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9/10/2006 1:10:26 PM EDT
I think I already know the answer to this one.  But I'll ask anyway.

If I see a Class III item on line can I buy it, pay for the tax stamp and have it mailed to a normal FFL?  Or do I need to buy it, transfer it to a local Class III FFL and then pay for the tax stamp?


Thanks in advance.

9/10/2006 4:43:21 PM EDT
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Night crew bump
9/10/2006 4:44:10 PM EDT
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Post for interest.
9/10/2006 4:44:21 PM EDT
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Has to go through a Class III dealer.
9/10/2006 4:45:14 PM EDT
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You need to have it shipped to a class 3 dealer, unless you have a C&R, and it's C&R eligible than you can have it sent right to your door....
9/10/2006 4:45:44 PM EDT
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Has to go through a Class III dealer.

Thanks
9/10/2006 5:07:45 PM EDT
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Has to go through a Class III dealer.

Unless the buyer and the seller are in the same state.
9/11/2006 1:57:20 PM EDT
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You need to have it shipped to a class 3 dealer, unless you have a C&R, and it's C&R eligible than you can have it sent right to your door....


O RLY?

What are some guns that would qualify this way that aren't impossible to find?  I've always heard about this but I've never found out what guns are covered.
9/11/2006 2:02:38 PM EDT
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You need to have it shipped to a class 3 dealer, unless you have a C&R, and it's C&R eligible than you can have it sent right to your door....


O RLY?

What are some guns that would qualify this way that aren't impossible to find?  I've always heard about this but I've never found out what guns are covered.


Off the top of my head, Thompson SMGs and other WW2ish arms I would think?
9/11/2006 2:07:56 PM EDT
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Has to go through a Class III dealer.

Thanks


It has to go Class III to a Class III. You need to find a Class III in your state. The seller needs to find a Class III dealer in their state.

1. Seller transfers to Class III in their state.
2. Class III transfers to Class III in your state.
3. You take posession after you get your paperwork back.

Note: there are two taxable transfers in this kind of transaction #1 & #3.
9/11/2006 2:08:51 PM EDT
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You need to have it shipped to a class 3 dealer, unless you have a C&R, and it's C&R eligible than you can have it sent right to your door....


O RLY?

What are some guns that would qualify this way that aren't impossible to find?  I've always heard about this but I've never found out what guns are covered.


Off the top of my head, Thompson SMGs and other WW2ish arms I would think?


ummm no.

thompson's and ALL wwII machine guns are strictly NFA and have NOTHING to do with a C&R unless bult on a semi reciever as i recall.
9/11/2006 2:14:50 PM EDT
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There are MANY CnR "Class 3"s Everything from Reisings ( the least expensive of the bunch) to SW 76s to MG42s to AR18s... Stens, MP40s etc...etc...etc... Another GREAT thing about holding a 3ffl (collector of Curios and Relics) and owning CnR autos is the fact that you dont need permision from "The Parents" to take your MG someplace out of state! No forms to fill out and send in. You just take a copy of your transfer and a copy of you 3ffl and go where you want to ( subject to the laws of the state you are going to of course) Its the closest thing to the freedom we should already have that you can get!


my AR18


my Reising


9/11/2006 2:18:11 PM EDT
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There are MANY CnR "Class 3"s Everything from Reisings ( the least expensive of the bunch) to SW 76s to MG42s to AR18s... Stens, MP40s etc...etc...etc... Another GREAT thing about holding a 3ffl (collector of Curios and Relics) and owning CnR autos is the fact that you dont need permision from "The Parents" to take your MG someplace out of state! No forms to fill out and send in. You just take a copy of your transfer and a copy of you 3ffl and go where you want to ( subject to the laws of the state you are going to of course) Its the closest thing to the freedom we should already have that you can get!

i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/Notch_2003/AR18_folded.jpg
my AR18

i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/Notch_2003/reis_full.jpg
my Reising




stens are a c&r?

9/11/2006 2:20:59 PM EDT
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You need to have it shipped to a class 3 dealer, unless you have a C&R, and it's C&R eligible than you can have it sent right to your door....


O RLY?

What are some guns that would qualify this way that aren't impossible to find?  I've always heard about this but I've never found out what guns are covered.


Off the top of my head, Thompson SMGs and other WW2ish arms I would think?


ummm no.

thompson's and ALL wwII machine guns are strictly NFA and have NOTHING to do with a C&R unless bult on a semi reciever as i recall.


Are you sure about that cuz I just looked at the list and it had:

Thompson, submachineguns including all models, prototypes, & variations actually mfd. in or before 1945.
Thompson submachinegun, Model M1, .45 cal., mfd. by Auto Ordnance Corporation, West Hurley, New York, between 1985 and 1986, having S/Ns from M100A to M717A.

There are lots of WW2 SMGs and MGs on there.
9/11/2006 2:22:39 PM EDT
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Has to go through a Class III dealer.

Unless the buyer and the seller are in the same state.

9/11/2006 2:23:12 PM EDT
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Has to go through a Class III dealer.

Thanks


It has to go Class III to a Class III. You need to find a Class III in your state. The seller needs to find a Class III dealer in their state.

1. Seller transfers to Class III in their state.
2. Class III transfers to Class III in your state.
3. You take posession after you get your paperwork back.

Note: there are two taxable transfers in this kind of transaction #1 & #3.


Yep.
9/11/2006 2:24:09 PM EDT
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ahhhh i get it.

i was under the impression the C&R trumped NFA. acoording to that link it is still subject to NFA and i am guessing the 200.00 tax stamp as well. the difference is it doesn't require a dealer transfer in the middle of the process.

if i am wrong here please clue me in. This might be the thing that finally tips me into my c&r i have been putting off.

mike
9/11/2006 2:25:32 PM EDT
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There are MANY CnR "Class 3"s Everything from Reisings ( the least expensive of the bunch) to SW 76s to MG42s to AR18s... Stens, MP40s etc...etc...etc... Another GREAT thing about holding a 3ffl (collector of Curios and Relics) and owning CnR autos is the fact that you dont need permision from "The Parents" to take your MG someplace out of state! No forms to fill out and send in. You just take a copy of your transfer and a copy of you 3ffl and go where you want to ( subject to the laws of the state you are going to of course) Its the closest thing to the freedom we should already have that you can get!

i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/Notch_2003/AR18_folded.jpg
my AR18

i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/Notch_2003/reis_full.jpg
my Reising




stens that are original WW2 are C&R, tube guns like mine are not, although in 2036 all transferable MGs will be C&R.
9/11/2006 2:26:34 PM EDT
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ahhhh i get it.

i was under the impression the C&R trumped NFA. acoording to that link it is still subject to NFA and i am guessing the 200.00 tax stamp as well. the difference is it doesn't require a dealer transfer in the middle of the process.

if i am wrong here please clue me in. This might be the thing that finally tips me into my c&r i have been putting off.

mike


It would be cool to have a C&R, I just don't have the budget to buy many guns. I go for quality over quantity! I just can't afford to do both.
9/11/2006 2:26:58 PM EDT
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You need to have it shipped to a class 3 dealer, unless you have a C&R, and it's C&R eligible than you can have it sent right to your door....


O RLY?

What are some guns that would qualify this way that aren't impossible to find?  I've always heard about this but I've never found out what guns are covered.


Off the top of my head, Thompson SMGs and other WW2ish arms I would think?


ummm no.

thompson's and ALL wwII machine guns are strictly NFA and have NOTHING to do with a C&R unless bult on a semi reciever as i recall.


Are you sure about that cuz I just looked at the list and it had:

Thompson, submachineguns including all models, prototypes, & variations actually mfd. in or before 1945.
Thompson submachinegun, Model M1, .45 cal., mfd. by Auto Ordnance Corporation, West Hurley, New York, between 1985 and 1986, having S/Ns from M100A to M717A.

There are lots of WW2 SMGs and MGs on there.


looks like i was right and wrong. c&r eligiable but still NFA regulated according to those links. i am guessing the c&r just cuts out the requirement to have a class3 dealer involved.
9/11/2006 2:28:20 PM EDT
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You need to have it shipped to a class 3 dealer, unless you have a C&R, and it's C&R eligible than you can have it sent right to your door....


O RLY?

What are some guns that would qualify this way that aren't impossible to find?  I've always heard about this but I've never found out what guns are covered.


Off the top of my head, Thompson SMGs and other WW2ish arms I would think?


ummm no.

thompson's and ALL wwII machine guns are strictly NFA and have NOTHING to do with a C&R unless bult on a semi reciever as i recall.


You would be mistaken.

Looking at a list of C&R Machine guns and I see

1. M1A1 Thompson
2. Ingram M6
3. MP40
4. S&W 76
9/11/2006 2:29:39 PM EDT
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Has to go through a Class III dealer.

Unless the buyer and the seller are in the same state.

Which part are you calling BS on.
9/11/2006 2:29:41 PM EDT
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You need to have it shipped to a class 3 dealer, unless you have a C&R, and it's C&R eligible than you can have it sent right to your door....


O RLY?

What are some guns that would qualify this way that aren't impossible to find?  I've always heard about this but I've never found out what guns are covered.


Off the top of my head, Thompson SMGs and other WW2ish arms I would think?


ummm no.

thompson's and ALL wwII machine guns are strictly NFA and have NOTHING to do with a C&R unless bult on a semi reciever as i recall.


You would be mistaken.

Looking at a list of C&R Machine guns and I see

1. M1A1 Thompson
2. Ingram M6
3. MP40
4. S&W 76


uhhh yea look at the post just above yours
9/11/2006 2:57:19 PM EDT
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How can an individual legally acquire NFA firearms? [Back]

Basically, there are 2 ways that an individual (who is not prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from receiving or possessing firearms) may legally acquire NFA firearms:

1. By transfer after approval by ATF of a registered weapon from its lawful owner residing in the same State as the transferee.

2. By obtaining prior approval from ATF to make NFA firearms.

www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#m2

Now, you were saying?
9/11/2006 5:57:01 PM EDT
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You need to have it shipped to a class 3 dealer, unless you have a C&R, and it's C&R eligible than you can have it sent right to your door....


O RLY?

What are some guns that would qualify this way that aren't impossible to find?  I've always heard about this but I've never found out what guns are covered.


Off the top of my head, Thompson SMGs and other WW2ish arms I would think?


ummm no.

thompson's and ALL wwII machine guns are strictly NFA and have NOTHING to do with a C&R unless bult on a semi reciever as i recall.


You would be mistaken.

Looking at a list of C&R Machine guns and I see

1. M1A1 Thompson
2. Ingram M6
3. MP40
4. S&W 76


uhhh yea look at the post just above yours


You replied while I was posting.