[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 45 GAP? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/5/2010 11:58:31 AM EDT
 i don't understand the reasoning behind the 45GAP , how does it improve on the 45ACP?
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i don't understand the reasoning behind the 45GAP , how does it improve on the 45ACP?The point of the GAP wasn't to be an improvement over the .45 ACP per say. It's point was to fit a .45 caliber cartridge into a 9mm sized gun. Size, meaning grip circumference. So people with smaller hangs could still comfortably shoot a double stack .45 caliber Glock. It didn't catch on. 
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i don't understand the reasoning behind the 45GAP , how does it improve on the 45ACP?The point of the GAP wasn't to be an improvement over the .45 ACP per say. It's point was to fit a .45 caliber cartridge into a 9mm sized gun. Size, meaning grip circumference. So people with smaller hangs could still comfortably shoot a double stack .45 caliber Glock. It didn't catch on. As he says. The idea was get to get 45 caliber performance into a 9mm sized gun. FWIW, it essentially does that with the lighter (200gr and 185gr) 45 caliber bullets. It has insufficient powder capacity for 230gr loads. |
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the GAP was Glock's attempt to do what the new "SF" frames have actually done... get those with smaller hands something that they can use with a .45 caliber round.
The GAP has not caught on like they had hoped, and the new SF pistols are a much better answer. .45 GAP... a solution to a problem that was solved by the SF line. |
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 the G20 + G21 SF models still have overly large grips for many people. other manufacturers can wrap a grip around 45 ACP double stacks and not have them so damn big. why did glock see it necessary to invent a whole new cartridge to accomplish such a simple task?Because they refuse to loose the shitty hump on the grip. If they just made it a straight grip (ala 1911) it would be a LOT smaller and more comfortable for people to hold. Doesn't matter anyway, GLOCK does not listen to it's customers. Everyone was saying that they wanted a single stack .45acp full size 4.5-5" gun... we got the GAP (aka CRAP). I sold my glocks off and switched to HK for polymer guns. Much better grip and a usable slide release and safety/decocker. YMMV. 
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I have a G37 and a G21SF the GAP pistol has advantages over the G21SF and the G21SF has advantages over it. I like both pistols and the GAP cartridge made it possible for my mom to have a 45 that she could handle.
You will hear a lot of hate in this forum about the cartridge because everyone thinks it was designed to replace the 45ACP. Most people who do hate it have never shot it or even owned one. Honestly I do not know how people who have never shot or owned one can give an objective opinion on it. They all seem very just straight against it and would never try it. |
taurus 24/7, s+w m+p and spr xdm in 45acp all have smaller grips than glock 9mm pistols!!!
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i don't understand the reasoning behind the 45GAP , how does it improve on the 45ACP?The point of the GAP wasn't to be an improvement over the .45 ACP per say. It's point was to fit a .45 caliber cartridge into a 9mm sized gun. Size, meaning grip circumference. So people with smaller hangs could still comfortably shoot a double stack .45 caliber Glock. It didn't catch on. As he says. The idea was get to get 45 caliber performance into a 9mm sized gun. It has insufficient powder capacity for 230gr loads. Not true. A number of manufacturers make a 230 grain .45 GAP load. I still have a box around here somewhere after selling my .45 GAP XD. |
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i don't understand the reasoning behind the 45GAP , how does it improve on the 45ACP?The point of the GAP wasn't to be an improvement over the .45 ACP per say. It's point was to fit a .45 caliber cartridge into a 9mm sized gun. Size, meaning grip circumference. So people with smaller hangs could still comfortably shoot a double stack .45 caliber Glock. It didn't catch on. As he says. The idea was get to get 45 caliber performance into a 9mm sized gun. FWIW, it essentially does that with the lighter (200gr and 185gr) 45 caliber bullets. It has insufficient powder capacity for 230gr loads. Sorry but that's total bullshit. Winchester Ranger-T in .45 GAP pushes a 230gr JHP at 880 FPS. That's pretty much identical to .45 ACP numbers. The .45 GAP Ranger-T is law enforcement only as far as I can tell, but the moral of the story is, it's DEFINITELY possible to shoot 230gr in .45 GAP. I'm sure there are other 230gr loadings out there that are available to civilians. Read this link and look at the table there: http://home.comcast.net/~petej/45gap.45acp.plusp.htm And like others have said already, that's not even what the .45 GAP is meant to do. It's not meant to replace .45 ACP. It's meant to put as much firepower as possible into a package that fits in a regular 9mm-sized Glock frame, for those (like myself) who don't like the huge grip of the 20/21. |
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Was their this much controversy when the .357 Sig round came out from the .357 SW Mag fans????
Is it me or do people feel threatened that the .45GAP will replace the .45ACP??? I do not know why they are not even directly competing against each other. It is just another cartridge that is available and seems like their is a crown dedicated to seeing it fail. I do not get it I figured people would like a round that would give people with small hands the chance to have a .45. Just my .02 I like my .45GAP along with all my .45ACP pistols. |
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Was their this much controversy when the .357 Sig round came out from the .357 SW Mag fans???? Apples and Oranges. The sig was a hotrod auto round made to duplicate the ballistics of the 357 mag. The gap was glocks solution to their problem. A problem which not many other people even realize. Springfield tried it in their xd line but have dropped it. They dont put it in the xdm. Nobody except glock even chambers it anymore do they???? I am amazed it has stayed around this long |
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The GAP cartridge was intended to put a 45 cartridge with comparable ballistics to the acp in a Glock 9/40 sized pistol. The first Glock prototype of the GAP, the G37 was exactly the same size as the G17, both frame AND slide. Unfortunately, the earlier prototypes had reliability issues and Glocks solution was to go with a 45 acp slide which is now standard on all the GAP models.
The original intent of the GAP round was a good idea in my opinion in that people could use the same holsters as their 9 and 40 Glocks and have 45 performance without a larger pistol. Now, we've ended up with a Frankenstein. A 9/40 frame and a large 45 slide. If it wasn't for Glock doing this, I think the GAP would have had better success if it was built as it was originally designed. |
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the 357 sig was designed to duplicate 357 revolver performance in a semi-auto, a legitimate exercise. the 45gap was apparently invented to give small handed shooters the ability to shoot double stack 45., other manufatuers achieved this goal using standard 45acp without a problem. am i missing something in my question as to why it was needed? i'm not an avid 45acp shooter and have no axe to grind , just asking?
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Was their this much controversy when the .357 Sig round came out from the .357 SW Mag fans???? Apples and Oranges. The sig was a hotrod auto round made to duplicate the ballistics of the 357 mag. The gap was glocks solution to their problem. A problem which not many other people even realize. Springfield tried it in their xd line but have dropped it. They dont put it in the xdm. Nobody except glock even chambers it anymore do they???? I am amazed it has stayed around this long SA still makes the XD in 45GAP Here |
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i don't understand the reasoning behind the 45GAP , how does it improve on the 45ACP?The point of the GAP wasn't to be an improvement over the .45 ACP per say. It's point was to fit a .45 caliber cartridge into a 9mm sized gun. Size, meaning grip circumference. So people with smaller hangs could still comfortably shoot a double stack .45 caliber Glock. It didn't catch on. As he says. The idea was get to get 45 caliber performance into a 9mm sized gun. FWIW, it essentially does that with the lighter (200gr and 185gr) 45 caliber bullets. It has insufficient powder capacity for 230gr loads. Sorry but that's total bullshit. Winchester Ranger-T in .45 GAP pushes a 230gr JHP at 880 FPS. That's pretty much identical to .45 ACP numbers. The .45 GAP Ranger-T is law enforcement only as far as I can tell, but the moral of the story is, it's DEFINITELY possible to shoot 230gr in .45 GAP. I'm sure there are other 230gr loadings out there that are available to civilians. Read this link and look at the table there: http://home.comcast.net/~petej/45gap.45acp.plusp.htm And like others have said already, that's not even what the .45 GAP is meant to do. It's not meant to replace .45 ACP. It's meant to put as much firepower as possible into a package that fits in a regular 9mm-sized Glock frame, for those (like myself) who don't like the huge grip of the 20/21. And what pressure is LEO-only ammunition loaded to? I know that LEO only 9mm and 45 ACP ammo is routinely loaded in excess of SAAMI pressure specifications. One of the reasons why it's LEO only ammo is so someone doesn't sue when that overpowered ammo blows up their pistol. So, perhaps I should amend my statement. The 45 GAP doesn't have enough case capacity to safely match 45 ACP specs with 230gr bullets. What little load data I can find for 230gr GAP loads lists ~800fps or just under with pressures running to 20,000 to 21,000 PSI. One load from Winchester gets up to the nominal 850 fps you expect from 45 ACP 230gr Ball, and that's running to 21,900 PSI, very close to the maximum of 23,000 PSI, and that's an FMJ bullet. The same powder with a JHP only gets 805 fps with the same pressures. If you're pushing a 230gr JHP from a GAP case to 880 fps, you're exceeding SAAMI pressure limits, period, the end. If you want to do that, that's fine, but there's a very real and valid reason that Hodgdon and Alliant Powders don't list 230gr loads for the GAP. Police and armed civilians will use, at most, a magazine or two of overpressure LEO ammo in a self defense shooting. In a fairly new gun that's well made, that's OK. For routine shooting, it's good way to blow your face off. |
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Was their this much controversy when the .357 Sig round came out from the .357 SW Mag fans???? Apples and Oranges. The sig was a hotrod auto round made to duplicate the ballistics of the 357 mag. The gap was glocks solution to their problem. A problem which not many other people even realize. Springfield tried it in their xd line but have dropped it. They dont put it in the xdm. Nobody except glock even chambers it anymore do they???? I am amazed it has stayed around this long SA still makes the XD in 45GAP Here Are you sure they still make it? Springfield was the one that had huge close outs last year. Some of the xd's in GAP went for 300 bucks. I Checked 3 distributors and all of them only listed the Glock guns no Springfields |
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What possible sense would that make? It would shorten the grip (front to back)... making a smaller gun (even the chamber would be shorter, shrinking the gun more). Glock does make nice small guns to use with their pistols, but they are still pretty large when compared to what else is out there (I think they are nice just for the fact that if your 17 takes a round into the slide, you can put your remaining magazines into a 26). If they expanded the Slim-Line, they would be golden. Many on here have asked for single stacked guns, and I have no doubt that it would be the hottest gun in the next year. The GAP in a 1911 made for it does make the gun nicer for concealing. I just surprised that it hasn't been put into that platform on any large scale. |
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What possible sense would that make? It would shorten the grip (front to back)... making a smaller gun (even the chamber would be shorter, shrinking the gun more). Glock does make nice small guns to use with their pistols, but they are still pretty large when compared to what else is out there (I think they are nice just for the fact that if your 17 takes a round into the slide, you can put your remaining magazines into a 26). If they expanded the Slim-Line, they would be golden. Many on here have asked for single stacked guns, and I have no doubt that it would be the hottest gun in the next year. The GAP in a 1911 made for it does make the gun nicer for concealing. I just surprised that it hasn't been put into that platform on any large scale. That is what we have 40 for. The reason the gap hasnt and wont catch on is because you are talking about a complete re-design to save what? 1/10", 2/10" Springfield was the only other maker that gave it a fair shake. In addition to the XD's they made a dedicated 1911 micro in GAP(Dont know if they actually made it but they advertised it) They let it go too. As good as some people think it looks on paper there is a reason none of the big dogs are picking it up or keeping it. If not for the millions of dollars glock has dumped into this thing it would have been gone a long time ago. |
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Man I always love how much hate the .45GAP brings out in people it makes me laugh. It is almost like it threatens peoples man hood because people get so defensive.
Answer me this the people who do not like it. What is your actual problem with the cartridge? Set aside what you do not like and tell me exactly what is "wrong" with the cartridge: 1. Not accurate 2. Cannot kill/stop someone it shoots 3. Unreliable 4. Etc etc etc Other then you think it is useless, dead cartridge, you do not like Glock, it is a "solution for a problem that did not exist" give me an answer. My bet is no one can actually tell me that the cartridge has problems. Who cares if the cartridge is out it gives people another option and people who want a 45 Glock but cannot hold a G21 G21SF G30 G30SF G36. |
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What possible sense would that make? It would shorten the grip (front to back)... making a smaller gun (even the chamber would be shorter, shrinking the gun more). Glock does make nice small guns to use with their pistols, but they are still pretty large when compared to what else is out there (I think they are nice just for the fact that if your 17 takes a round into the slide, you can put your remaining magazines into a 26). If they expanded the Slim-Line, they would be golden. Many on here have asked for single stacked guns, and I have no doubt that it would be the hottest gun in the next year. The GAP in a 1911 made for it does make the gun nicer for concealing. I just surprised that it hasn't been put into that platform on any large scale. I might be wrong, but I had thought there was a few manufacturers chambering 1911s for the GAP. Maybe my memory is failing me. |
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Man I always love how much hate the .45GAP brings out in people it makes me laugh. It is almost like it threatens peoples man hood because people get so defensive. Answer me this the people who do not like it. What is your actual problem with the cartridge? Set aside what you do not like and tell me exactly what is "wrong" with the cartridge: 1. Not accurate 2. Cannot kill/stop someone it shoots 3. Unreliable 4. Etc etc etc Other then you think it is useless, dead cartridge, you do not like Glock, it is a "solution for a problem that did not exist" give me an answer. My bet is no one can actually tell me that the cartridge has problems. Who cares if the cartridge is out it gives people another option and people who want a 45 Glock but cannot hold a G21 G21SF G30 G30SF G36. I don't "hate" on the GAP. I always thought it was a neat cartridge. I just think that the market it's targeted towards is already saturated. The intent was to have more power than a 9mm in a 9mm size gun. 40 S&W is already firmly entrenched in that market. 45 GAP has a very steep hill to climb to displace a popular cartridge. |
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Man I always love how much hate the .45GAP brings out in people it makes me laugh. It is almost like it threatens peoples man hood because people get so defensive. Answer me this the people who do not like it. What is your actual problem with the cartridge? Set aside what you do not like and tell me exactly what is "wrong" with the cartridge: 1. Not accurate 2. Cannot kill/stop someone it shoots 3. Unreliable 4. Etc etc etc Other then you think it is useless, dead cartridge, you do not like Glock, it is a "solution for a problem that did not exist" give me an answer. My bet is no one can actually tell me that the cartridge has problems. Who cares if the cartridge is out it gives people another option and people who want a 45 Glock but cannot hold a G21 G21SF G30 G30SF G36. I don't "hate" on the GAP. I always thought it was a neat cartridge. I just think that the market it's targeted towards is already saturated. The intent was to have more power than a 9mm in a 9mm size gun. 40 S&W is already firmly entrenched in that market. 45 GAP has a very steep hill to climb to displace a popular cartridge. Does not have to displace a popular cartridge just give people another option. Works great for my mom she keeps my G37 in her Tahoe. She does not like the snap of the 40SW and she groups really well with my G37 plus she has a 45 so my dad sleeps better at night! |
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Man I always love how much hate the .45GAP brings out in people it makes me laugh. It is almost like it threatens peoples man hood because people get so defensive. Answer me this the people who do not like it. What is your actual problem with the cartridge? Set aside what you do not like and tell me exactly what is "wrong" with the cartridge: 1. Not accurate 2. Cannot kill/stop someone it shoots 3. Unreliable 4. Etc etc etc Other then you think it is useless, dead cartridge, you do not like Glock, it is a "solution for a problem that did not exist" give me an answer. My bet is no one can actually tell me that the cartridge has problems. Who cares if the cartridge is out it gives people another option and people who want a 45 Glock but cannot hold a G21 G21SF G30 G30SF G36. I don't "hate" on the GAP. I always thought it was a neat cartridge. I just think that the market it's targeted towards is already saturated. The intent was to have more power than a 9mm in a 9mm size gun. 40 S&W is already firmly entrenched in that market. 45 GAP has a very steep hill to climb to displace a popular cartridge. Does not have to displace a popular cartridge just give people another option. Works great for my mom she keeps my G37 in her Tahoe. She does not like the snap of the 40SW and she groups really well with my G37 plus she has a 45 so my dad sleeps better at night! You make it sound like since it works for your mom that it is the end all. Most everyone is saying the same thing. Regardless of how much you or anyone else like it doesnt change the fact that it is losing ground not gaining it. There are lots of wildcat rounds that are great like the ackley cartridges but many people dont feel the minor boost in performance is worth the extra work just like the GAP |
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Man I always love how much hate the .45GAP brings out in people it makes me laugh. It is almost like it threatens peoples man hood because people get so defensive. Answer me this the people who do not like it. What is your actual problem with the cartridge? Set aside what you do not like and tell me exactly what is "wrong" with the cartridge: 1. Not accurate 2. Cannot kill/stop someone it shoots 3. Unreliable 4. Etc etc etc Other then you think it is useless, dead cartridge, you do not like Glock, it is a "solution for a problem that did not exist" give me an answer. My bet is no one can actually tell me that the cartridge has problems. Who cares if the cartridge is out it gives people another option and people who want a 45 Glock but cannot hold a G21 G21SF G30 G30SF G36. I don't "hate" on the GAP. I always thought it was a neat cartridge. I just think that the market it's targeted towards is already saturated. The intent was to have more power than a 9mm in a 9mm size gun. 40 S&W is already firmly entrenched in that market. 45 GAP has a very steep hill to climb to displace a popular cartridge. Does not have to displace a popular cartridge just give people another option. Works great for my mom she keeps my G37 in her Tahoe. She does not like the snap of the 40SW and she groups really well with my G37 plus she has a 45 so my dad sleeps better at night! You make it sound like since it works for your mom that it is the end all. Most everyone is saying the same thing. Regardless of how much you or anyone else like it doesnt change the fact that it is losing ground not gaining it. There are lots of wildcat rounds that are great like the ackley cartridges but many people dont feel the minor boost in performance is worth the extra work just like the GAP I do not claim it to be end all just some people are so dogmatic about the market. I would not say it is gaining ground but it is not losing either. Many law enforcement agencies are picking it up several highway patrols also. See you also still have a misconception of the cartridge it was not designed for a boost in performance it was designed for people with small hands to use a 45. |
other mfgs seem to have no problem making double stack 45 acp fit small hands, this is fact!!!
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the GAP in and of its self. I've never owned one, but I have shot one. It was a nice shooting gun, reliable, accurate, etc. It didn't, however, do anything that any number of .45 ACP pistols don't do already. In addition to that issue, ammunition is not nearly as available locally as .45 ACP and even when it can be found its more expensive and offers a lot less in the way of choice than the ACP does. Yes, one can get ammunition on the internet for the GAP, but with what most sellers charge for shipping, its significantly more expensive than buying ammunition for the ACP locally.
The good news is that GAP brass is readily available on the net for cheap. The bad news is that the Glock GAP pistols are not well suited for handloads and all the other GAP pistols from other manufacturer(s?) are out of production. Even so, Bud's is offering the G37 for $379 shipped, which is a fantastic bargain. If one wants a GAP pistol, now is the time. If Glocks were better suited for cast lead handloads (traditional rifling and a fully supported chamber), I'd probably get one since it would be loaded with ACP dies. As of now the only use I can see for the GAP is in moon-clipped .45 ACP revolvers, the shorter GAP offering a possibly smoother reload. That is, of course, assuming the GAP rounds snap into and say in the moon clips. The GAP was intended to offer .45 ACP performance in a 9mm sized grip, the idea being that a double stack .45 high cap with a reasonable sized grip was what some folks wanted. However, since the GAP is a 10+1 and the huge majority of single stack ACP pistols are 8+1, does it really make sense to go to a completely different, less available cartridge for the gain of two rounds? If one really wants the two rounds, several other manufacturers offer 10+1 ACP pistols with grips roughly the same size as the G37's. |
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I would not say it is gaining ground but it is not losing either. What do you base that on. 2 years ago almost every big distributor carried the xd line in GAP but now they dont. Even the Glock guns they only stock a handful of. That is a lot of lost ground if you ask me. |
45GAP seems like a solution in search of a problem. ballistically nothing wrong with it that ican see.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the GAP in and of its self. I've never owned one, but I have shot one. It was a nice shooting gun, reliable, accurate, etc. It didn't, however, do anything that any number of .45 ACP pistols don't do already. In addition to that issue, ammunition is not nearly as available locally as .45 ACP and even when it can be found its more expensive and offers a lot less in the way of choice than the ACP does. Yes, one can get ammunition on the internet for the GAP, but with what most sellers charge for shipping, its significantly more expensive than buying ammunition for the ACP locally. The good news is that GAP brass is readily available on the net for cheap. The bad news is that the Glock GAP pistols are not well suited for handloads and all the other GAP pistols from other manufacturer(s?) are out of production. Even so, Bud's is offering the G37 for $379 shipped, which is a fantastic bargain. If one wants a GAP pistol, now is the time. If Glocks were better suited for cast lead handloads (traditional rifling and a fully supported chamber), I'd probably get one since it would be loaded with ACP dies. As of now the only use I can see for the GAP is in moon-clipped .45 ACP revolvers, the shorter GAP offering a possibly smoother reload. That is, of course, assuming the GAP rounds snap into and say in the moon clips. The GAP was intended to offer .45 ACP performance in a 9mm sized grip, the idea being that a double stack .45 high cap with a reasonable sized grip was what some folks wanted. However, since the GAP is a 10+1 and the huge majority of single stack ACP pistols are 8+1, does it really make sense to go to a completely different, less available cartridge for the gain of two rounds? If one really wants the two rounds, several other manufacturers offer 10+1 ACP pistols with grips roughly the same size as the G37's. I've reloaded thousands of 45 GAP with no problems at all! all the way up to 230gr bullets. Please tell me the problem. |
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Was their this much controversy when the .357 Sig round came out from the .357 SW Mag fans???? Apples and Oranges. The sig was a hotrod auto round made to duplicate the ballistics of the 357 mag. The gap was glocks solution to their problem. A problem which not many other people even realize. Springfield tried it in their xd line but have dropped it. They dont put it in the xdm. Nobody except glock even chambers it anymore do they???? I am amazed it has stayed around this long SA still makes the XD in 45GAP Here springfield armory discontinued the GAP XD a while ago. they just haven't updated their site. call them to verify. |
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Was their this much controversy when the .357 Sig round came out from the .357 SW Mag fans???? Apples and Oranges. The sig was a hotrod auto round made to duplicate the ballistics of the 357 mag. The gap was glocks solution to their problem. A problem which not many other people even realize. Springfield tried it in their xd line but have dropped it. They dont put it in the xdm. Nobody except glock even chambers it anymore do they???? I am amazed it has stayed around this long SA still makes the XD in 45GAP Here springfield armory discontinued the GAP XD a while ago. they just haven't updated their site. call them to verify. That is what I thought but wasnt sure |
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the GAP in and of its self. I've never owned one, but I have shot one. It was a nice shooting gun, reliable, accurate, etc. It didn't, however, do anything that any number of .45 ACP pistols don't do already. In addition to that issue, ammunition is not nearly as available locally as .45 ACP and even when it can be found its more expensive and offers a lot less in the way of choice than the ACP does. Yes, one can get ammunition on the internet for the GAP, but with what most sellers charge for shipping, its significantly more expensive than buying ammunition for the ACP locally. The good news is that GAP brass is readily available on the net for cheap. The bad news is that the Glock GAP pistols are not well suited for handloads and all the other GAP pistols from other manufacturer(s?) are out of production. Even so, Bud's is offering the G37 for $379 shipped, which is a fantastic bargain. If one wants a GAP pistol, now is the time. If Glocks were better suited for cast lead handloads (traditional rifling and a fully supported chamber), I'd probably get one since it would be loaded with ACP dies. As of now the only use I can see for the GAP is in moon-clipped .45 ACP revolvers, the shorter GAP offering a possibly smoother reload. That is, of course, assuming the GAP rounds snap into and say in the moon clips. The GAP was intended to offer .45 ACP performance in a 9mm sized grip, the idea being that a double stack .45 high cap with a reasonable sized grip was what some folks wanted. However, since the GAP is a 10+1 and the huge majority of single stack ACP pistols are 8+1, does it really make sense to go to a completely different, less available cartridge for the gain of two rounds? If one really wants the two rounds, several other manufacturers offer 10+1 ACP pistols with grips roughly the same size as the G37's. I've reloaded thousands of 45 GAP with no problems at all! all the way up to 230gr bullets. Please tell me the problem. There isn't one, until there is. The GAP suffers from the same problem that all the non 9x19 Glocks suffer from to one extent or another, lack of chamber support at the 6 o'clock position. There are plenty of documented case failures (most involving reloaded cases) where the case blows out in the unsupported area. Sometimes that causes minor injury or damage, sometimes its just a surprise. It seems to be most common in the .40 S&W guns, the one I experienced was with factory remanufactured ammunition in a G22, but it has happened with the .45 ACP models as well. Since the GAP operates at slightly higher pressure than the .45 ACP, its at least in theory possible with the GAP also. I haven't seen any examples of the GAP kabooming, but that might just be because it not very popular. Its generally accepted as conventional wisdom that one shouldn't use lead bullets in polygonal rifling. Some folks claim its OK, others say not to. I don't see any reason to take the chance, given that it doesn't do anything the ACP doesn't do anyway. If it had full chamber support and traditional rifling, I might give it a try. SInce it doesn't, why bother? |
| As it was explained to me in my Glock armorer’s class by our instructor.......45 Gap is shorter allowing it to fit into a smaller grip. Also the base of the brass was beefed up to withstand higher pressures. According to y instructor the .45GAP is loaded to an equivalent of a .45ACP +P+ for more power. In addition the .45GAP can be marketed in other countries that do not allow private citizens to own firearms in military calibers (i.e. .45acp) |