Posted: 11/23/2009 6:26:31 AM EDT
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Has anybody ever tried using the 15rd steel Ciener .22LR conversion mags in their Advantage Arms 1911 conversion? If so, how did it perform? I'm partial to steel mags over plastic. I'd also like to have the extra 5rds capacity of the Ciener mag.
If the Ciener mag isn't compatible, do any of the other steel .22LR conversion mags function with the A.A. kit? (i.e. Tac Sol or Colt Ace) Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! |
First I need to clarify that there are two different versions of the 1911 conversion kit from Advantage Arms. The target version from Advantage Arms is marked STI and can be had either in the wide body mag or single stack mag. The STI version appears to look like a Bob Marvel conversion with fixed barrel and small moving slide. The other version has a solid slide and moving barrel and appears very similar to a Ciener kit in design. I have the latter Advantage Arms kit and it uses a barrel very similar to the Ciener kit especially in relation to the ejector being attached to the barrel. I just took my Advantage Arms kit outside and tested it with two Kimber mags. I know the Kimber mags are interchangeable with the Ciener. I also have a EAA conversion kit which is a copy of the Ciener pattern. The Ciener mags work with the EAA kit and also the Kimber mags work with the EAA. I don't have any Ciener mags on hand to test in my Advantage Arms but I'm 99% sure they will work. The main difference in mags between Advantage Arms and Ciener is AA puts a steel block in the slide around the slide stop notch and utilizes a mag with a bolt hold open tab. The Ciener kits or mag do not incorporate a bolt hold open feature on the last round. Other than being metal and no bolt hold open feature the Ciener mags should work. I also read where you can disassemble a Kimber or AA mag and take the floor plate detent out of the mag body and the mag will hold and function with 15 rounds. I tried this and it works however I'm satisfied with 10 rounds and put the detent back in my mags.
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my conversion keeps jamming and i have taken it to a 1911 specialist shop here in dallas and they are looking at it, but even after cleaning oiling and a few look overs by the range officals nothing gives so i am hoping theres something that the shop can do for me so i dont go bankrupt buying .45 ammo
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First I need to clarify that there are two different versions of the 1911 conversion kit from Advantage Arms. The target version from Advantage Arms is marked STI and can be had either in the wide body mag or single stack mag. The STI version appears to look like a Bob Marvel conversion with fixed barrel and small moving slide. The other version has a solid slide and moving barrel and appears very similar to a Ciener kit in design. I have the latter Advantage Arms kit and it uses a barrel very similar to the Ciener kit especially in relation to the ejector being attached to the barrel. I just took my Advantage Arms kit outside and tested it with two Kimber mags. I know the Kimber mags are interchangeable with the Ciener. I also have a EAA conversion kit which is a copy of the Ciener pattern. The Ciener mags work with the EAA kit and also the Kimber mags work with the EAA. I don't have any Ciener mags on hand to test in my Advantage Arms but I'm 99% sure they will work. The main difference in mags between Advantage Arms and Ciener is AA puts a steel block in the slide around the slide stop notch and utilizes a mag with a bolt hold open tab. The Ciener kits or mag do not incorporate a bolt hold open feature on the last round. Other than being metal and no bolt hold open feature the Ciener mags should work. I also read where you can disassemble a Kimber or AA mag and take the floor plate detent out of the mag body and the mag will hold and function with 15 rounds. I tried this and it works however I'm satisfied with 10 rounds and put the detent back in my mags. VASCAR2: Great info, thanks! Actually, I'm referring only to the single stack Advantage Arms .22LR conversion for milspec 1911 models, not the STI and Para double stack types. I now feel better about taking a chance and buying a 15rd Ciener mag for live fire testing with my A.A. kit. I wasn't aware that EAA made a 1911 .22LR conversion. As far as I know, this now makes 8 different brands of .22LR conversions for milspec 1911's. (Athough I'm sure that some of these brands share the same design.) Here's what I have in alphabetical l order. Let me know if I've missed any. 1.) Advantage Arms 2.) Ciener 3.) Colt ACE 4.) EAA 5.) Kimber 6.) Marvel 7.) Tactical Solutions 8.) Wilson Combat Thanks again, Baron Von Coleslaw |
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VASCAR2: Great info, thanks! Actually, I'm referring only to the single stack Advantage Arms .22LR conversion for milspec 1911 models, not the STI and Para double stack types. I now feel better about taking a chance and buying a 15rd Ciener mag for live fire testing with my A.A. kit. I wasn't aware that EAA made a 1911 .22LR conversion. As far as I know, this now makes 8 different brands of .22LR conversions for milspec 1911's. (Athough I'm sure that some of these brands share the same design.) Here's what I have in alphabetical l order. Let me know if I've missed any. 1.) Advantage Arms 2.) Ciener 3.) Colt ACE 4.) EAA 5.) Jarvis 6.) Kimber 7.) Marvel 8.) Pachmyr 9.) Tactical Solutions 10.) Wilson Combat Will any other brands of milspec 1911 .22LR conversion mags run in an A.A. kit? Anybody ever tried a Colt ACE steel mag in an A.A. kit? What about the Tactical Solutions mags? They are steel too and appear to be very well made (although a bit pricey). BTW... I found two more 1911 .22LR conversions to add to the list: Jarvis and Pachmyr. This makes 10. Anybody know of any others? |
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Quoted: Quoted: VASCAR2: Great info, thanks! Actually, I'm referring only to the single stack Advantage Arms .22LR conversion for milspec 1911 models, not the STI and Para double stack types. I now feel better about taking a chance and buying a 15rd Ciener mag for live fire testing with my A.A. kit. I wasn't aware that EAA made a 1911 .22LR conversion. As far as I know, this now makes 8 different brands of .22LR conversions for milspec 1911's. (Athough I'm sure that some of these brands share the same design.) Here's what I have in alphabetical l order. Let me know if I've missed any. 1.) Advantage Arms 2.) Ciener 3.) Colt ACE 4.) EAA 5.) Jarvis 6.) Kimber 7.) Marvel 8.) Pachmyr 9.) Tactical Solutions 10.) Wilson Combat Will any other brands of milspec 1911 .22LR conversion mags run in an A.A. kit? Anybody ever tried a Colt ACE steel mag in an A.A. kit? What about the Tactical Solutions mags? They are steel too and appear to be very well made (although a bit pricey). BTW... I found two more 1911 .22LR conversions to add to the list: Jarvis and Pachmyr. This makes 10. Anybody know of any others? Regarding the Pachmayr kit, it was actually an imported Peters-Stahl unit from Germany. It uses Colt Ace magazines. It is no longer in production, AFAIK. I had one, and once I got the barrel properly shimmed, it ran well enough. |
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VASCAR2: Great info, thanks! Actually, I'm referring only to the single stack Advantage Arms .22LR conversion for milspec 1911 models, not the STI and Para double stack types. I now feel better about taking a chance and buying a 15rd Ciener mag for live fire testing with my A.A. kit. I wasn't aware that EAA made a 1911 .22LR conversion. As far as I know, this now makes 8 different brands of .22LR conversions for milspec 1911's. (Athough I'm sure that some of these brands share the same design.) Here's what I have in alphabetical l order. Let me know if I've missed any. 1.) Advantage Arms 2.) Ciener 3.) Colt ACE 4.) EAA 5.) Jarvis 6.) Kimber 7.) Marvel 8.) Pachmyr 9.) Tactical Solutions 10.) Wilson Combat Will any other brands of milspec 1911 .22LR conversion mags run in an A.A. kit? Anybody ever tried a Colt ACE steel mag in an A.A. kit? What about the Tactical Solutions mags? They are steel too and appear to be very well made (although a bit pricey). BTW... I found two more 1911 .22LR conversions to add to the list: Jarvis and Pachmyr. This makes 10. Anybody know of any others? other mfg you dont have. btw, some are copies of others. Day Iver Johnson |
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The tac sols are aluminum and I would love to know if the Colt ace mags work in them. Cieners may, but won't lock the slide back.
I have owned a couple of conversions, don't know jack about the AA kits, but here is what I do know for sure: Kimber will take Ciener (old Kimber was a ciener, new one is in house but same mag fits) Old Wilson was a Ciener, New one is Marvel Marvel will take Colt Ace mags Les Baer had a conversion out at one time, was a Ciener KART, took Ace mags United States Arms, was a KART and took Colt Ace mags Once this all gets sorted out I would love to see a list tacked. |
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The tac sols are aluminum and I would love to know if the Colt ace mags work in them. Cieners may, but won't lock the slide back. I have owned a couple of conversions, don't know jack about the AA kits, but here is what I do know for sure: Kimber will take Ciener (old Kimber was a ciener, new one is in house but same mag fits) Old Wilson was a Ciener, New one is Marvel Marvel will take Colt Ace mags Les Baer had a conversion out at one time, was a Ciener KART, took Ace mags United States Arms, was a KART and took Colt Ace mags Once this all gets sorted out I would love to see a list tacked. Interesting... Midway USA has the Tac Sol milspec 1911 conversion mags advertised as being steel. However, they also correctly advertise Tac Sol's STI-2011& 2211 conversion mags as being aluminum. (I didn't see any of the milspec 1911 conversion mags on Tac Sol's website, so I can't confirm.) There has been a surprising number of 1911 .22LR conversions on the market over the years. Many different brand names, but far fewer original designs. I'd be happy to put together a magazine compatibility list, but I will need more feedback from 1911 conversion owners (especially for the older and more obscure brands). |