Posted: 12/30/2010 3:44:04 PM EDT
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what would you do if you were trying to load a bullet and none of the loads you could find for that bullet had a minimum OAL that would actually fit in the revolvers cylinder?
not to mention it is nowhere near the crimping groove... |
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I told you how to handle this earlier this week. The only other advice I have is to buy a couple of manuals and do some reading. You're learning a lesson about reloading slightly earlier than most. The times we find data that match your components exactly will be rare, so we have to use a different strategy, the main one being the use of data for components that are similar to what we have, in particular with respect to bullet construction. If one of you other guys could scan and post page 821 from the Hornady #7 manual, that might help. Scans from other manuals with 158 grain lead bullets in .38 Special might help, too. |
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http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/Netofficer3710/toolong2.jpg http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/Netofficer3710/toolong1.jpg what the hell do I do now? Minimum OAL prevents dangerous pressures. Maximum OAL makes sure it will chamber. |
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http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/Netofficer3710/toolong2.jpg http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/Netofficer3710/toolong1.jpg what the hell do I do now? nvm |
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I told you how to handle this earlier this week. The only other advice I have is to buy a couple of manuals and do some reading. You're learning a lesson about reloading slightly earlier than most. The times we find data that match your components exactly will be rare, so we have to use a different strategy, the main one being the use of data for components that are similar to what we have, in particular with respect to bullet construction. If one of you other guys could scan and post page 821 from the Hornady #7 manual, that might help. Scans from other manuals with 158 grain lead bullets in .38 Special might help, too. well heres the problem, being new to reloading I an pretty nervous about straying from the load data and untill I see an actual load that says it's ok I will continue to be nervous about it |
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http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/Netofficer3710/toolong2.jpg http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/Netofficer3710/toolong1.jpg what the hell do I do now? nvm you beat me |
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This is an example of checking several sources. I've found the lee book way out on some loads.
158 GR. CAST LSWC Winchester 231 .358" 1.475" 3.1 782 11,900 CUP 3.7 834 14,600 CUP FRom the hodgdon website edit- http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp I've always used a combo of that one, the lee book, and the hornady book to come up with a rough idea of what will and wont work 
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I told you how to handle this earlier this week. The only other advice I have is to buy a couple of manuals and do some reading. You're learning a lesson about reloading slightly earlier than most. The times we find data that match your components exactly will be rare, so we have to use a different strategy, the main one being the use of data for components that are similar to what we have, in particular with respect to bullet construction. If one of you other guys could scan and post page 821 from the Hornady #7 manual, that might help. Scans from other manuals with 158 grain lead bullets in .38 Special might help, too. well heres the problem, being new to reloading I an pretty nervous about straying from the load data and untill I see an actual load that says it's ok I will continue to be nervous about it Please, please, for safety's sake, go to the reloading forum. You'll get nothing in GD but a bunch of smart ass answers. 
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http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/Netofficer3710/toolong2.jpg http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/Netofficer3710/toolong1.jpg what the hell do I do now? nvm you beat me http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?metallicid=5564&MW=158&PM=Winchester&caliber=.38&caliberid=20&header=.38 Caliber Reloading Data 1.425? |
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That minimum OAL is probably for a lead round nose bullet which is longer than the bullet you are using. Seat the bullet to the crimp groove, start at the 4.0 grain load and work your way up. ETA: I used a very similar bullet most of last year (158 gr RNFP, cowboy style bullet), with 231. Definitely no problem seating it to the crimp groove. I've exceeded that listed max load by a few tenths, but I'm sticking them in an N-Frame Model 28 .357, which is vastly overstrength for .38 special. This year, my experiment will be to try to hit 165 power factor, in .38 Special cases, in order to shoot ESR IDPA class (getting the M28 cut for moon-clips). I have thousands of .38 cases, and only several hundred .357 magnum cases, and just recieved my 180 gain Penn TC bullets. This will be a very very cautious development effort... |
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That minimum OAL is probably for a lead round nose bullet which is longer than the bullet you are using. Seat the bullet to the crimp groove, start at the 4.0 grain load and work your way up. This is the route I would pursue. That bullet has more weight forward so there is less bullet in the case. Start with the min powder load, seat to the crimp and you will be fine. |
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I told you how to handle this earlier this week. The only other advice I have is to buy a couple of manuals and do some reading. You're learning a lesson about reloading slightly earlier than most. The times we find data that match your components exactly will be rare, so we have to use a different strategy, the main one being the use of data for components that are similar to what we have, in particular with respect to bullet construction. If one of you other guys could scan and post page 821 from the Hornady #7 manual, that might help. Scans from other manuals with 158 grain lead bullets in .38 Special might help, too. well heres the problem, being new to reloading I an pretty nervous about straying from the load data and untill I see an actual load that says it's ok I will continue to be nervous about it If that's the case, then you need to be absolutely certain to buy EXACTLY the components listed in your load data, then load them to EXACTLY the specifications given in said load data.
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I told you how to handle this earlier this week. The only other advice I have is to buy a couple of manuals and do some reading. You're learning a lesson about reloading slightly earlier than most. The times we find data that match your components exactly will be rare, so we have to use a different strategy, the main one being the use of data for components that are similar to what we have, in particular with respect to bullet construction. If one of you other guys could scan and post page 821 from the Hornady #7 manual, that might help. Scans from other manuals with 158 grain lead bullets in .38 Special might help, too. well heres the problem, being new to reloading I an pretty nervous about straying from the load data and untill I see an actual load that says it's ok I will continue to be nervous about it Please, please, for safety's sake, go to the reloading forum. You'll get nothing in GD but a bunch of smart ass answers. AeroE is one of the moderators in the Reloading Forum.
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I told you how to handle this earlier this week. The only other advice I have is to buy a couple of manuals and do some reading. You're learning a lesson about reloading slightly earlier than most. The times we find data that match your components exactly will be rare, so we have to use a different strategy, the main one being the use of data for components that are similar to what we have, in particular with respect to bullet construction. If one of you other guys could scan and post page 821 from the Hornady #7 manual, that might help. Scans from other manuals with 158 grain lead bullets in .38 Special might help, too. well heres the problem, being new to reloading I an pretty nervous about straying from the load data and untill I see an actual load that says it's ok I will continue to be nervous about it I think the Lee manual has an error for the .38 Spl load. The same bullets will seat out at about 1.59 inches for .357 Magnum cartridges. The difference in their case lengths is 0.135 inches. This is a prime reason to have several references, to help spot the errors. When one load is an outlier compared to several others for similar components, there's a reason, and it's probably an error in the load data. This doesn't occur often. Trust your instincts and if you're not accustomed to troubleshooting technical problems, reloading will practically demand that from you if you want to get the most out of the hobby and the skill. You have another resource to help you sort out the problems here, too. But it won't do you any good if you don't trust the guidance you get. The Reloading forum operates on sligthtly different rules than GD, and you're not likely to be misguided over there - if something off the reservation crops up, it will be handled fairly quickly. |
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well heres the problem, being new to reloading I an pretty nervous about straying from the load data and untill I see an actual load that says it's ok I will continue to be nervous about it Lead bullets come in a variety. Even though the weights are "said to be" the same, the size and placement of the lube groove and crimp groove will/probably differ from one mold mfn to the next. That being said, most mold mfns will usually place the crimp groove where they want it so that the OAL of the cartridge will fit a revolver in that caliber. I usually try to crimp in the crimp groove, first. If/when I run into trouble............then I "adjust" to get my loads to work with the particular revolver (or rifle). But, I like to KISS. So, my loads for my lever rifle will also work with my loads for my SAA revolver. BTW (for me), that OAL is 1.50" and I have been known to take it down to 1.45" (speaking of .38 Specials). At that point, I don't care where the mold mfn has placed the groove. YMWV. Then of course...........when starting with a new load...........always start low and work your way up. Aloha, Mark |
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Here's a link to the current thread in Reloading:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=332473 Like I say elsewhere, after I looked in the LEE manual yesterday, it's my opinion that the data for lead bullets is useless as it fails to account for the bullet design, and it complicates the issue for new reloaders by specifying "minimum" COAL. I think it's resolved, I haven't checked to see if netofficer tried his ammo today. |