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TX, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 4:56:43 PM EST
Paging @right_rudder
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Posted: Yesterday 5:07:01 PM EST
[#1]
Two words:
Faraday Cage. |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:09:29 PM EST
[#2]
How do I activate BFU state. Need to know more intensifies
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TX, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:10:07 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Two words: Faraday Cage. If you read the links, one of the phones WAS in a faraday box |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:11:18 PM EST
[#4]
So do these things just sit around on chargers?
I can't imagine many cases moving along fast enough to not have a phone want to update periodically. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:13:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: How do I activate BFU state. Need to know more intensifies Restart your phone and don’t enter PIN or otherwise “open” it for use. On an iPhone it’s easy to see because it will give you a message about entering PIN after a restart. |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:15:09 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boregonian: Restart your phone and don’t enter PIN or otherwise “open” it for use. On an iPhone it’s easy to see because it will give you a message about entering PIN after a restart. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boregonian: Originally Posted By spidey07: How do I activate BFU state. Need to know more intensifies Restart your phone and don’t enter PIN or otherwise “open” it for use. On an iPhone it’s easy to see because it will give you a message about entering PIN after a restart. Ok, so startup. How to tell Siri “power my phone down now” need to know intensifies. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:15:10 PM EST
[#7]
AFU = after first unlock
BFU = before first unlock These phones were likely in a state of examination or pending examination and were being actively monitored and powered. |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:15:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: If you read the links, one of the phones WAS in a faraday box Was it kept in Faraday conditions when they were actively messing with it? I'm thinking that allowing any sort of connectivity to an electronic item intended to be used as evidence of what a criminal defendant did with it months prior is a serious chain of evidence issue. Now, if the OS has a "reboot and try to connect" algorithm for devices kept turned on for days/weeks/months of nonuse in Faraday conditions, then tough shit, you just got rebooted. |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:16:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: GlockPride]
[#9]
Can’t you just ‘nuke’ it if it’s gets lost/stolen/etc and delete the data via your iTunes account?
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Posted: Yesterday 5:16:22 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Two words: Faraday Cage. The article is saying that if it is in a faraday cage the phone may be configured to realize that and then reboot. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:16:52 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Two words: Faraday Cage. This, standard precaution. Anyone storing an iphone as evidence that doesnt is dumb. |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:16:59 PM EST
[#12]
How do I film the cops and power down my phone at the same time?
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USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:19:51 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: How do I film the cops and power down my phone at the same time? Wear a body cam? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:24:03 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlockPride: Can’t you just ‘nuke’ it if it’s gets lost/stolen/etc and delete the data via your iTunes account? The phone were not connected to any network. No way for iTunes to tell the phone to self destruct. |
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USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:25:27 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joemama74: So do these things just sit around on chargers? I can't imagine many cases moving along fast enough to not have a phone want to update periodically. From my reading what they are implying is that any phones with iOS 18 are broadcasting a signal that triggers phones around it to reboot if they are not attached to the cellular network and have not been rebooted or unlocked within some unknown period of time. The phones in evidence were being continually powered to maintain the unlocked state. They were in a faraday cage to isolate them from the cellular network. From a privacy standpoint that is a pretty smart move for Apple. It would seem to be an attempt to thwart LEO efforts to use unlocked phones as evidence. |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:27:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: Ok, so startup. How to tell Siri “power my phone down now” need to know intensifies. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: Originally Posted By Boregonian: Originally Posted By spidey07: How do I activate BFU state. Need to know more intensifies Restart your phone and don’t enter PIN or otherwise “open” it for use. On an iPhone it’s easy to see because it will give you a message about entering PIN after a restart. Ok, so startup. How to tell Siri “power my phone down now” need to know intensifies. You can force the phone to require a PIN/passcode by initiating an emergency call. https://support.apple.com/guide/personal-safety/emergency-call-text-iphone-apple-watch-ips4f0cd709b/web If your phone is on iOS 18, there’s a power button in the top right area of the control center. You can shut it down without going through settings. If you want to hard reboot the phone, here’s the procedure. https://support.apple.com/en-us/116940 |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:29:49 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: AFU = after first unlock BFU = before first unlock These phones were likely in a state of examination or pending examination and were being actively monitored and powered. Desire to know more on how to tell iPhone to go BFU with voice comand or loss of cell service intensifies. Sir, step out of the car. “Siri go BFU now! Make it so! Authorization not today copper” |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:31:05 PM EST
[#18]
And the Apple nerd looked at me so funny when I got my new phone and only wanted a pin.
"No, I don't want fingerprint recognition or facial recognition enabled. I am old fashioned, I just want a pin." |
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GA, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:31:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: Desire to know more on how to tell iPhone to go BFU with voice comand or loss of cell service intensifies. Sir, step out of the car. “Siri go BFU now! Make it so! Authorization not today copper” If you really wanna screw with the cops, put it in DFU mode. |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:32:05 PM EST
[#20]
Does this apply to users that keep their phone pass worded up all the time anyway ? How hard is it to get past an iPhone password while retaining the phone data ?
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Posted: Yesterday 5:32:36 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By giantpune: If you really wanna screw with the cops, put it in DFU mode. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By spidey07: Desire to know more on how to tell iPhone to go BFU with voice comand or loss of cell service intensifies. Sir, step out of the car. “Siri go BFU now! Make it so! Authorization not today copper” If you really wanna screw with the cops, put it in DFU mode. Don’t fuck up? 
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AL, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:38:30 PM EST
[#22]
It's likely that the phones are equipped with Bluetooth Low Energy enabled Bluetooth chips. BLE is a low power mesh method of sending and receiving small commands and data amounts without access to cellular data nets just by being near a compatible device sending and listening for manufacturers commands and replies.
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Posted: Yesterday 5:43:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 20andOUT]
[#23]
I was on the jury for a case where a father that was molesting his kindergarten age daughter had evidence on his phone. The idiot detective put the phone in his desk and the father remotely wiped his phone.
I’m a big fan of privacy protections but in this case the fuckup from the cops meant he got 30 years instead of the more significant charge they then couldn’t prove that probably would have put him away for the rest of his life. |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:47:16 PM EST
[#24]
Good!
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Posted: Yesterday 5:48:42 PM EST
[#25]
Siri you rock. Just ask “power down now”, all you have to do is click a button on screen.
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Posted: Yesterday 5:48:46 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 20andOUT: I was on the jury for a case where a father that was molesting his kindergarten age daughter had evidence on his phone. The idiot detective put the phone in his desk and the father remotely wiped his phone. I’m a big fan of privacy protections but in this case the fuckup from the cops meant he got 30 years instead of the more significant charge they then couldn’t prove that probably would have put him away for the rest of his life. The father shouldn’t have been arrested. It should have been a call to the ME. 
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Posted: Yesterday 5:50:10 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: Desire to know more on how to tell iPhone to go BFU with voice comand or loss of cell service intensifies. Sir, step out of the car. "Siri go BFU now! Make it so! Authorization not today copper" |
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Posted: Yesterday 5:52:55 PM EST
[#28]
Confirmed. You can ask Siri to power down now. Press button on screen and it’s done.
Tried 4 times. Takes 2 seconds |
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TN, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:54:00 PM EST
[#29]
You can press the side button on your iPhone several times real fast and it will lock.
It then requires a password to get in. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 5:55:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: giantpune]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 20andOUT: I was on the jury for a case where a father that was molesting his kindergarten age daughter had evidence on his phone. The idiot detective put the phone in his desk and the father remotely wiped his phone. I’m a big fan of privacy protections but in this case the fuckup from the cops meant he got 30 years instead of the more significant charge they then couldn’t prove that probably would have put him away for the rest of his life. I used to work on cell phone data recovery for law enforcement. We recovered data from phones that had been wiped and factory reset. I know for sure there's a dude on texas death row (murdered a 13yr old girl) after we found web browsing history, facebook posts, call logs, and text message history. The phones are getting better and better about making it harder, but you'd be surprised. |
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Posted: Yesterday 6:51:48 PM EST
[#31]
What democrat has an iphone in evidence and is worried about a Trump admin restarting a previously ignored investigation?
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Posted: Yesterday 6:53:30 PM EST
[#32]
It’s that new 18.2 skynet, it’s gone sentient.
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FL, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 6:55:08 PM EST
[#33]
My Android running GrapheneOs is set to automatically reboot every 3 hours if it is untouched. It will also automatically disable the usb port, and even the charging function. These are mitigation techniques for snoopers.
Is there settings like this for apple? |
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Posted: Yesterday 6:57:29 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joemama74: So do these things just sit around on chargers? I can't imagine many cases moving along fast enough to not have a phone want to update periodically. When the FBI seizes a desktop computer they can cut into the wall to expose the electrical wires. They have large portable UPS systems that they wheel in, connect the wires, disconnect the other ones and move the computer, still running, off to the lab. 
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Posted: Yesterday 6:58:07 PM EST
[#35]
Originally Posted By mcantu: Paging @right_rudder
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Posted: Yesterday 7:01:10 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: Siri you rock. Just ask “power down now”, all you have to do is click a button on screen. I just tried that on my desktop and it shut the power off to the house.
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Posted: Yesterday 7:03:34 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: I just tried that on my desktop and it shut the power off to the house. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: Originally Posted By spidey07: Siri you rock. Just ask “power down now”, all you have to do is click a button on screen. I just tried that on my desktop and it shut the power off to the house. I didn’t even have to do “hey siri”. Just “Siri power down” |
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Posted: Yesterday 7:06:42 PM EST
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Posted: Yesterday 7:17:57 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: How do I activate BFU state. Need to know more intensifies Only applies to older devices or older OS versions |
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Posted: Yesterday 7:21:35 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By giantpune: If you really wanna screw with the cops, put it in DFU mode. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 7:24:48 PM EST
[#41]
Not surprising. Apple is a shithole liberal company.
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GA, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 7:28:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLookingGlass: My Android running GrapheneOs is set to automatically reboot every 3 hours if it is untouched. It will also automatically disable the usb port, and even the charging function. These are mitigation techniques for snoopers. Is there settings like this for apple? LOL, are you serious? Let's see that on a standard Android build first. |
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Posted: Yesterday 8:10:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: TheWellGuy]
[#43]
I've been android and never Apple since before flip phone's. Everyone is Apple now...
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FL, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 8:24:10 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gtsteve03: LOL, are you serious? Let's see that on a standard Android build first. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gtsteve03: Originally Posted By TheLookingGlass: My Android running GrapheneOs is set to automatically reboot every 3 hours if it is untouched. It will also automatically disable the usb port, and even the charging function. These are mitigation techniques for snoopers. Is there settings like this for apple? LOL, are you serious? Let's see that on a standard Android build first. I'd love to compare it to a custom apple build but they don't seem to allow it, so it's either an "apple to oranges comparison" or nothing at all with them. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 8:31:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SigM400: Not surprising. Apple is a shithole liberal company. |
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Posted: Yesterday 9:11:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nootropics: This should be standard on any phone. Anyone who wants to crack my phone for any reason should be denied that ability. As we've seen time and time again sometimes they catch real criminals and sometimes it's a witch hunt. Having law enforcement unfettered access to my stuff is a no from me dawg. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nootropics: Originally Posted By SigM400: Not surprising. Apple is a shithole liberal company.  Attached Filehttps://support.apple.com/en-us/111806 |
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USA
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Posted: Yesterday 9:20:04 PM EST
[#47]
The governement should try hard as it can within the confines of the 4th Amendment to legally obtain investigatory information. The public and corporations should try as hard as they can to thwart such mesaures. It's a nice, peaceful, neverending arms race between tyrant and free men.
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Posted: Yesterday 9:27:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: Marie]
[#48]
Never mind.
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Posted: Yesterday 10:21:06 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLookingGlass: My Android running GrapheneOs is set to automatically reboot every 3 hours if it is untouched. It will also automatically disable the usb port, and even the charging function. These are mitigation techniques for snoopers. Is there settings like this for apple? That is pretty cool. Slightly paranoid sounding, but pretty cool. |
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Posted: Yesterday 10:26:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joemama74: So do these things just sit around on chargers? I can't imagine many cases moving along fast enough to not have a phone want to update periodically. Yes. A wall of chargers to keep them while they are being cracked OR waiting for their turn on the box. I have one at 2 years and still isn't cracked If a phone got a signal, their faraday setup is weak. Even the cords have been blamed for opening a faraday bag, so dedicated boxes, rooms, etc. are the standard. |
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