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4/2/2008 5:14:08 AM EDT
Ok, I have a 16x32 inground pool, it killed my dog and I have to get rid of it.  It has a concrete apron around it.  What is the best/easiest way to get rid of it.  Anyone?

I was thinking to just bust up the apron, toss it in the pool, then cover the whole thing up with topsoil.  Or is there a better way?
4/2/2008 5:17:57 AM EDT
[#1]
Talk top the AHJ about decommissioning a pool.
In most places you need to break out the bottom to ensure drainage and then backfill.
4/2/2008 5:19:57 AM EDT
[#2]
Who is AHJ?

(I didn't think about breaking out the bottom though!)
4/2/2008 5:23:23 AM EDT
[#3]
i cant help too much. but the idea of decommissioning it is so they dont keep charging property taxes based on having a pool. Im not sure ppl are aware of this esp. when they let their pool go to shit, they are still paying for that pool in a round about way.

Most ppl just fill the pool in with dirt (and dont break up the bottom). But you could do it that way as well.

Turn it into an underground bunker. thats the arfom way.

4/2/2008 5:27:14 AM EDT
[#4]
Pour a concrete cap and cover with dirt.


Custom made bunker!
4/2/2008 8:00:29 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Pour a concrete cap and cover with dirt.


Custom made bunker!


Oh yes. I like this idea! Do it...FOR THE CHILDREN.
4/2/2008 11:28:16 AM EDT
[#6]
Break some holes on the bottom for drainage, bust up the apron and toss in the pool, get fill. I done this twice in Florida and the AHJ had no problems with it.

Good luck,
4/2/2008 11:37:33 AM EDT
[#7]
What are the bottoms of pools usually made of, is it a simple matter of cutting the liner (Is it over sand?) or is there concrete under there usually?
4/2/2008 12:32:44 PM EDT
[#8]
AHJ = Authority Having Jurisdiction
Whatever passes for a building inspection official.
If you fail to open up the bottom it will turn into a huge mud hole as rain gradually saturates the fill.
4/2/2008 1:28:17 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
AHJ = Authority Having Jurisdiction
Whatever passes for a building inspection official.
If you fail to open up the bottom it will turn into a huge mud hole as rain gradually saturates the fill.


Makes sense!  Thanks.
4/2/2008 1:41:05 PM EDT
[#10]
How did it kill your dog?
4/2/2008 2:08:33 PM EDT
[#11]
Arrrgghh.  I had the most beautiful black lab, she was three years old, about 110 pounds, blockiest head you ever saw.  She got under the fence and then under the cover, and could not negotiate the floor which angled down sharply into the deep end.  From the scratch marks on the floor and sides she was fighting for a day or so.

Of course the whole time I was driving around the area, hollering out the window.  I found her two weeks after she went missing.

While I understand it is ultimately my fault, I am blaming the pool and going to do a proper job of filling that evil bastard in.
4/2/2008 2:29:59 PM EDT
[#12]
If your inground pool has a vinyl liner, I would remove it completely along with the steel side panels. That way the only thing left is to push the concrete walk/patio into the middle and then have a local dump truck company bring you in some clean fill dirt.

I would rent a bobcat for a day, it will go quicker.
4/2/2008 4:30:50 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
What are the bottoms of pools usually made of, is it a simple matter of cutting the liner (Is it over sand?) or is there concrete under there usually?


My two were about four inches on concrete maybe a little more. I saw cut them (because I have a saw) and jack hammered the bottom too.

Call around soemthimes you can get small operators to bring you fill and put it in its place for less than doing it yourself. Check your local flyer for Bobcat services.

4/4/2008 7:02:30 PM EDT
[#14]
Neighbor just had this done.  He removed his liner and they broke up all the concrete, jack hammered the bottom and threw all the concrete in.  Then, filled in with soil.  After a few weeks, I can see they will need more topsoil as it is settling in and leaving large pits.
4/5/2008 3:35:48 AM EDT
[#15]

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Neighbor just had this done.  He removed his liner and they broke up all the concrete, jack hammered the bottom and threw all the concrete in.  Then, filled in with soil.  After a few weeks, I can see they will need more topsoil as it is settling in and leaving large pits.


thats what I thought would happen, I am going to think there needs to be a 1 month, 3 month and 6 month fill.
4/5/2008 4:01:51 AM EDT
[#16]
Why not just drain it and cover it?  If you ever decide to sell the house that's a lot of money to throw away.  Condolences on the loss of your dog.  
4/5/2008 4:08:30 AM EDT
[#17]

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Why not just drain it and cover it?  If you ever decide to sell the house that's a lot of money to throw away.  Condolences on the loss of your dog.  


I've always heard that a pool doesn't really ad any value to a house b/c of the maintenance issues.  Is that just a popular misconception?

And to the OP, I'm sorry about the loss of  your dog in such a tragic manner.  
4/5/2008 9:02:47 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Neighbor just had this done.  He removed his liner and they broke up all the concrete, jack hammered the bottom and threw all the concrete in.  Then, filled in with soil.  After a few weeks, I can see they will need more topsoil as it is settling in and leaving large pits.


Unless you fill it with about 8 inch lifts and then pack after each lift it is going to settle a significant amount.
4/5/2008 1:25:19 PM EDT
[#19]
What are 8 inch lifts?
4/5/2008 1:27:28 PM EDT
[#20]
gunsafe
4/5/2008 1:45:18 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
gunsafe


+1 no kidding

I know this isn't the bullshit GD forum, but are you going to get rid of your truck when it kills the next dog?

I don't get that logic.

It's going to take some major money to fix that hole in the ground, especially if it's in the city limits.
4/5/2008 2:35:01 PM EDT
[#22]
Not in the city limits  (500 acre parcel of land in NY State), I never really liked the pool, we have a lake and a few small ponds which cover the water needs, and it would make the landscaping on this house a bit more pleasant.  The fact that I had to go and pull my 2 week dead dog out of it, with a fine layer of floating fat that had leeched out of her and that she was basically just a bag of bones, well that sealed the deal for me.

Would I get rid of the truck?  Doubt it, but this is a good excuse for me.
4/6/2008 6:26:09 AM EDT
[#23]

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What are 8 inch lifts?


Lifts refers to how much fill is added before it is compacted each time.
Larger equipment allows for larger lifts, but anything much past 12 inches starts to have problems even with very heavy equipment (Dynapak).
In a small area like a pool you will be limited to a vibratory plate tamper, and they seldom work well on more than 8 inches at a time.
4/6/2008 7:01:42 AM EDT
[#24]
Steel ibeams accross the top, then make a concrete roof, and your now have a tornado shelter/ bomb shelter/ bunker.

4/6/2008 9:23:11 AM EDT
[#25]
Bunker!!!!


Well, break up the bottom, get it bashed in and stuff, fill it up. Call the town they may want proof/certain things done to make it 100% is all.

4/6/2008 3:39:47 PM EDT
[#26]
A bunker of EPIC proportions. Seriously, I WOULD entertain the idea of a bunker.
4/7/2008 6:36:37 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
A bunker of EPIC proportions. Seriously, I WOULD entertain the idea of a bunker.


Got one, and it was designed for that purpose, a pool, covered over would be...sub-optimal.
4/7/2008 7:32:49 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
A bunker of EPIC proportions. Seriously, I WOULD entertain the idea of a bunker.


Got one, and it was designed for that purpose, a pool, covered over would be...sub-optimal.


4/7/2008 9:57:19 AM EDT
[#29]
Here is another idea, although I like the bunker idea better.

www.mayfieldbrothers.com/projects/032/index.htm
4/7/2008 11:29:21 AM EDT
[#30]
I also vote for the bunker.

-James
4/7/2008 11:33:30 AM EDT
[#31]
My parent's have a filled in pool. The bottom was never chopped, or anything, just filled in with dirt and covered with seed. If you dig down about half a foot, you'll hit the concrete if you know where.

One thing I noticed, is that the grass is *much* greener and taller in that rectangle. So much so that my dad wants to tear it out because a day or two after being mowed, it looks like it hasn't been touched in a month. I don't have a camera to post pictures, though it's pretty ridiculous. Mom, however, finally has enough time to where she can tend a garden, and I'm really interested to see how well it does.
4/7/2008 11:39:35 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
My parent's have a filled in pool. The bottom was never chopped, or anything, just filled in with dirt and covered with seed. If you dig down about half a foot, you'll hit the concrete if you know where.

One thing I noticed, is that the grass is *much* greener and taller in that rectangle. So much so that my dad wants to tear it out because a day or two after being mowed, it looks like it hasn't been touched in a month. I don't have a camera to post pictures, though it's pretty ridiculous. Mom, however, finally has enough time to where she can tend a garden, and I'm really interested to see how well it does.


probably because that area retains water that the surrounding area allows to drain off. So the grass will be greener.
4/7/2008 11:41:11 AM EDT
[#33]
BTW we had a well filled in awhile back and the county did all the work for free. They want it done a particular way and decided it was easiest to get homeowners to do it that way if they just came out with some convicts and did the work themselves.
4/7/2008 2:24:48 PM EDT
[#34]

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BTW we had a well filled in awhile back and the county did all the work for free. They want it done a particular way and decided it was easiest to get homeowners to do it that way if they just came out with some convicts and did the work themselves.


Yikes! This is NY, and I fully expect when I tell the town, that I will be slapped with any number of restraining orders, work permit applications, thrice daily inspection requirements, the number to the local union hall, and a requirement to use sterilized dirt.   Nothing in NY is ever easy, or for the benefit of the landowner.
4/8/2008 5:50:04 PM EDT
[#35]
Depending on your water table it may "float" if you take out the water and destroy itself.  That crap happens here all the time.  Deep end drains here have a blind cap to dirt and a plumbed section leading to the pump.  Pump that thing dry before and during a good rain and it may rise up a couple of feet and shatter itself to pieces.  The ground caves in around the perimiter and the pool pops up already fractured.  easy to finish that job and saves a ton of work.  Let me tell you, when they let go like that you would swear there is an earthquake.
4/8/2008 5:58:47 PM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
A bunker of EPIC proportions. Seriously, I WOULD entertain the idea of a bunker.


Got one, and it was designed for that purpose, a pool, covered over would be...sub-optimal.
I'm gonna call for pics or I'm raising the BS flag. Another vote for the bunker. If in the fact that the said bunker does exist, then use it for excess storage.