Posted: 12/26/2009 2:06:48 PM EDT
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did Big Army stop issuing these to IET recruits?
they look and (apparently are) a shitload warmer/ nicer looking than these Gore-Tex coats |
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you talking about the ones with the hood in the collar? I know that my OSUT cycle was one of the last to get them, all the new recruits didn't get them instead they got an extra set of summer boots and maybe an ACU parka....they were issued them with their TA50 so they may have to turn them back in I'll have to double check to see exactly what mine is but I think it may be what you're talking about. We never got issued any of the ECWS stuff...I'd kill for one of those fleece jackets though. Gonna be spending a lot of time out in the field soon and I'd kill to have a fleece jacket with me more than rain gear which I didn't get issued |
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you talking about the ones with the hood in the collar? I know that my OSUT cycle was one of the last to get them, all the new recruits didn't get them instead they got an extra set of summer boots and maybe an ACU parka....they were issued them with their TA50 so they may have to turn them back in I'll have to double check to see exactly what mine is but I think it may be what you're talking about. We never got issued any of the ECWS stuff...I'd kill for one of those fleece jackets though. Gonna be spending a lot of time out in the field soon and I'd kill to have a fleece jacket with me more than rain gear which I didn't get issued We got issued gore-tex jackets, no liners. You have to layer under it to get warm. 
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Quoted: We got issued gore-tex jackets, no liners. You have to layer under it to get warm. That's all randy-dandy....cept my last 2 COC's basically gave us the big ole FU whenever we wanted to wear our snivel gear. I can't stand some of the asinine rules that the TRADOC Army has. |
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The Goretex shell was never meant to replace the field jacket without a liner of some sort. It has no insulating properties at all. Without a fleece, polypro, or some other layer it's just a raincoat. That never stopped the countless retard E-3's I came across on guard duty shivering like a Chihuahua trying to shit a peach pit who thought just because it was a gore-tex it would keep them warm. 
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Goretex'll stop wind, but layers are necessary for cold weather.
I've nearly caught hypothermia in a Humvee turret in a sudden cold rainstorm finding that out the hard way. One of the silk type underlayers or fleece is generally good for up to about 40F, after that add another layer. |
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The Goretex shell was never meant to replace the field jacket without a liner of some sort. It has no insulating properties at all. Without a fleece, polypro, or some other layer it's just a raincoat. That never stopped the countless retard E-3's I came across on guard duty shivering like a Chihuahua trying to shit a peach pit who thought just because it was a gore-tex it would keep them warm.
I know. I don't know whether to laugh because they're that dumb, or cry because they're that ignorant. Some you can get to see the light (or the heat), some just continue on in shivering ignorance. |
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you talking about the ones with the hood in the collar? I know that my OSUT cycle was one of the last to get them, all the new recruits didn't get them instead they got an extra set of summer boots and maybe an ACU parka....they were issued them with their TA50 so they may have to turn them back in I'll have to double check to see exactly what mine is but I think it may be what you're talking about. We never got issued any of the ECWS stuff...I'd kill for one of those fleece jackets though. Gonna be spending a lot of time out in the field soon and I'd kill to have a fleece jacket with me more than rain gear which I didn't get issued There is not fleece that comes with the ECWS system. You get green pimp fur. 
It clumps up in short order and looks like hell. |
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There is not fleece that comes with the ECWS system. You get green pimp fur.
It clumps up in short order and looks like hell. LOL yeah...but is it warm? What about the older black ones? Black fleece>Green. The black has better wind resistance (which still aint much). The green . . . lets wind cut right through you. If you get the ECWS system, though, you will also get a windbreaker which (just) fits over the green fleece. If I can find one of the smooth green fleece jackets I will buy it if it comes in under $100, maybe a little more. |
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There is not fleece that comes with the ECWS system. You get green pimp fur.
It clumps up in short order and looks like hell. LOL yeah...but is it warm? What about the older black ones? My son claims the black one has zero protection from wind and definitely prefers the discontinued: 
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There is not fleece that comes with the ECWS system. You get green pimp fur.
It clumps up in short order and looks like hell. LOL yeah...but is it warm? What about the older black ones? My son claims the black one has zero protection from wind and definitely prefers the discontinued: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d186/ghosthorsfarms/WestPointPrepParentsWeekend204.jpg Are they really discontinued?? The unit I am in had them issued this past spring, right before I joined them. |
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There is not fleece that comes with the ECWS system. You get green pimp fur.
It clumps up in short order and looks like hell. LOL yeah...but is it warm? What about the older black ones? My son claims the black one has zero protection from wind and definitely prefers the discontinued: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d186/ghosthorsfarms/WestPointPrepParentsWeekend204.jpg Are they really discontinued?? The unit I am in had them issued this past spring, right before I joined them. I'm not 100% sure, my son is at West Point, they have different uniform rules and I thought I heard him say they weren't allowed to wear them anymore. |
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There is not fleece that comes with the ECWS system. You get green pimp fur.
It clumps up in short order and looks like hell. LOL yeah...but is it warm? What about the older black ones? My son claims the black one has zero protection from wind and definitely prefers the discontinued: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d186/ghosthorsfarms/WestPointPrepParentsWeekend204.jpg Are they really discontinued?? The unit I am in had them issued this past spring, right before I joined them. I'm not 100% sure, my son is at West Point, they have different uniform rules and I thought I heard him say they weren't allowed to wear them anymore. All my WP info is 6 months old but... We wore the black fleece as an outer garment, which is a pretty big no-no on every other post. I saw very, very few foliage green fleeces there, and they were all worn by officers. 2006 was issued the old BDU field jackets. 07, 08, 09, 10, and 11 were issued the old (aka good) BDU Goretex jackets, which we wore with ACUs until 2012 showed up. They were only issued the new (AKA shitty) ACU Goretex jackets. As a result, we had to wear the old school black fleeces. I never even saw an ACU field jacket till I got up here to Knox. |
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There is not fleece that comes with the ECWS system. You get green pimp fur.
It clumps up in short order and looks like hell. LOL yeah...but is it warm? What about the older black ones? I just got issued a black fleece and pant set from Fort Knox CIF. That said, it's a TRADOC unit and not authorized for outerwear. I haven't heard of a wear-out date yet. |
The ECWS system has a ridiculous amount of layers and is supposed to be customizable. I was issued a huge box with everything with under armour cold wear style undershirts up to a freakin' bear suit that makes me look like the stay puff marshmallow man. If you can't find a combo of stuff in that box to keep you warm, there isn't much the army can do for you. 
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The ECWS system has a ridiculous amount of layers and is supposed to be customizable. I was issued a huge box with everything with under armour cold wear style undershirts up to a freakin' bear suit that makes me look like the stay puff marshmallow man. If you can't find a combo of stuff in that box to keep you warm, there isn't much the army can do for you. A real bear suit? I haven't seen one of those in awhile... since about 2000 or so. They were wonderfully warm, but cut funny and weren't very flexible. 
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The ECWS system has a ridiculous amount of layers and is supposed to be customizable. I was issued a huge box with everything with under armour cold wear style undershirts up to a freakin' bear suit that makes me look like the stay puff marshmallow man. If you can't find a combo of stuff in that box to keep you warm, there isn't much the army can do for you. A real bear suit? I haven't seen one of those in awhile... since about 2000 or so. They were wonderfully warm, but cut funny and weren't very flexible. http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/media/images/bearsuit.jpg 
This appears to be close to what is issued with the ECWS GEN III. It is monstrously warm. -5* F and I put on the Top to walk to chow, maybe 1/8th mile, I was sweating by the time I got there. ETA: I think what I got has more pouf than this one, though. Or it did, before it spent the past two years in the bottom of a box. |
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There is not fleece that comes with the ECWS system. You get green pimp fur.
It clumps up in short order and looks like hell. LOL yeah...but is it warm? What about the older black ones? My son claims the black one has zero protection from wind and definitely prefers the discontinued: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d186/ghosthorsfarms/WestPointPrepParentsWeekend204.jpg Are they really discontinued?? The unit I am in had them issued this past spring, right before I joined them. I'm not 100% sure, my son is at West Point, they have different uniform rules and I thought I heard him say they weren't allowed to wear them anymore. All my WP info is 6 months old but... We wore the black fleece as an outer garment, which is a pretty big no-no on every other post. I saw very, very few foliage green fleeces there, and they were all worn by officers. 2006 was issued the old BDU field jackets. 07, 08, 09, 10, and 11 were issued the old (aka good) BDU Goretex jackets, which we wore with ACUs until 2012 showed up. They were only issued the new (AKA shitty) ACU Goretex jackets. As a result, we had to wear the old school black fleeces. I never even saw an ACU field jacket till I got up here to Knox. Great to see another West Pointer here Pegasus6, even though I'm an old enlisted Marine  My son is at West Point Prep this year and is part of Class of 2014. I know he (and 3 other CC's) got his/their ACU jackets from working the supply room at Ft. Monmouth and their NCO TAC. He and another CC wore them (ACU Jacket) at the Parents Weekend football game and I personally saw the Commandant give them hell for ~not wearing the black fleese...even though it was snowing!
They are a great looking Jacket and functional too! Good luck at Knox, I guess you branched Armor, my son wants armor too! Huah! |