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7/23/2006 4:53:51 PM EDT
Is there a semi-auto 22 MAG that is small enough for a pocket or ankle holster?  I already have other firearms in the same cal. and am interested in one for a BUG.

Thanks,

Jeff
7/23/2006 5:12:48 PM EDT
[#1]
i've seen the small revolvers, but not "quality" autos smaller than .32 or a SNS

no offense, but why would you want such a small BUG caliber?
7/23/2006 5:35:27 PM EDT
[#2]
The 22 MAG has better balistics that all between the .25 auto and the .380

Cal            Vel.          Energy
.25 auto   1100           94
.25 NAA    1200          112
.32 auto   1050          147
.32 NAA    1150          176

.22 MAG   1480          195

.380        1050          220

All are cor-bon numbers except the .22 mag which is winchester.

This is all for not if there is not a 22 that is reliable for carry.  I'd rather have one that is a little less powerful but works.......

Thank, Jeff
7/23/2006 10:36:33 PM EDT
[#3]
AMT used to make its Automag II with a short 3.4" (IIRC) barrel:



This one is over on gunbroker:  www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976743032.htm

No it is not mine.

The thing you need to remember is that even if energy were a direct measure of effectiveness for self-defense, the barrel lengths tested with each type of ammo vary considerably, and skew the figures.
7/23/2006 11:16:49 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
AMT used to make its Automag II with a short 3.4" (IIRC) barrel:

i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/ThePirateAtArfcom/Pics/976743032-1.jpg

This one is over on gunbroker:  www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976743032.htm

No it is not mine.

The thing you need to remember is that even if energy were a direct measure of effectiveness for self-defense, the barrel lengths tested with each type of ammo vary considerably, and skew the figures.


for a gun that size, i would rather upgrade to a 9mm/.380 Khar or Kel-Tec...how about those .22mag revolvers made my i think american arms or something?
7/23/2006 11:31:26 PM EDT
[#5]
Because of the length of the cartridge, the .22 Magnum doesn't lend itself well to small autos.

The .22 Magnum is a good BUG caliber, it was well revered in the older days as being a very effective round for that use. No less an authority than Bill Jordan was quite fond of it, and lobbying S&W to develop an airweight J-frame .22 Mag. Today we do have just that, the S&W 351PD. If you want a small .22 Mag pistol, I think that's the way to go. I've looked at them myself, but for the money I think much more effective pistols can be had.
7/23/2006 11:55:14 PM EDT
[#6]
There are the 5 shot North American Arms Mini Mag revolvers, varios brands from junk to quality of double barrel derrinters.
7/24/2006 5:34:42 AM EDT
[#7]
Kel-Tec P32

3.5" tall, 5.1" overall length, .75" overall width, 9.4 ounces loaded (using 7 round mag)

7+1 .32 ACP, 10+1 with extended magazine (and this one still fits in my back pocket every day)



Kahr MK9

4.0" tall, 5.3" overall length, .90" slide width, 24 ounces loaded

6+1 9mm, 7+1 with grip extension


With these and other similar choices, why would you want a rimfire? If it's money, save up until you can get something more formidable. I would never trust my life to a .22 anything. Yes, I know it's a backup, but you have to assume there's a chance you would actually have to use it.  I have several .22's (even the NAA mini revolvers), but they don't get carried. You can do much better than a .22 Magnum.

Added: The NAA mini in 22 Magnum is a handful. Groups about the size of a dinner plate at 5-6 yards and that's about it. Kicks like a mule. Fun though.
7/24/2006 5:40:38 AM EDT
[#8]
There was a gun mentioned on here before that was bigger than a BUG but it carried 30 rounds of .22 Mag in a mag that still fit in the grip. It looked to be about the size of a Glock 17. IMO, that's a formidable peice of firepower for a handgun.

+1 on the 351 PD. It's probably you're only option as of now.
7/24/2006 8:17:29 AM EDT
[#9]
The .22 WMR which came out in 1959 is chambered in single action revolvers mostly.

7/24/2006 2:26:45 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
There was a gun mentioned on here before that was bigger than a BUG but it carried 30 rounds of .22 Mag in a mag that still fit in the grip. It looked to be about the size of a Glock 17. IMO, that's a formidable peice of firepower for a handgun.

+1 on the 351 PD. It's probably you're only option as of now.


You are thinking of the Grendel P-30.
7/24/2006 3:47:08 PM EDT
[#11]
As usual a lot of good info from everyone.  I now have several options to concider.

Thanks again,

Jeff