[ARCHIVED THREAD] - guns snobs - i hate them (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 10/13/2009 11:29:57 AM EDT
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theres a few around here but there are some forums that i hang out on that they are there in numbers. the topic of del-ton products came up and the snobs chime in with "i wouldn't trust my life on it" - "if your gonna build you might as well build quality" - "the cheapest i would go would be dpms" , etc. i guarantee these snobs have not even used a del-ton product.
i for one am not a snob i will buy what my budget allows. my del-ton, JSE, M-A guns will shoot the bad buy just as dead as your LMT rig and my UTG rail will hold a flashlight just as well as your DD. just had to vent a little, these guys really get on my nerves sometimes. |
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i have build 2 del-ton kits and i have three friends who have build one each. i know of no problems with the kits. i get great accuracy out of mine and it has never jammed. i would and do trust my life with these guns.
and as a bonus they give a discount to C&R FFL. i love saving money!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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If I paid for an account here, I'd "ignore" everyone who posts "buy once, cry once". But I'm too cheap.  You'd have ignored a few people that give valuable information about other things like computers and optics. I'm in IT with a CS degree, and I prefer iron sites. 
eta: And, fwiw, I buy all of my tools at harbor freight. They really do make some good stuff contrary to the harbor freight threads here. |
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While I tend to agree with you...99% of us will never fire an AR "for real"..in combat or self defense.....people that rely on their ARs want something that won't let them down. If I was going into combat, I'd want the most reliable firearm with the lowest failure rate possible. For casual range shooting, if it goes bang...that's probably good enough.
This Thread Parts that Break In A Carbine Course makes for a very good read. |
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If you have a rifle that has 10k plus rounds downrange with minimal malfunctions and is still going, then good for you, but most brands that you mention don't typically make it as fighting rifles. Just saying... Considering how many people here will actually use their personal AR as a "fighting rifle"... Just sayin' |
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If I paid for an account here, I'd "ignore" everyone who posts "buy once, cry once". But I'm too cheap. You'd have ignored a few people that give valuable information about other things like computers and optics. I'm in IT with a CS degree, and I prefer iron sites.
eta: And, fwiw, I buy all of my tools at harbor freight. They really do make some good stuff. Advice on fleshlights? |
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Gun are tools, and its all about the application of the tool: what are you using it for.
I don't like hi-pointe pistols, they are fucking bricks, especially that abortion of a .380 masquerading in a full size pot metal handgun. If however someone wanted a cheap handgun that they could keep in a tool box on the back of their ATV, sure then I get that. Same thing for rifles. I know people who will never carry their AR to a training class, much less a fun CMP match to get a marginal amount of training/instruction. They want an AR to shoot 40-60 rds through once or twice a month in the warm months and that is it. Does that person need a Noveske 16" tactical carbine. Fuck no. Should a LEO that is equipping himself for his patrol carbine shop at UTG.com for his quad rails, flashlight, and lazer combo, Fuck no. It all depends on what the end user is going to be using it for, that is why I'm not quick to slam Model 1, M&A, etc for providing affordable AR parts for people that just aren't going to be seriously shooting their rifles. Not everyone needs, wants or even can justify to themselves (price point) on getting a high end AR. |
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not a gun snob...gun nut definitely
I am like a lot of people...I own some high end weapons and some that some would call junk. My .02 is, if you don't like it...don't look at it or comment about it. That being said, if you don't like a particular firearm in my arsenal...I'll give ya a 100 yard head start
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Guns are like cars.....A Chevy will get you there just like a Benz will or like watches .....a Rolex will tell time just like a Timex will. There is always someone who has something nice that will behave in an obnoxious way. There will also be some poor dude that will hate a more successful person because he has something that the poor guy will never have. Welcome to life! |
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I bought a cheap flashlight mount for my duty rifle. I thought people who paid more were idiots, since my mount held my flashlight in place just as well as the ones that cost many more. Until I dropped it on day and it groove you slide onto the rail broke. Its nice knowing the Surefire I currently have will likely never break the same way. If your using your guns to take out to the range and blast away, or even for home defense, you'll probably be fine. But, if you run them hard, and actually have to interact with the world (run with them, brush up against cover, run the risk of falling down, etc.), you really don't want to cheap. |
| While I don't consider myself a "gun snob" I do like to have well built weapons. You will find that is the case for most around here. I tend to take the advice of those around here who run/actively participate in carbine courses over those who whine and bitch about "gun snobs." If someone with credential on the subject says it sucks, then I will take their word for it. That's why I contribute here. |
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I'm not a gun snob. Get whatever the fuck makes you happy. I like to get the good shit when I can afford it and ignore the cheap shit until I can afford the good shit. I've learned my lesson too often. For instance, I bought a CR Sebenza for $385 before I bought any other good knife. Since then, I haven't spent a dime on folding knives. Probably never will. If you work your way up to the good shit, it just means you've bought a lot of lousy shit in the process.
Just my way these days. I can't afford to fuck up. Too broke.
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It's more expensiver than colt. It must be better! |
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I like nice shit like anyone but sometimes you do best with what you have. I guess the best way to shut everyone up is to take your guns to a shooting competition and beat everyone or at least get their respect. I dont think anyone will change their ways unless you can prove them wrong so... I cant say either way but I have a bushmaster modular carbine with quad rail, flip up sights and fluted chrome lined barrel, all came standard. Many would say this and that but I bet they dont hit 300 meter pop ups on iron sights, consistently. While in the army I had a piece of crap "hasbro" (no shit!) M16A2 and hit 40/40 including 300 meter targets. Twice.
HASBRO son!!! I bet that thing had been in the army since christ was a corporal and had thousand of rounds of tracer, ball and blanks and had been jumped at least a couple hundred times. |
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It doesn't bother me. Doesn't matter if you're talking about guns, pencils, cars/trucks, or electronics. There are those that have to have the most expensive stuff to say theirs is better than yours. Some feel they have bragging rights over what you have. FWIW I have seen the high dollar firearms fail either due to ammo or aftermarket products installed incorrectly. If it has moving parts it can fail, add in some mud, dirt, moisture and some bad weather, then the scale can slide a little.
I've seen guys with bolt guns that have 4K or more into the gun, then another 2K in optics and goodies, but yet they shoot at pop cans with cheapest, non consistent ammo they can find. 
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theres a few around here but there are some forums that i hang out on that they are there in numbers. the topic of del-ton products came up and the snobs chime in with "i wouldn't trust my life on it" - "if your gonna build you might as well build quality" - "the cheapest i would go would be dpms" , etc. i guarantee these snobs have not even used a del-ton product. i for one am not a snob i will buy what my budget allows. my del-ton, JSE, M-A guns will shoot the bad buy just as dead as your LMT rig and my UTG rail will hold a flashlight just as well as your DD. just had to vent a little, these guys really get on my nerves sometimes. Just a few? 
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i for one am not a snob i will buy what my budget allows. my del-ton, JSE, M-A guns will shoot the bad buy just as dead as your LMT rig and my UTG rail will hold a flashlight just as well as your DD. just had to vent a little, these guys really get on my nerves sometimes. You seem to be confusing weapons and equipment meant for serious social purposes with weapons and equipment meant to be the lowest cost option. The fact that something has worked for your limited requirements does not automatically mean it is "just as good" as something designed to remain functional and reliable under much more demanding conditions. Will a bad guy you manage to shoot using a Del-Ton with an airsoft rail care that you used a del-ton with an airsoft rail? Of course not. The fact that it's a Del-ton with an airsoft rail, however, impacts whether or not you'll be able to successfully put that round into the vital bits of the bad guy's anatomy. THAT is why people who use weapons for serious social purposes tend to favor other options. This does not make them "snobs"...it just makes them sensible. If the extent of your requirements for an AR are punching holes in paper and preparation for the coming zombie apocalypse, anything will do. If your intention is to have a defensive tool that you may call upon in a dire moment, however, some choices are demonstrably better than others. |
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theres a few around here but there are some forums that i hang out on that they are there in numbers. the topic of del-ton products came up and the snobs chime in with "i wouldn't trust my life on it" - "if your gonna build you might as well build quality" - "the cheapest i would go would be dpms" , etc. i guarantee these snobs have not even used a del-ton product. i for one am not a snob i will buy what my budget allows. my del-ton, JSE, M-A guns will shoot the bad buy just as dead as your LMT rig and my UTG rail will hold a flashlight just as well as your DD. just had to vent a little, these guys really get on my nerves sometimes. Thats fine if you like your cheaper stuff but ,brands like LMT don't charge more for their products just because they feel like it. There is a lot to building a top quality firearm and brands like Del-ton relax their standards of quality to meet their lower price points. Some people may buy more costly brands to be cool or show off but most of us just want the best rifle we can get. And there are very good ARs out there for less than an LMT. Rock River Arms is a good example. They cost a little less that most LMT rifles but are still made using appropriate materials and tolerances. But brands like del-ton,vulcan,olympic,ect do not make rifles that are acceptable IMHO. |
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theres a few around here but there are some forums that i hang out on that they are there in numbers. the topic of del-ton products came up and the snobs chime in with "i wouldn't trust my life on it" - "if your gonna build you might as well build quality" - "the cheapest i would go would be dpms" , etc. i guarantee these snobs have not even used a del-ton product. i for one am not a snob i will buy what my budget allows. my del-ton, JSE, M-A guns will shoot the bad buy just as dead as your LMT rig and my UTG rail will hold a flashlight just as well as your DD. just had to vent a little, these guys really get on my nerves sometimes. Thats fine if you like your cheaper stuff but ,brands like LMT don't charge more for their products just because they feel like it. There is a lot to building a top quality firearm and brands like Del-ton relax their standards of quality to meet their lower price points. Some people may buy more costly brands to be cool or show off but most of us just want the best rifle we can get. And there are very good ARs out there for less than an LMT. Rock River Arms is a good example. They cost a little less that most LMT rifles but are still made using appropriate materials and tolerances. But brands like del-ton,vulcan,olympic,ect do not make rifles that are acceptable IMHO. What inappropriate materials is del-ton using? |