Posted: 2/5/2016 11:07:47 AM EDT
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Edit: lets change the lmit to a mimimum of 5K
hi all, im doing some research on 1911 high round count usage and looking to compile statistics on various brands be it as affordable as RIA or as high end as Wilson. i want to compile guns which have has 5000 or more rounds through them and how many parts breakages and failures to fee over 500 round count mark have occurred. if you have a 1911 with over 5K fired through it. please let me know: 1. share a picture if you have it. this proves you own it and we all like pics 2. how many rounds have been fired 3. what parts have broken and at approximately what round count 4. what parts have you replaced and at what round count 5. what Failure to feed, eject, etc have you experienced and at what round counts (do not count any under 500 rounds). id be interested to track the magazine brand and how many rounds the magazine springs have had on them also. |
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Respectfully, 1000 rounds is not a high round count by any measure.
I currently own two 1911s, A S&W E Series 1911 TA with almost 9,000 rounds through it and no broken parts. The pistol has proven to be extremely reliable and robust. A SIG 1911 Super Target Nitron with roughly 8,000 rounds through it and this pistol has likewise proven to be extremely reliable and robust with no broken parts. Neither pistol represents a high round count gun IMO. I use CMC Power Mags in the S&W and SIG OEM magazines in the SIG; but either run just fine with WC 47Ds. My SiGs, both alloy and steel frame, have much higher round counts and also have been extremely reliable and robust. Eventually parts will break and when they do, simply replace them and carry on. No pics for this particular thread because I don't need to prove I own anything. |
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I second the "1000 is not a high round count" - I have a Kimber Stainless Target II that I probably have about 2-3k through over the last decade (I bought it used, no clue how many rounds previous owner cycled through it, and it is not a primary shooter for me). It has had a few parts replaced, but only one due to breakage. The BoMar style rear sight came apart (the blade separated) when I was about 1k into the gun. I replaced it with a real Bomar sight (which was pretty spendy, but worth it). It has had a bunch of upgrades, but I won't count those against the gun.
If you want to see higher round count analysis of parts, Todd Green ran a Springfield Armory Custom Shop/Warren gun through one heck of a test a couple years back. I would look at his data on Pistol-Training.com. Also, on pistol-forum.com, look for the 2k test thread. Almost all guns in that thread have gone through 2k without cleaning/lube. There are a few 1911s in there, but not a ton. -shooter |
I'm too lazy for pics right now. I've got a Springfield Armory Loaded basic model with no rail that has 5,000+ rounds through it. I've had two glocks that broke after ten rounds and the other after a few hundred and this 'ol girl still kept on going bang right up to the 5,000 mark and then she went uncle on me 
The extractor was replaced, all mags were refurbished, and the plunger housing tube needed to be re-staked. It has shot all ammo with no issues but it hates Gold Dots and always jams on me with the first two rounds in CM Power Mags. |
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I second the "1000 is not a high round count" - I have a Kimber Stainless Target II that I probably have about 2-3k through over the last decade (I bought it used, no clue how many rounds previous owner cycled through it, and it is not a primary shooter for me). It has had a few parts replaced, but only one due to breakage. The BoMar style rear sight came apart (the blade separated) when I was about 1k into the gun. I replaced it with a real Bomar sight (which was pretty spendy, but worth it). It has had a bunch of upgrades, but I won't count those against the gun. If you want to see higher round count analysis of parts, Todd Green ran a Springfield Armory Custom Shop/Warren gun through one heck of a test a couple years back. I would look at his data on Pistol-Training.com. Also, on pistol-forum.com, look for the 2k test thread. Almost all guns in that thread have gone through 2k without cleaning/lube. There are a few 1911s in there, but not a ton. -shooter i understand but wanted to keep anyone with less than that out of the thread data and also understand that a lot of times it seems problems are occuring in the 1k to 5k range. meaning if something is going to break due to faulty parts its occuing then. if it makes it past then it looks as if it will go for the long run. im also thinking if i make the limit higher i may not get near as many replys. perhaps i should remove the word "high" but it is a subjective word anyways |
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i understand but wanted to keep anyone with less than that out of the thread data and also understand that a lot of times it seems problems are occuring in the 1k to 5k range. meaning if something is going to break due to faulty parts its occuing then. if it makes it past then it looks as if it will go for the long run. im also thinking if i make the limit higher i may not get near as many replys. perhaps i should remove the word "high" but it is a subjective word anyways Quoted:
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I second the "1000 is not a high round count" - I have a Kimber Stainless Target II that I probably have about 2-3k through over the last decade (I bought it used, no clue how many rounds previous owner cycled through it, and it is not a primary shooter for me). It has had a few parts replaced, but only one due to breakage. The BoMar style rear sight came apart (the blade separated) when I was about 1k into the gun. I replaced it with a real Bomar sight (which was pretty spendy, but worth it). It has had a bunch of upgrades, but I won't count those against the gun. If you want to see higher round count analysis of parts, Todd Green ran a Springfield Armory Custom Shop/Warren gun through one heck of a test a couple years back. I would look at his data on Pistol-Training.com. Also, on pistol-forum.com, look for the 2k test thread. Almost all guns in that thread have gone through 2k without cleaning/lube. There are a few 1911s in there, but not a ton. -shooter i understand but wanted to keep anyone with less than that out of the thread data and also understand that a lot of times it seems problems are occuring in the 1k to 5k range. meaning if something is going to break due to faulty parts its occuing then. if it makes it past then it looks as if it will go for the long run. im also thinking if i make the limit higher i may not get near as many replys. perhaps i should remove the word "high" but it is a subjective word anyways |
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What is your data for, exactly? What brands to stay away from or for displaying later to prove 1911's are bad or something? Quoted:
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I second the "1000 is not a high round count" - I have a Kimber Stainless Target II that I probably have about 2-3k through over the last decade (I bought it used, no clue how many rounds previous owner cycled through it, and it is not a primary shooter for me). It has had a few parts replaced, but only one due to breakage. The BoMar style rear sight came apart (the blade separated) when I was about 1k into the gun. I replaced it with a real Bomar sight (which was pretty spendy, but worth it). It has had a bunch of upgrades, but I won't count those against the gun. If you want to see higher round count analysis of parts, Todd Green ran a Springfield Armory Custom Shop/Warren gun through one heck of a test a couple years back. I would look at his data on Pistol-Training.com. Also, on pistol-forum.com, look for the 2k test thread. Almost all guns in that thread have gone through 2k without cleaning/lube. There are a few 1911s in there, but not a ton. -shooter i understand but wanted to keep anyone with less than that out of the thread data and also understand that a lot of times it seems problems are occuring in the 1k to 5k range. meaning if something is going to break due to faulty parts its occuing then. if it makes it past then it looks as if it will go for the long run. im also thinking if i make the limit higher i may not get near as many replys. perhaps i should remove the word "high" but it is a subjective word anyways specifically my next 1911 purchase at the end of the month. so far i have stayed with only springfield armory guns and im ready to venture out into others. |
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I second the "1000 is not a high round count" - I have a Kimber Stainless Target II that I probably have about 2-3k through over the last decade (I bought it used, no clue how many rounds previous owner cycled through it, and it is not a primary shooter for me). It has had a few parts replaced, but only one due to breakage. The BoMar style rear sight came apart (the blade separated) when I was about 1k into the gun. I replaced it with a real Bomar sight (which was pretty spendy, but worth it). It has had a bunch of upgrades, but I won't count those against the gun. If you want to see higher round count analysis of parts, Todd Green ran a Springfield Armory Custom Shop/Warren gun through one heck of a test a couple years back. I would look at his data on Pistol-Training.com. Also, on pistol-forum.com, look for the 2k test thread. Almost all guns in that thread have gone through 2k without cleaning/lube. There are a few 1911s in there, but not a ton. -shooter shooter - thanks for the link, this is some great data. perhaps we need a thread like that specific to 1911s here |
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I'm too lazy for pics right now. I've got a Springfield Armory Loaded basic model with no rail that has 5,000+ rounds through it. I've had two glocks that broke after ten rounds and the other after a few hundred and this 'ol girl still kept on going bang right up to the 5,000 mark and then she went uncle on me
The extractor was replaced, all mags were refurbished, and the plunger housing tube needed to be re-staked. It has shot all ammo with no issues but it hates Gold Dots and always jams on me with the first two rounds in CM Power Mags. out of curiosity, did springfield do that all for you under warranty? ive only ever had them fix a trigger and a front sight that came loose after 1-2k rounds on my milspec. they did it all for free and only was out of s gun for about 2-3 weeks |
my first 1911 was a springfield milspec stainless that i put 2500 rounds through before selling it to fund the below gun, so no pic. it came with a 9lb trigger that was fixed by SA down to 5lbs under warranty, they also polished the feed ramps for me for free  . at 1500 rounds the front sight csme loose and they fixed that as well. only stoppages were with lswc reloads so i syoppd using them and never had an issue with any factory ammo amd wilson, cmc or mec-gar mags
then i sold it to fund a springfield long beach operator as soon as they started mass producing them last year. i do not have 1k through it yet as health issues have stopped me from shooting the past 6 months but im almost done and ready to get back out and shoot. with a bday coming up im looking into other 1911s as well. was thinking something like a dan wesson valor or les baer premier ii or colt perhaps wiley clapp model. still undecided, just know i want something stainless again and without the rail as i already have a dark one with a rail pic of my baby 
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out of curiosity, did springfield do that all for you under warranty? ive only ever had them fix a trigger and a front sight that came loose after 1-2k rounds on my milspec. they did it all for free and only was out of s gun for about 2-3 weeks Quoted:
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I'm too lazy for pics right now. I've got a Springfield Armory Loaded basic model with no rail that has 5,000+ rounds through it. I've had two glocks that broke after ten rounds and the other after a few hundred and this 'ol girl still kept on going bang right up to the 5,000 mark and then she went uncle on me
The extractor was replaced, all mags were refurbished, and the plunger housing tube needed to be re-staked. It has shot all ammo with no issues but it hates Gold Dots and always jams on me with the first two rounds in CM Power Mags. out of curiosity, did springfield do that all for you under warranty? ive only ever had them fix a trigger and a front sight that came loose after 1-2k rounds on my milspec. they did it all for free and only was out of s gun for about 2-3 weeks |
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i understand but wanted to keep anyone with less than that out of the thread data and also understand that a lot of times it seems problems are occuring in the 1k to 5k range. meaning if something is going to break due to faulty parts its occuing then. if it makes it past then it looks as if it will go for the long run. im also thinking if i make the limit higher i may not get near as many replys. perhaps i should remove the word "high" but it is a subjective word anyways I think it depends. If you are not keeping a current recoil spring in the gun, you will tend to wear out more other parts as well. The 1-5k may be true of MIM parts, but is less likely to be true of others. One problem you will run into with 1911 data, is that there just doesn't seem to be as much of it. I feel like a lot of 1911 buyers just buy and don't shoot them as much. In my case, I didn't start really logging round counts with any fidelity until 2 years ago. So most of my firearms have really spit-balled round counts. Ask me on my last two purchases, and I will be +/- 5 rounds. If you go looking for Glock, Sig, Smith M&P, and guns like that, you tend to find a significantly higher sample size. Also, 1911s become non-analogous really quickly depending on parts quality and build quality. -shooter |
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Springer TRP went probably 8K or so before having a FP stop break. Plunger tube and ejector both came unglued around that time too.
Springer Professional is probably around 15K now. Extractor and FP stop replaced due to the factory ones not working correctly. Frame rail cracked recently(hairline) above where the slide stop engagement tab is. No parts breakages to list. Malfunction were only cause by ammo(blazer brass, seems they don't crimp enough) You guys have both seen both of mine and photobucket isn't cooperating so. 1k is a very low limit. Both the pistols above worked flawlessly through several weekend classes that are 1k round count. Add lube and wipe down inbetween days is all I did to keep them going. I use Wilson 47 mags mostly, a few 47Ds that were converted to 7 rounders with tripp upgrades, and the mags that came with the Professional. |
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I think it depends. If you are not keeping a current recoil spring in the gun, you will tend to wear out more other parts as well. The 1-5k may be true of MIM parts, but is less likely to be true of others. One problem you will run into with 1911 data, is that there just doesn't seem to be as much of it. I feel like a lot of 1911 buyers just buy and don't shoot them as much. In my case, I didn't start really logging round counts with any fidelity until 2 years ago. So most of my firearms have really spit-balled round counts. Ask me on my last two purchases, and I will be +/- 5 rounds. If you go looking for Glock, Sig, Smith M&P, and guns like that, you tend to find a significantly higher sample size. Also, 1911s become non-analogous really quickly depending on parts quality and build quality. -shooter Quoted:
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i understand but wanted to keep anyone with less than that out of the thread data and also understand that a lot of times it seems problems are occuring in the 1k to 5k range. meaning if something is going to break due to faulty parts its occuing then. if it makes it past then it looks as if it will go for the long run. im also thinking if i make the limit higher i may not get near as many replys. perhaps i should remove the word "high" but it is a subjective word anyways I think it depends. If you are not keeping a current recoil spring in the gun, you will tend to wear out more other parts as well. The 1-5k may be true of MIM parts, but is less likely to be true of others. One problem you will run into with 1911 data, is that there just doesn't seem to be as much of it. I feel like a lot of 1911 buyers just buy and don't shoot them as much. In my case, I didn't start really logging round counts with any fidelity until 2 years ago. So most of my firearms have really spit-balled round counts. Ask me on my last two purchases, and I will be +/- 5 rounds. If you go looking for Glock, Sig, Smith M&P, and guns like that, you tend to find a significantly higher sample size. Also, 1911s become non-analogous really quickly depending on parts quality and build quality. -shooter i agree with you completely. the fact that 45 ammo is more expensive and that more modern guns are lighter and carry more rounds tends to lead others to go with them as well now that i know what features i like in a 1911 and the fact that im set with all my plastic guns, im looking to buy a collection that i can hand down to my children, so i want to be able to put 1000s rounds through them and for them to do the same and not worry about issues other than standard parts replacement. i love my glocks but handing my son a 1911 that has some nice wear on the metal from my usage just seems a lot more appealing to me. |
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Springer TRP went probably 8K or so before having a FP stop break. Plunger tube and ejector both came unglued around that time too. Springer Professional is probably around 15K now. Extractor and FP stop replaced due to the factory ones not working correctly. Frame rail cracked recently(hairline) above where the slide stop engagement tab is. No parts breakages to list. Malfunction were only cause by ammo(blazer brass, seems they don't crimp enough) You guys have both seen both of mine and photobucket isn't cooperating so. 1k is a very low limit. Both the pistols above worked flawlessly through several weekend classes that are 1k round count. Add lube and wipe down inbetween days is all I did to keep them going. I use Wilson 47 mags mostly, a few 47Ds that were converted to 7 rounders with tripp upgrades, and the mags that came with the Professional. interesting, do you feel the professional is a better gun quality wise than the trp minus the issues you had when new? im assuming sa will fix that cracked frame for you under warranty. they have been very good for me in th past. |
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My wife would sometime shoot 1000 rds in a weekend when practicing for a big match.
Springfield Armory 1911,probably had 100k rounds through it.Only parts replaced--that I remember anyway-- were ejector,extractor,sear spring,main spring,recoil spring (many times).Mags were always Wilson 47's........ |
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that is an awesome posting with some great pictures. his BAER has held up very vell with 30K rounds |
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interesting, do you feel the professional is a better gun quality wise than the trp minus the issues you had when new? im assuming sa will fix that cracked frame for you under warranty. they have been very good for me in th past. Quoted:
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Springer TRP went probably 8K or so before having a FP stop break. Plunger tube and ejector both came unglued around that time too. Springer Professional is probably around 15K now. Extractor and FP stop replaced due to the factory ones not working correctly. Frame rail cracked recently(hairline) above where the slide stop engagement tab is. No parts breakages to list. Malfunction were only cause by ammo(blazer brass, seems they don't crimp enough) You guys have both seen both of mine and photobucket isn't cooperating so. 1k is a very low limit. Both the pistols above worked flawlessly through several weekend classes that are 1k round count. Add lube and wipe down inbetween days is all I did to keep them going. I use Wilson 47 mags mostly, a few 47Ds that were converted to 7 rounders with tripp upgrades, and the mags that came with the Professional. interesting, do you feel the professional is a better gun quality wise than the trp minus the issues you had when new? im assuming sa will fix that cracked frame for you under warranty. they have been very good for me in th past. Yes and no. Its clearly fit better. You can tell they took their time with it. Staked plunger and a pinned ejector is a nice touch that should be standard on all 1911s. TRP doesn't have those last mentioned. Both came undone during shooting. But didn't cause any issues due to the design of the 1911. TRP for some reason just feeds better. It likes 10 round mags where as the Professional does not. You pay quite a bit more for attention to detail. Small things and such. Performance wise I think its a toss up. Both are solid 1911s. I think you have to be a 1911 junkie to really appreciate the professional model or really any 1911 of a semi custom nature. All that being said the Pro is what is in my holster everyday. The crack in the frame happens when the rail isn't relieved there. Some manufactures remove that small section due to cracking. Im not sure how Springer will treat me on it, really doesn't impede function at all. I figure this time next year Ill either need to have the Pro refurbished or step into another semi custom 1911. I think I may send off a email to Springer since Im thinking about it to see what itll cost me for a refurb and turn around time. Im just gunna run it until it starts having issues 
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Kimber pre series II.
replaced, Slide (double charge at 10,000 ish) Safety, slide stop, trigger, grips (did not like factory ones) hammer sear (at about 30,000) replaced MSH for a S&A MSH Fitted a EGW extractor some time ago kept org as spare fitted. recoil springs thumb safety slide stop spring replaced Gun has about 30,500 at maybe see 100 rounds a year now. all malfunctions can be traced back to a bad reloads worst one being the 2x charge
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go to any local USPSA-IPSC match and you'll find a bunch of guys who shoot more than 10,000 rounds a year a quality STI,.. springfield,...etc will run a long long time springs wear, sometimes extractors break, shit happens I'm on my second limited gun (aka a STI 2011 of some sort). First one had 10K plus, current one is just over 5k. Once I had the extractor tuned in the second one, they've both been flawless. And show no sign of stopping. |
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Springfield TRP
Round count: Last count I had was just over the 5,000 round mark. Would estimate current count in the 5400 range. Changed range boxes and my log book didn't make the move. No parts breakage - the slide has loosened up a touch but nothing significant. Replacement parts: Wolff 16lb recoil springs every 2000 rounds, SACS cerakoted the barrel (holding up great) Mags: Wilson 47 and 47d's / CMC Powermags / OEM Springfield mags - only issue was one mag that Ironhandjohn had it was a Wilson 47D Previous update thread - the precursor thread is somewhere in the archives. No failures it is reliable as my Glocks and I've shot a shit ton of Tula through it.  DSC_7007 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr
 DSC_7010 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr
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I'm on my second limited gun (aka a STI 2011 of some sort). First one had 10K plus, current one is just over 5k. Once I had the extractor tuned in the second one, they've both been flawless. And show no sign of stopping. what happened to the first one? Swapped it with my Dad. He had a factory Edge that he had experienced some problems with. Pretty sure he got it all figured out, because I really only had to tune the extractor. Granted, I have a U-die in my press, maybe that's it, but it has been 100% since, and has always been 100% on factory ammo. My old one was a short dust cover, bushing barrel. I prefer the Edge now, but that's probably mostly from having more trigger time on it. |
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I got this Para P14 used in 93, bought it from a guy in my uspsa club, who had bought it from another guy in the club. It was pretty beat by then, but for 500.00 I was finally running a high cap in limited. Those guys had to have put 10k thru it.
Ran it for 14.5 k rounds, really trouble free. I just replaced the recoil spring a few times, never got better than 5" @25 yds. Good enough for most run and gun. Somewhere around rd 14.51 the front of the slide broke, right behind the bushing. Yep, a 1" chunk of slide, and all the crap in there went 10 yds down range. Ended up calling para, told them what happened and they said send in the parts. Damned if they did not send me a new slide. Put it back together and it sat in the safe for a while. Got bored one winter and decided the new slide and beat frame needed some love, so I tried my hand at airbrush digital duracoat. I rarely shoot it anymore, still runs and still a 5" gun. Best guess is 25k rounds. 
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