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3/15/2007 4:46:56 AM EDT
OK, Im used to racking the slide on my Kimber Warrior to chamber a round. I have been told that this is the preferred method to load a round and prevents peening to parts of the pistol and is better for the pistol. When the slide locks up on the last round fired, I also grasp the slide and rack the next round.
I have recently started to shoot bullseye competition, I bought a 1911 built by Fred Kart and I LOVE it , its accurate as hell. While on the line in my last round of rapid fire I did what I normally do, racked the slide and raised the pistol and sighted and squeezed the trgger and ......nothing....... the hammer had dropped and I had to manually cock the trigger and by then, well , lets say that my accuracy was not up to par and I only got off 4 shots. While dry firing I have noticed that the hammer will frequently drop while racking the slide. I spoke to my friend and he told me the preferred method to load in competition is to insert the next mag, hold the trigger fully depressed and then use the slide lock to release the slide. Sure enough , that has solved the problem.
I guess Im asking is this something that should also be used with my Kimber or do I stick to racking the slide on the kimber without depressing the trigger or use the slide and depressed trigger on all 1911 ???
Sorry if this is a noob question.
thanks/.
3/15/2007 5:16:31 AM EDT
[#1]
1. there is a slide stop/slide release debate brewing that has been solved to my satisfaction. there are serrations on the SS which PROVES it is used for release as well as locking, and it is perfectly acceptable to manipulate the slide release to chamber the first round.

2. NEVERTHELESS, your hammer should not be following the slide and it is clear you have a problem with you Kimber. Get the weapon serviced and then chamber the weapon with your choice of the two methods.
3/15/2007 11:13:26 AM EDT
[#2]
Get the gun into the shop and have it looked at.
It should not be doing that and after taking a couple armorers courses and talking with lots of the well known smiths out there you should NOT do that trigger method of loading...  Thats how old timers did it in competition and is dangerous as well as causes problems (what exactly they are I do not recal) but as I said this came from people who works on these things for a living and make good money doing it....
3/15/2007 11:17:09 AM EDT
[#3]
Yup, I shoot that gun in competition and one of the other competitors told me thats the way to load it. Its true that the hammer will not drop with the trigger depressed.
3/15/2007 11:36:47 AM EDT
[#4]
IIRC the problem is caused by too little sear engagement.
3/15/2007 12:41:49 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
IIRC the problem is caused by too little sear engagement.
+1  Trigger, Sear, Disconnector, & Hammer likely need work.
3/15/2007 2:07:22 PM EDT
[#6]
What you're experiancing is due to an extremely light trigger ( under 2 lbs I'll bet ). The hammer is dropping due to sear bounce when you drop the slide. You need to have it looked to.

Your Kimber with stock trigger should be just fine.  
3/16/2007 3:47:49 AM EDT
[#7]
The kimber with the stock trigger is fine, no problems there. The trigger on the Colt has been lightened to 3 lbs, you are correct on all counts
3/16/2007 4:15:47 AM EDT
[#8]
That method of loading (holding the trigger) was shown to me by an old timer too. IMHO, it is dangerous and should not be used. That was the source of my (to date, and hopefully ever!) one and only AD (ND actually)

I was loading my Combat Commander that had a very light trigger also. Never had hammer follow. Unsure, but I suspect it jumped (heavy recoil spring) just enough to cause me to double the trigger (it was imperceptible, but I suspect that is what happened). What WAS noticeable was the loud noise followed by the hole in my car door (was in the country, preparing to shoot at an outdoor area, and the direction through the door happened to be the chosen "safe" direction to point the pistol...). Man, a .45 is really loud inside a vehicle!

Yeah, my insurance covered the car damage (liberal asshole adjuster was frothing at the mouth though!). And yeah, I abandoned that method of loading. And yeah, I had the Colt gutted and refitted with all new fire control parts. Just to be sure.

BTW, this was in 1981, so.... lessons learned? You betchya!
3/16/2007 6:12:26 AM EDT
[#9]
A good friend of mine blew a 230 grain Speer Gold Dot through my upstairs floor, off the ground floor concrete, and back up into the wall because he had his finger on the trigger when he racked the slide to load it.
3/16/2007 6:45:45 AM EDT
[#10]

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A good friend of mine blew a 230 grain Speer Gold Dot through my upstairs floor, off the ground floor concrete, and back up into the wall because he had his finger on the trigger when he racked the slide to load it.
   YA THINK ?.....
3/16/2007 6:54:51 AM EDT
[#11]
I was told that it was impossible for the pistol to fire provided the trigger is completely depressed ? Again, Im not taking a contrary position, Im trying to resolve my problem and looking for answers from someone more knowledgable than me
3/16/2007 7:07:00 AM EDT
[#12]
I was told that too..... by the same guy who gutted it and replaced the parts for me after my incident. (He also quit showing/telling folks how to do that, and quit doing it himself). He wasn't the smith that did the trigger job (which MAY have contributed to the incident) but if the surfaces inside have been worked on (as in a really light trigger), is it possible for something to slip (sear) when jarred (slide going home forward)? Maybe. Or maybe the same jolt may cause just enough of a let up in pressure on the trigger.... either way, if it goes bang when it shouldn't, it is a bad thing! And keeping your finger off the trigger when you do not intend to fire is the best way I know of to prevent this.
YMMV.
3/16/2007 10:29:45 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
A good friend of mine blew a 230 grain Speer Gold Dot through my upstairs floor, off the ground floor concrete, and back up into the wall because he had his finger on the trigger when he racked the slide to load it.
   YA THINK ?.....


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