much nicer than our competition. Balming |
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I've pretty much wrote off all of the gunshops close to my house. One of them is always full of old guys sitting by the front door and it's impossible to get any help. I went in once to buy a Remington 30-06 but they were so unhelpful I ended up going to WalMart. At another shop I had the guy jump my shit because I put my plastic rifle case on the counter. He was afraid I would scratch the glass. (Plastic doesn't scratch glass, buddy) The last time I went there I was asking him who the best gunsmith in the area was. I already had a couple of names but I wanted to get a consensus. He asked me what I wanted done and I told him I wanted a barrel cut down, crowned and rethreaded. He stood there and told me, "Oh, you're not gonna get anybody to thread that barrel for you. People only thread barrels to put silencers on and that's illegal". I replied with, "Yeah, but it's already threaded, it came like that from the factory", and he said, "Nope, nobody is gonna thread it for you". He acted like I was a complete fucking weirdo because I wanted a rifle with a threaded muzzle. I felt like telling him, hey buddy, it's a fucking machinegun and I'm having the barrel chopped to 13, anybody that will do that ain't gonna give a shit about threading the muzzle. Oh, and I happen to own three of those "illegal" silencers and the BATF and sheriff know about it". This guy had me fuming with his idiotic statements. Instead I just said "thanks" and walked out. I've bought several guns there also, but never again will I step foot in that place. This guy has already pissed me off before too. I was having an AR lower shipped to me from out of state. I got a price of $20 quoted to me for the transfer from a shop about 15 miles from my house. This guy is less than a mile, so I dropped by and asked him if he would transfer an AR lower for me and I'd be willing to pay $20 because that is what I would pay elsewhere. He didn't act like he was too crazy about transferring an AR lower in the first place but said he would do it this time but it would cost $25. I told him, "Look, I've already got a place that will do it for $20. I'm giving you a chance to make an easy $20 or I can just go to the other place". Apparently he didn't want my money, so I went to the other place. I don't understand how people can like this guy. Then there was the pawn shop guy that wouldn't sell me preban high cap Glock magazines because only cops could buy them for the inflated price they were asking. When I asked him then what was the difference between the preban mags and the postban LEO mags laying next to them at less than 1/4 of the price he just stared at me. I called him a dumbass and went on. I've got more, but this one has ran on long enough. |
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Another bash the FFL holder thread...... Let me in[:D] Actually I have worked for more than one gunshop and the owners are some of the most bi-polar individuals you can imagine. Warm one minute and cold the next. But I find one shop I like and do most of my business there. I spend a lot of money at my current favorite, and he throws a few special deals my way. But there are others around that I would do business at, except for their crappy attitudes. I don't mind paying a little more to buy a gun from a local shop, rather than deal with Sportsman's Warehouse or Wal-Mart. But when I am treated like I am wasting their time, and they want $150-200 more for the same gun, give me a break. I know one guy that will do transfers for $10, but I don't mesh with him. It is a personality thing. Buying a firearm is a personal thing and I don't buy many from people or shops that I don't have at least a cordial relationship with. |
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I have been on both sides of the counter, and see both sides. I have walked into shops and heard things as stupid as "you can't buy a telescoping stock, they're banned". I've also had customers come in and ask some of the most retarded questions you can imagine, and then yell at me for telling them they're wrong. Selling guns is like anything else, you deal predominantly with morons, and you start to think that only morons exist. Also, if you have problems with your dealer, do you know how to communicate properly? I had customers come in that stammered, stuttered, and just plain didn't know how to intelligently convey an idea. Half the time we wound up in arguments where we were actually agreeing, they were just unable to get their point across. |
| What came first, the chicken or the egg. Are the local owners pricks, or were they made that way by customers who take up tons of their time and never buy anything????Also, these owners must charge more because of keeping inventory. The local kitchen table FFL holder doesn't have to do this. Thats why he can charge you a wholesale price and just tack on his fee.In a few years there won't be any mom and pop shops left..... |
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I have a gunshop here in Temple, Texas that is wonderful! The guys are all great, they treat all the customers with respect, I cant say enough. I have shopped around..searched the net...gunshows...and I wind up back at the same ole gunshop. I havent found any better yet. And NO. I dont work for them or even know them other than a customer/owner relationship. Webers in Temple, Texas. Look em up in your in Central Texas |
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I drive nearly an hour to do all my transfers at Florida Ammo Traders. (F.A.T. Phil's place) He charges me $20. I will even pay a little more at his place just to deal with him. I could get ammo cheaper at Ammoman but I'd rather shoot him the business. He's a great guy and his shop always has a couple guys hanging out talking about guns. Other shops just dont seem to give you the time of day. One guy at a pawn shop who says hes "armorer this, and I shoot that, I'm gonna get a carry permit....blah, blah, blah..." wont even talk to me anymore cause I called bulshit on him once. He was spewing some crap about AR's. Snotty nosed kid. |
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I support my local dealer by buying cleaning supplies from him. I'm not making a statement by this, it's just that few of the firearms or accessories he sells interests me. You see, most of the folks around here are "hunters" and I don't say that to smear those who like to persue game. These are the guys who like both types of music, country and western! I don't blame the dealer for catering to them, they spend a shload of money. |
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What does it take to keep a gunshop open? Well, you have to buy or lease the storefront space. Provide utilities for it. Secure it. Insure the blazes out of the inventory and carry good liability insurance. You've then got to stock it with a decent and marketable supply of guns, ammo, accessories, etc. buy fixtures for that stock to be displayed upon. Oh yeah, get your licenses from Fed, State and often municipality. Then you need to advertise to draw in customers. Staff the place to serve those customers, and put in lots of time and energy to train that staff and service your business and its customers. Then some A-hole walks in off the block and expects you to sell him a brand new gun for 25 bucks over your cost? WTF? Let's just talk staffing. Your average gun shop has a staff of two people at the counter. They may make anywhere from 10 bucks an hour to 25 or so. But for the sake of simplicity, call it ten. The store is open from ten in the morning until 8 in the evening for a total of 10 hours. So it costs 2000.00, not including taxes, worker's comp, etc. for those employees, so it's probably closer to 2600.00. Add in the half hour to one hour it takes to open and close the shop each day and you are looking at 2650.00. This does not include the rent, utilities and other overhead that varies dramatically from place to place. How many $25.00 transactions does it take to pay just that staffing charge? 106. You'd have to transfer 106 guns at 25.00 per to simply pay your staff to be there. Most gun shops I see are lucky to move ten guns through their doors per day, probably less. If you want these guys to stay open with stock on the shelves for you to fondle, you've got to allow them to not merely make their costs, but to make a profit. If they aren't making a profit, what is the point of being in business at all? There is nothing unreasonable about giving a gun store a markup of 10-25% above their cost. Depending upon the volume they are able to sell, that may be required just to break even and profits will have to come from accessories and services. Scary huh? |
| I go to the same gun shop here in my area, Double Action. They treat me very well there since my first time in there. I bought a gun at another store and went in there to use the range. The guy asked me if it was my first there I said yeah. I told him it was the first gun I owned (Ruger GP-100). He suggested I buy a box of .38 and box of .357. I went out on the range he spent a half hour with me teaching me. I have since bought all my guns there. Most of time when I have a gun on layaway there I make a $100 layaway payment then I buy a few boxes of ammo and want to get on the range and most of the time they tell me it free for the range since I spent enough money there today. Thier gun prices are a bit higher than other stores if you shop around but I will keep buying there because of the service I get there. I was looking at a M1a there one day and he said when I was ready to buy it just call them up before I leave my house and he would have the yellow form filled out and have back ground check done when I get there.(kiddingly) |
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I will concede that the one thing that it takes to really run a gun shop is knowledge of the industry. Not only what's hot and what's not, but who to get them from, who's new on the scene, and so on. The owner of the store I worked at was a moron. She (yes, she, it is owned by two women, the minority partner is awesome, its the "president" that's the boob) would tell us not to spend too long with customers looking at guns, and she would insist on keeping guns at full price that had sat on the shelves for so long that they had cost her 3x the original price of the gun. Unfortunately for most gun shop owners, it takes a knowledge of the industry, as well as a business sense, and understanding simple economics. Speding a dollar for no reason is MUCH different than spending a dollar to save you 2. |
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Quoted: What does it take to keep a gunshop open? Well, you have to buy or lease the storefront space. Provide utilities for it. Secure it. Insure the blazes out of the inventory and carry good liability insurance. You've then got to stock it with a decent and marketable supply of guns, ammo, accessories, etc. buy fixtures for that stock to be displayed upon. Oh yeah, get your licenses from Fed, State and often municipality. Then you need to advertise to draw in customers. Staff the place to serve those customers, and put in lots of time and energy to train that staff and service your business and its customers. Then some A-hole walks in off the block and expects you to sell him a brand new gun for 25 bucks over your cost? WTF? Let's just talk staffing. Your average gun shop has a staff of two people at the counter. They may make anywhere from 10 bucks an hour to 25 or so. But for the sake of simplicity, call it ten. The store is open from ten in the morning until 8 in the evening for a total of 10 hours. So it costs 2000.00, not including taxes, worker's comp, etc. for those employees, so it's probably closer to 2600.00. Add in the half hour to one hour it takes to open and close the shop each day and you are looking at 2650.00. This does not include the rent, utilities and other overhead that varies dramatically from place to place. How many $25.00 transactions does it take to pay just that staffing charge? 106. You'd have to transfer 106 guns at 25.00 per to simply pay your staff to be there. Most gun shops I see are lucky to move ten guns through their doors per day, probably less. If you want these guys to stay open with stock on the shelves for you to fondle, you've got to allow them to not merely make their costs, but to make a profit. If they aren't making a profit, what is the point of being in business at all? There is nothing unreasonable about giving a gun store a markup of 10-25% above their cost. Depending upon the volume they are able to sell, that may be required just to break even and profits will have to come from accessories and services. Scary huh? Well, there goes my idea of opening a gun shop. [V] |
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Quoted: Most shop owners start out just like everyone here--normal guys who love guns and want to "get into the business." They quickly become bitter, disenchanted, poor, broke, and lonely from dealing with the typical gun buyer. Trust me on this. [;)] I can understand that. Personally, I've had good in-store experiences with a few gunshops and bad service from a few too. I've had very good experience with these and have given them my business repeatedly: * Bear Arms Guns (Scottsdale & Shea) * Outdoorsman's (N.Cave Creek Rd.) * Caswells (Mesa) Because of their REPEATEDLY shitty service and attitude and/or high prices, I've walked out of these stores with $500-$1,000 cash a couple times (that I then spent at one of the above shops) and will never go back: * Shooter's World (28th Ave) * Mandall's (Scottsdale) A few others I won't mention. |
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Quoted: Quoted: What does it take to keep a gunshop open? Well, you have to buy or lease the storefront space. Provide utilities for it. Secure it. Insure the blazes out of the inventory and carry good liability insurance. You've then got to stock it with a decent and marketable supply of guns, ammo, accessories, etc. buy fixtures for that stock to be displayed upon. Oh yeah, get your licenses from Fed, State and often municipality. Then you need to advertise to draw in customers. Staff the place to serve those customers, and put in lots of time and energy to train that staff and service your business and its customers. Then some A-hole walks in off the block and expects you to sell him a brand new gun for 25 bucks over your cost? WTF? Let's just talk staffing. Your average gun shop has a staff of two people at the counter. They may make anywhere from 10 bucks an hour to 25 or so. But for the sake of simplicity, call it ten. The store is open from ten in the morning until 8 in the evening for a total of 10 hours. So it costs 2000.00, not including taxes, worker's comp, etc. for those employees, so it's probably closer to 2600.00. Add in the half hour to one hour it takes to open and close the shop each day and you are looking at 2650.00. This does not include the rent, utilities and other overhead that varies dramatically from place to place. How many $25.00 transactions does it take to pay just that staffing charge? 106. You'd have to transfer 106 guns at 25.00 per to simply pay your staff to be there. Most gun shops I see are lucky to move ten guns through their doors per day, probably less. If you want these guys to stay open with stock on the shelves for you to fondle, you've got to allow them to not merely make their costs, but to make a profit. If they aren't making a profit, what is the point of being in business at all? There is nothing unreasonable about giving a gun store a markup of 10-25% above their cost. Depending upon the volume they are able to sell, that may be required just to break even and profits will have to come from accessories and services. Scary huh? Well, there goes my idea of opening a gun shop. [V] Maybe I will just open up a whore house. I like chics like I like guns and it sounds like the money would be better. |
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I got screwed on my first gun, The gun shop was Duffy's(not sure if associated with Duffy of this site). He charged me $250 for a Ruger 10/22 Stainless/Synthetic. $100 for a cheap simmons. I know I should have compared prices. I checked on his website later and the same exact gun was $180. It was a stupid move on his part. He could have had me as a customer for my whole life, spending thousands of dollars. Now, I won't go in that store again. Now I will only go to Valley Gun, where the service is great. He also lost another customer over a $40 deposit fee. The customer(my friend) had bought $15000 worth of Class III. Then he places an order for a gun, calls a couple days later and they say the gun is being shipped. Calls a couple days after thgat and gets the same response. Finally he calls the owner and the owner says he needs a $40 deposit before he orders the gun. WTF? |
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I hgad to deal with a few shops till i found good ones. The three shitty ones, two both owned by "Stan" called tnT gunnery. The guys prices are inflated and he makes up his own law rgarding firearms transfer. He wanted to charge me $70 to transfer a lower. $35 was the transfer fee and $35 was for the law he maide up which stated that all firears coming into NY had to have a round fired through them into a tub of water where it would then be extracted and sent up to albany to be logged into the books. No such laws exists for rifles or any firearm in NY. Only thing close is pistols need to be shipped with a spent casing. The other place On Target was just a rude guy. His name was mario and he didnt like to take me seriously because i wasnt a 40 year old deer hunter. I found 2 places where they are more than happy to help and are honest and priced fairly. Hunter Sports of Merrick and LRB sales of floral park/bellrose. Always a pleasure dealing with them |
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Interesting, I have had nothing but excellent treatment locally. Post Road Guns in Warwick is run by an extremely pleasant gentleman. Many nice patrons eager to share knowledge in a non-condescending manner as well. I would hang out there but between the smoking [xx(] and the fact that each visit was costing me thousands...[;)] I have also been well treated at other area shops, and even over the phone when making inquiries. Gun shows are an entirely different matter. The few I have been to, usually in Massachusetts, have been awful. Extremely rude vendors, dirty, over-priced, pathetic selection. I always end up buying just books and a knife. |
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Quoted: Let's just talk staffing. Your average gun shop has a staff of two people at the counter. They may make anywhere from 10 bucks an hour to 25 or so. But for the sake of simplicity, call it ten. The store is open from ten in the morning until 8 in the evening for a total of 10 hours. So it costs 2000.00, not including taxes, worker's comp, etc. for those employees, so it's probably closer to 2600.00. Add in the half hour to one hour it takes to open and close the shop each day and you are looking at 2650.00. This does not include the rent, utilities and other overhead that varies dramatically from place to place. How many $25.00 transactions does it take to pay just that staffing charge? 106. You'd have to transfer 106 guns at 25.00 per to simply pay your staff to be there. Most gun shops I see are lucky to move ten guns through their doors per day, probably less. If you want these guys to stay open with stock on the shelves for you to fondle, you've got to allow them to not merely make their costs, but to make a profit. If they aren't making a profit, what is the point of being in business at all? There is nothing unreasonable about giving a gun store a markup of 10-25% above their cost. Depending upon the volume they are able to sell, that may be required just to break even and profits will have to come from accessories and services. Scary huh? I think you need to check your math. Two people at 10 bucks an hour for 10 hours is 200 dollars, not 2000. That said, you make a very valid point, especially if you are renting retail space in the SF bay area. |
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Quoted: Schizophrenia is rampant amongst CA dealers. They either love you or hate you. Depends on the day, or the phase of the moon, or some other unknown force. Has nothing to do with the amount of money I have previously spent in their shop. I'm treated like shit on a regular basis. And I spend a lot of cash on firearms and related equipment. Boy do i feel you. One store i often frequent has the most exorbant ammo prices, but they have a good selection so i tend to buy from them. After a few firearm purchases, i started to get pretty chatty with a bunch of the workers, and even the manager. Hell, they invited me to stick around one time after they closed. Go back a month later and when i walk in they act like i dont exist. [rolleyes] assholes |
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What I hate when dealing with shop owners is when I have done my homework, or have chosen a particular caliber (because I reload this caliber already), the shop owners dissuades me from getting what I want and tries to push something at me that's way different than I want. I have no problem with a dealer wanting to move product off the shelves, but you can't belittle someone and expect their business. The worst thing I've run into is seeing the same shop owner trying to sell a box of ammo (7.62x39) for 2 to 3 times it's cost, because he said, "there's no more coming in the country," or some crap like that (this was a couple of years ago!) I held back from telling him I went in on 3 cases with my little brother from the same place he ordered his ammo from, and we had no problems getting a steady supply. He lost my business trying to use "the sky is falling" excuse, especially when it wasn't. |
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The local gunshop I go to (The Armoury in Virginia Beach, VA) is one of the best gunshops I've had the pleasure to be a customer at. They treat all their cusntomers right, no BS to just sell a gun. They stand behind EVERYTHING they sell. They carry everything from AR's, AK's, riotguns, .50BMG's, etc. Not a huge selection, but a good one, and very good prices considering it's a retail shop. I've never had any problem ordering anything through them either. I purchased a HK P9S last year from them for $350. They are an authorized HK dealer, so it's not like they didn't know what it was worth, but they got it cheap and wanted it to move (and move it did, right into my gunsafe!). They aren't out to squeeze every penny out of a sale, but build a customer base they can rely on for repeat sales. I spend more money there than any other place I can think of, so it must work. You know you spend too much money at a gunshop when they know you by first name, and hand you a rifle from the rack without you asking because they know your tastes. (Like, "Here, this is just your speed" as he hands me a Beretta AR-70) Not the biggest show on Earth mind you, but just a plain old gunshop that is good in service, price and selection. Oh they are also class three, and have a couple gunsmiths, and are authorized dealers for Glock, HK, Springfield, Sig, etc. They do a pretty good LE business as well. There are also other gunshops in the area that you might as well walk into backwards, because your going to get it in the "end". Ross |
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Yeah, I've been to The Armory, and it was pretty good (except for the hours). Far better than what we have here in the Richmond area. "Bob Moates Sport Shop" is the sterotype that everyone complains about. Where else can you find an $800 rare Egyptian FN 49, and a 75 round Norinco Drum for $300 (it's been there for years). Greentops is heaven to the hunter, but merely normal for those who just enjoy shooting/collecting. Happily, the slack is taken up by local gun shows. |
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Quoted: The local gunshop I go to (The Armoury in Virginia Beach, VA) is one of the best gunshops I've had the pleasure to be a customer at. They treat all their cusntomers right, no BS to just sell a gun. They stand behind EVERYTHING they sell. They carry everything from AR's, AK's, riotguns, .50BMG's, etc. Not a huge selection, but a good one, and very good prices considering it's a retail shop. I've never had any problem ordering anything through them either. I purchased a HK P9S last year from them for $350. They are an authorized HK dealer, so it's not like they didn't know what it was worth, but they got it cheap and wanted it to move (and move it did, right into my gunsafe!). They aren't out to squeeze every penny out of a sale, but build a customer base they can rely on for repeat sales. I spend more money there than any other place I can think of, so it must work. You know you spend too much money at a gunshop when they know you by first name, and hand you a rifle from the rack without you asking because they know your tastes. (Like, "Here, this is just your speed" as he hands me a Beretta AR-70) Not the biggest show on Earth mind you, but just a plain old gunshop that is good in service, price and selection. Oh they are also class three, and have a couple gunsmiths, and are authorized dealers for Glock, HK, Springfield, Sig, etc. They do a pretty good LE business as well. There are also other gunshops in the area that you might as well walk into backwards, because your going to get it in the "end". Ross I purchased my first AR there and have not found a better price, even after a couple years of looking . I whole heartly agree with everything you have said. |