Posted: 7/4/2011 12:09:19 PM EDT
| thinking of getting a 10 mm besides the fact that it is a uncommon round. how do they stack up against other rounds pro/con of the 10 mm |
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Higher velocity = deeper penetration and more reliable expansion of hollow points Cons: Deeper penetration has the possibility to over penetrate and not releasing all energy in the target IMO 10mm is good for animals and very fat/thick bad guys, but probably a little too much for everyday carry....But that is just my opinion and I have no facts to back that up with. If your curious about its power factor well it has alot more energy it has more energy than most handgun calibers (.357 magnum has similar energies) |
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thinking of getting a 10 mm besides the fact that it is a uncommon round. how do they stack up against other rounds pro/con of the 10 mm It's a fun powerful gun but ammo is hard to come by at times and expensive. Full house loads are even a little harder to come by. I would just settle for a .40S&W personally. Its a great round that is plenty powerful enough and recoil is lighter than the 10mm full power loads. I have consolidated all of my pistol calibers to .40's and .45's and am very happy. |
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If you reload you can make it anything you want. 10mm, when you care enough to send the very best. IF is correct. the OP didnt say anything about it. many people esp noobs look at caliber/power/stopping power/fps first, then ammo cost is way down the road. only when they realize they cant afford to feed, then reality sets in. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you reload you can make it anything you want. 10mm, when you care enough to send the very best. IF is correct. the OP didnt say anything about it. many people esp noobs look at caliber/power/stopping power/fps first, then ammo cost is way down the road. only when they realize they cant afford to feed, then reality sets in. Reloads FTW! |
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I find bulk ammo to be comparable to .45 ACP in price. I had a Glock 20 years ago and regretable had to sell it. Back then ammo wasn't nearly as available as it is today, especially good hollow points loaded to true 10mm power.
The Glock 29 would be a very versatile pistol IMO - power, decent capacity, has a rail for a light, makes the ladies swoon. . . .what's not to like? The 10mm is an awesome cartridge. |
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10mm is a fine round if you want the power. It is too much gun for most daily jobs. But I like 357 magnum which is the same way, but you can get smaller guns for.
If you are worried about $$ but want that level of performance look at 357 magnum. specifiaccly the 158 grain or heavier loads If you just want a big handgun 45 acp is a better choice. FN45, H&K 45, or the Para 14 are all big scary looking hi cap 45s if that is your goal. |
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G29 is one my favorite handguns ever. I just chronoed some 155 gr. Hornady XTPs through it over the weekend and it was pushing them out between 1240 and 1280 fps. The box advertises 1260 fps.
That's around 550 ft-lbs of very controllable energy. Not too shabby for an auto handgun. |
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Used to be my main gun Glock 20, my issues if I rapid fire it with full loads I start to flinch. If I was ina firefight my accuraccy would not be very good. I down graded from .44 mag because I can't rapid fire it with accuracy and I really tried for a few years.
I'm not scared of big guns, I shoot .460 S&W weekly and a .50 bmg (light version that is just 18 lb), really like them but rapid firing them much make me flinch too. For pistol carry now use .45 YMMV |
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I have the Razorback as a 10mm is a good sized package to carry in the wild.
Start with a glock Remember it is a caliber that you reload or order online "Period" Like a 300 Win mag you won't shoot it as often as other calibers but it does what few other calibers can. let's talk reality; Mountain Lions, Rabid Dogs & meth heads (Maybe Hogs & black bears under 350+) is where this gun can work as you'll wear it. 357 mag, 10mm, 41 mag (best all around caliber), 44 mag, 45 colt are the best basic outdoors guns before you hit the X frames 10mm > 357 Mag because more bullets in a lighter package at the same power level Federal & Silver tips for city defense & buffalo bore / double tap (hard cast) for woods Bonus: is you can get a 40 s&w barrel and shoot what is now one of the most common calibers in America. This is assuming you already own a 22lr, 9mm & 45 acp for home defense / range fun |
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It's on my want list. It's .40S&W's daddy, and it's so bad, it's probably the cause of global warming. 10mm uses the Shroud of Turin as a golf towel. 10mm breastfeeds John Madden. 10mm wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
I think you understand what I am trying to say. |
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How much energy and velocity does 10mm lose out of the g29s short barrel? isn't if enough that its not really out performing the .40 but a significant margin? Quoted:
I carry a G29 almost every day with "warm" XTP loads. I shoot it well and it will work well on large 2 and 4 legged critters. |
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How much energy and velocity does 10mm lose out of the g29s short barrel? isn't if enough that its not really out performing the .40 but a significant margin? Quoted:
I carry a G29 almost every day with "warm" XTP loads. I shoot it well and it will work well on large 2 and 4 legged critters. Quoted:
G29 is one my favorite handguns ever. I just chronoed some 155 gr. Hornady XTPs through it over the weekend and it was pushing them out between 1240 and 1280 fps. The box advertises 1260 fps.That's around 550 ft-lbs of very controllable energy. Not too shabby for an auto handgun. Based on my shadetree testing, it doesn't lose much if any. Also realize that the G20 and G29 were designed around the 10mm from the ground up. They are not like .40 cal guns, which are just 9mm guns that are chambered in .40 cal. The slide, frame and barrel is heavier in the G29, therefore the recoil is much nicer and easier to control than a .40 cal., despite shooting faster/heavier rounds. I have the Pearce pinky grips floor plates on each of my magazines. Not so much because it is a handful to shoot, but because it gives me more to grab onto when drawing and handling the gun. Too bad Glock doesn't make a full grip G29. It would be sort of like a G19 of the 10mm world. |
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Too bad Glock doesn't make a full grip G29. It would be sort of like a G19 of the 10mm world. Pearce pinkie extension... I have them on all 6 of my 10rd mags Same here, except I just have three 10 rounders. I carry a 15 round G20 mag for my spare. A full gripped 29 would hold a couple of more rounds in the stock mag as well, in addition to accepting the 15 rounder. 13 rounds of 10mm would be pretty good. Though ten 10s ain't too bad. 
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Too bad Glock doesn't make a full grip G29. It would be sort of like a G19 of the 10mm world. Pearce pinkie extension... I have them on all 6 of my 10rd mags Same here, except I just have three 10 rounders. I carry a 15 round G20 mag for my spare. A full gripped 29 would hold a couple of more rounds in the stock mag as well, in addition to accepting the 15 rounder. 13 rounds of 10mm would be pretty good. Though ten 10s ain't too bad.
Yeah, I've got a couple 15's as well, and use one as my spare, too... |
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If you reload you can make it anything you want. 10mm, when you care enough to send the very best. IF is correct. the OP didnt say anything about it. many people esp noobs look at caliber/power/stopping power/fps first, then ammo cost is way down the road. only when they realize they cant afford to feed, then reality sets in. Cost is why I don't shoot 10mm. I love the round, but I can't justify the extra money for ammo. |
| full power 10mm is fun, but i wouldn't conceal carry my glock 29 because recoil is quite severe and i dont practice enough with it to control it with accurate and speedy follow up shots. if you're going to shoot low power loads, might as well get a 40s&w (similar to what the fbi went through). full power loads dont last many reloading cycles either... |
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If you reload you can make it anything you want. 10mm, when you care enough to send the very best. IF is correct. the OP didnt say anything about it. many people esp noobs look at caliber/power/stopping power/fps first, then ammo cost is way down the road. only when they realize they cant afford to feed, then reality sets in. Cost is why I don't shoot 10mm. I love the round, but I can't justify the extra money for ammo. I see so many people say this. Spend 700 to 1000 on a pistol and yet can't spend 150 on a progressive Lee from Midway. And after you have the press you can swap out cal with dies and a shell holder for a whopping 60 bucks and load up your 38's and 45's. |
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If you reload you can make it anything you want. 10mm, when you care enough to send the very best. IF is correct. the OP didnt say anything about it. many people esp noobs look at caliber/power/stopping power/fps first, then ammo cost is way down the road. only when they realize they cant afford to feed, then reality sets in. Cost is why I don't shoot 10mm. I love the round, but I can't justify the extra money for ammo. I see so many people say this. Spend 700 to 1000 on a pistol and yet can't spend 150 on a progressive Lee from Midway. And after you have the press you can swap out cal with dies and a shell holder for a whopping 60 bucks and load up your 38's and 45's. The 10mm that I practice with comes in bulk at the local show, shoots clean and costs the same as equivalent 45acp Pick up a few boxes of good defensive stuff and plink with the cheaper stuff |
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If you reload you can make it anything you want. 10mm, when you care enough to send the very best. IF is correct. the OP didnt say anything about it. many people esp noobs look at caliber/power/stopping power/fps first, then ammo cost is way down the road. only when they realize they cant afford to feed, then reality sets in. Cost is why I don't shoot 10mm. I love the round, but I can't justify the extra money for ammo. I see so many people say this. Spend 700 to 1000 on a pistol and yet can't spend 150 on a progressive Lee from Midway. And after you have the press you can swap out cal with dies and a shell holder for a whopping 60 bucks and load up your 38's and 45's. The 10mm that I practice with comes in bulk at the local show, shoots clean and costs the same as equivalent 45acp Pick up a few boxes of good defensive stuff and plink with the cheaper stuff Berry's 180 gr bullet .12 cents Alliant Power Pistol 8.5 gr .04 cents Large pistol primer .03 cents Total .19 cents 10mm per box $9.50 And if your buy power in bulk or use a powder you can stretch further,or shoot lead, it get cheaper, as low as 7 bucks a box. If you can buy 10mm for that, I would say you are getting a deal. I have only had one time in my life where it did not make sense to reload and that was 9mm back in the day when you could buy bulk 9mm for 5-6 bucks. |
| 10mm was the best. for larger game it still is, but with the recent advancement in pistol bullets, it doesnt offer anything but penetration, and you can reliably get 15+" penetration in gel, and expansion through 4layers of denim with of the the major 3 loads. What more can you ask for? |
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Glock 20 is on my list to buy for the intermediate term. Looks like a great pick for backpacking in bear country. Magnum power in an autoloader sounds sweet. Also, I want to upstage my boss who thinks 10mm is controllable enough for duty use. He's never shot full powered 10mm ammo, only the light loads you commonly find. 
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Glock 20 is on my list to buy for the intermediate term. Looks like a great pick for backpacking in bear country. Magnum power in an autoloader sounds sweet. Also, I want to upstage my boss who thinks 10mm is controllable enough for duty use. He's never shot full powered 10mm ammo, only the light loads you commonly find. http://../../../../images/smilies/smiley_smartass.gif 10mm full power stuff is controllable. |
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Quoted: Glock 20 is on my list to buy for the intermediate term. Looks like a great pick for backpacking in bear country. Magnum power in an autoloader sounds sweet. Also, I want to upstage my boss who thinks 10mm is controllable enough for duty use. He's never shot full powered 10mm ammo, only the light loads you commonly find. http://../../../../images/smilies/smiley_smartass.gif There's no such thing as a standard service round, including 10mm, that's not controllable. There's only people who haven't practiced enough or got the correct training. And to refute some other things I read above: 1. There's also no such thing as "over penetration" unless you're talking self defense shooting in a crowd, and in a crowd you'd be far smarter to worry about missing and what's behind your target than over penetration. Hydrostatic shock, aka "dumping all it's energy in the target", is a myth. The more holes you poke, e.g, an entry and exit wound, the faster they bleed, and loss of blood is really the only thing you can really count on to stop someone. I'm not promoting the use of non expanding ammo when I say this, just want to bust the myth of over penetration and "energy dumping". 2. How will you feed it? Buy from one of several mail order houses, or reload. It's really not that hard to someone with an internet connection. |