Posted: 1/25/2004 8:11:31 AM EDT
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Any Ar 15 owners have an sks also? I have been thinking of getting one and am wondering if I will be disappointed after having owned an AR. I am aware that they (sks) are not as refined or as accurate but they are cheap and the ammo is cheap. The gunshop down the street have them new for $190 and used for $135. I have seen them cheaper on the internet but it would be more convenient to buy down the street. Thanks |
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They are better as a beginner gun than a add-on gun. Mine never gets out of the safe because I would rather shoot my AR's and M-1A's. I like what SteyrAug said about the SAR's. The SAR is handier and more fun for only $200 more. If it is just that you have $200 burning a whole in your pocket, AR accesories can be fun. |
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I have a couple SKS's and they are among my favorite rifles. Especially with the "stock" fixed mags, they just work and work and work. Mine are decently accurate, but some will need trigger work to be considered acceptable. For the price, you really can't go wrong. You get "real wood" a "milled" receiver, nice chromed bore, super cheap ammo, and a fairly reliable design given the 'tilting bolt' lockup. Easy to clean, too. |
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$190 new. I can remember when they were $59 new and packed in cosmo. I do have one, along with an AR and SAR1. It is a fun gun to shoot. I do wish I could get the 20 round mag I bought to work, I do so much dislike having to reload after 10 rounds. It can hit a 5" bull with 9 out of 10 times, so I am happy with it. I realized when I first got it that it wasn't going to be a bench rifle and I have never expected it to. I squeeze the trigger, it goes bang and the bullet go in the general area I wanted it to. |
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Get an AK. Best deals out there right now are Romanian SAR's(get your hands on one and check it out well if you can or order from AIM Surplus) or ArsenalUSA AKs. The Arsenal rifles are awesome, shoot accurately, but are about $600. Go over to the AK forums and ask about them there for more info. I know they are more but it will be money well spent. Otherwise, for the SKS, load up on stripper clips for fast reloading. I've seen some really nice SKSs out there and some real junk so check 'em out good. |
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Quoted: For the price, you really can't go wrong. You get "real wood" a "milled" receiver, nice chromed bore, super cheap ammo, and a fairly reliable design given the 'tilting bolt' lockup. Easy to clean, too. The Yugoslavian ones are not chome lined. They are the only ones that are not apart from very early Soviet ones. As a matter of fact, the Yugos didn't chome line their AKs either. What this means for you is DO NOT buy a 'used' Yugo SKS. Buying an unissued one, is probably fine, but there have been MANY problems reported by those who have bought lower grade Yugo SKSs. All the reported problems are a direct result of the lack of chome lining, and the funky 59/66 gas valve(corrosion is the issue here too). A beaten up Chinese, Romanian, or Soviet one will work well, but beware of non new Yugos! For the record, if it's unissued, buy it. I got one at a local gunshow for $115. If you lead a 'tactical' life, you won't like it, but if you are a shooter, or beginning collector, you'll kick yourself for missing them while this cheap. This is a military grade 7.62*39 firearm for much cheaper than half assed low grade commercial 22 rimfires. |
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Truck gun is an excellent idea. Around here they run $99 nib at shows. I have a Sar1 and a SEAK on order but the next show I go to I'm going to pick one up. Its an unbeatable deal. I already have lots of 7.62 commie so its not a new caliber for me to stock. Plus they have all the evil features black features for $99. Just remember they are not chrome lined unless you get a russian or chines and they are falling block like an FAL. My buddy nate bought a watermellon and bayonetted it then shot it off and it looked like fun. [:D] |
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Quoted: I had a Norinco, POS. I just bought a Yugo with the grenade launcher/grenade sight/[red]Tritium[/red] night sights that still glow. Mine is "unissued" from 1970. got it for $139. get one. lots of fun. Alas, it's just good old low tech Luminous Paint. Another vote for get one. The unissued Yugo's are pretty nice! |
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Quoted: Quoted: I had a Norinco, POS. I just bought a Yugo with the grenade launcher/grenade sight/[red]Tritium[/red] night sights that still glow. Mine is "unissued" from 1970. got it for $139. get one. lots of fun. Alas, it's just good old low tech Luminous Paint. Another vote for get one. The unissued Yugo's are pretty nice! whoops my friend, I beg to differ... The Yugo has many different versions. I do have the Tritium sights, front and rear, the little glass vials still glow. The luminous paint are big "dots" vs the Tritium vials. When I bought mine, there are several mixes. front tritium, rear luminous paint/front paint, rear tritium/ paint front and rear/tritium front and rear. Also, some have ports milled into the grenade launcher, dose nothing for braking tho. |
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I have a nice Tula Armory model (Russian) that sits on the shelf. It just doesn't make it to the range anymore. It's a pain to load, even with stripper clips, and it is not very accurate. The safety is a hassle to manipulate and the trigger pull is horrid. It is pretty entertaining to shoot it at 50 yards and watch the ejected shell casings fly straight forward twenty yards or so. The bayonet is kind of a kick, too. That said, I'm not selling mine and I think everyone should have one. [:)] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I had a Norinco, POS. I just bought a Yugo with the grenade launcher/grenade sight/[red]Tritium[/red] night sights that still glow. Mine is "unissued" from 1970. got it for $139. get one. lots of fun. Alas, it's just good old low tech Luminous Paint. Another vote for get one. The unissued Yugo's are pretty nice! whoops my friend, I beg to differ... The Yugo has many different versions. I do have the Tritium sights, front and rear, the little glass vials still glow. The luminous paint are big "dots" vs the Tritium vials. When I bought mine, there are several mixes. front tritium, rear luminous paint/front paint, rear tritium/ paint front and rear/tritium front and rear. Also, some have ports milled into the grenade launcher, dose nothing for braking tho. [size=6]DOH...![/size=6][BD]...! |
| I will vote for the Saiga. The gun can be found brand new for $189.00, it has a siderail already mounted, and can be modified to accept standard com bloc mags. The modification will of course require adding a number of USA parts to make it legal, but that is up to you.(and a certain uncle) The siderail beats most SKS scope mount systems hands down, and being able to run 10, 20, 30, 40 or 75 round mags reliably beats the SKS strippers also. No issues with rust, chrome lined barrel is standard and most seem to run 16 in barrels. What is there not to like? |
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Quoted: For $190, spring another $20 and get a Saiga. They are pretty good quality, better quality than a SAR. MUCH better than an SKS. That's what my money would go to if I wanted a cheap 7.62 plinker (I already have a SAR-1). The Saiga rifles are nice in terms of fit/finish, being 'neutered' Russian AKs... The only problem is that the 'neutering' means no hicap mags or pistol grip, and metalwork is reqd to put a pistol grip on & use conventional AK mags...... P.S. You only need to do the US Parts thing if you add a pistol grip. As for the SKS, the 'milled slots' would be a flash hider. Given the 'nature' of comblok ammo, this is a useful item (even if it barely works)... |
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Get yourself a C&R license and you can save quite a bit by buying a qualified SKS by mail order. Admittedly, the license costs $30 itself, but it can also be used for other purchases and for discounts from outfits like Brownells. Right now AIM has C&R eligible, excellent condition Yugos for $109. [url]www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Yugoslavian_M59_66_7_62x39_SKS_Rifle.html[/url] |
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Got my first SKS way back during Christmas 87'. The Chinesse were just starting to import them back than and got a NIB one with the pig sticker up front. Got a second beater during the mid 90s, cleaned it up and then presented to a friend on a plaque as a retirement gift. As mentioned great starter and truck guns. Used on once during a exercise in the desert after two paratroopers had a night mid air collision and both chutes collapsed. They fell about 100'. One fracture his back and the other a collaped lung. Took the SKS (Chicom) extended the baynote and stuck it into the ground and attach the strobe light to it for the emergency MEDEVAC Landing Zone. |
| Ive seen the ak mag taking sks, but I can honestly say, Ive never seen one that will accept a 75 round ak drum. Something in them prevents a drum from locking up in one, so I call bs on sks with drums. Maybe Im wrong, but I cant a drum to go in the ones I have tried. |
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I've got an unissued Yugo SKS. It's great, get one. Ammo is pretty cheap, the gun is reliable, has the cool bayonet, people get scared when you say "grenade launcher", and if you have a C&R you can have it shipped straight to your door. If you want to kill SHTF zombies and such, it's a good loaner or backup gun too. I got mine for about $130, and well, these guns are just worth it imo. |
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Quoted: Why did you do that to that poor ol Yugo. I am guessing you mean me. Its the Advanced Technology Dragonov stock with a scope mount and red dot and detachable 30 round mag. It is so fun to shoot, the pistol grip and red dot really add a lot. And it turns heads at the range. I have been pondering getting another one and leaving it mil, but I love the stock and sight set up. |
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Sigh. Regarding the Yugo... You've got a 922(r) violation there. Yugos have "non-sporting" features (bayo lug, grenade launcher, night sights). Ergo, they are technically banned from importation. However, they get around that by being importable under the curio & relic designation. But C&R protections only apply to guns in "original military configuration." So, once your gun is no longer in original military configuration, it must be comprised of 10 or less of the "specified" imported parts, or its a 922(r) violation. Changing the stock, adding the detachable mag, etc., all remove the rifle from the "safe harbor" it enjoyed under C&R status. Over at Survivor's SKS boards, a number of members have letters to this effect from the ATF. |
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Quoted: Sigh. Regarding the Yugo... You've got a 922(r) violation there. Yugos have "non-sporting" features (bayo lug, grenade launcher, night sights). Ergo, they are technically banned from importation. However, they get around that by being importable under the curio & relic designation. But C&R protections only apply to guns in "original military configuration." So, once your gun is no longer in original military configuration, it must be comprised of 10 or less of the "specified" imported parts, or its a 922(r) violation. Changing the stock, adding the detachable mag, etc., all remove the rifle from the "safe harbor" it enjoyed under C&R status. Over at Survivor's SKS boards, a number of members have letters to this effect from the ATF. Ah, thanks for the info. will the AWB sunset change any of that? I will make it mil-spec again ASAP |
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will the AWB sunset change any of that? Naw. The 1994 law that (will/may/ought to/should) sunset, only counts "evil features" in addition to a detachable mag in terms of defining an "assault weapon." Section 922(r) will not sunset, and that's what prohibits "assembly from imported parts" of a weapon identical to one prohibited from importation. Just to get an idea of how bad it is with the Yugos, recall that Kalifornistan bans "grenade launchers" on any gun. So some importers were removing the Yugo grenade launcher and replacing it with a brake to make "cali-legal" Yugo variants. No go. ATFE says that removes C&R designation, thus, no assumbly unless its done using less than 10 of certain parts specified in the regulations. There are some US made compliance parts, but not enought right now. That's the major problem. Its near impossible to replace enought of the stuff in an SKS with US made equivilents to get around 922(r). (That's what they do on SAR1s, CETME's, etc). Hope that helps. |