Posted: 3/3/2009 3:19:33 PM EDT
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I have a love/hate relationship with 45's. They feel good and I can usually shoot them well, but every one that I have ever had has some issue. They are accurate, but don't function reliably, or they function but shoot like crap. Or both. I hate spending more money on one at a gunsmith when I can buy glock, M&P, etc, that works fine for less money. The problem is anything else is not a 45. My current issue is a functioning Auto Ordnance that shoots about 2 feet low. Fixed sights. I actually like the sights, they are nice 3-dot, high visibility. I have been shooting some IDPA lately and I would like to shoot the 45 but I'm not sure I could make a headshot with the gun. (my 9mm ar24 works fine) I have looked for some adj sights that I could mount myself but it seems like a crapshoot if I can find some to fit the dovetail on the slide. I could also mill down the front sight, but there again it would be pure trial and error getting the height right. I know I am whining, but any ideas?
Thanks Tim S. |
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Dare I suggest you mention your phobia as a "1911" one & not just a ".45" one? After all, there are dozens of .45's out there that are non-1911's.
And for the record, most 1911's that are above the Auto Ordnance level of quality seem to run just fine with proper cleaning & lube. 
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Dare I suggest you mention your phobia as a "1911" one & not just a ".45" one? After all, there are dozens of .45's out there that are non-1911's. And for the record, most 1911's that are above the Auto Ordnance level of quality seem to run just fine with proper cleaning & lube. |
Are you talking about 1911's? I have spent over $10,000 on high end 1911's and never had one that was reliable, so I guess welcome to the club.
Reliable .45's include the Smith and Wesson 4506, 4566, M&P, HK, Sig and Glocks to name a few......the 1911 is not a member of the "reliable" club.  
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It's great how people can take their own limited exerience and label and entire category of handgun as "unreliable".
My experiences with 1911s (a Kimber and a pair of Colts) has been exactly the opposite. They all ran flawlessly and accurately right out of the box, with all kinds of ammo and all kinds of magazines... |
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Are you talking about 1911's? I have spent over $10,000 on high end 1911's and never had one that was reliable, so I guess welcome to the club.
Reliable .45's include the Smith and Wesson 4506, 4566, M&P, HK, Sig and Glocks to name a few......the 1911 is not a member of the "reliable" club. Funny, weren't you trashing the reliability of one of your Sig 45s a few months back? Ooops... |
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Are you talking about 1911's? I have spent over $10,000 on high end 1911's and never had one that was reliable, so I guess welcome to the club.
Reliable .45's include the Smith and Wesson 4506, 4566, M&P, HK, Sig and Glocks to name a few......the 1911 is not a member of the "reliable" club. Funny, weren't you trashing the reliability of one of your Sig 45s a few months back? Ooops... Yes I was and I still am. I should have stated older Sigs(German made). I also know there are reliable 1911's and I'm just poking fun hence the smiley faces. I had really bad luck with 1911's and even had a few highly regarded smiths work a few over with piss poor results. If I could have a guarantee that a 1911 would work I'd be the 1st to buy it. After investing over $10K on them and only getting problems I can't justify buying another with out knowing it will be 100% reliable. |
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I guess I've been lucky. I've had 4 Kimbers. 2 gave me zero problems (the 45s). 1 gave me feeding problems unless I used quality magazines (Tripps, and it was a 10mm). No problems with Tripps. 1 gave me extraction problems (a 9mm), so I looked up how to replace an extractor on the internet and put in an Ed Brown. No problems since. Oh, I did try tuning the extractor, but the stock Kimber piece was trash, once I compared it with the Ed Brown.
I have one of the 45s and the 9mm. I sold the other 2 only because they were Eclipse models and I didn't like them as much as I thought I would from looking at them in pictures or in the store. I carry the 45 and the 9 interchangeably. Great handguns. ~1k through the 9mm since I bought it a month or two ago, 700 since extractor swap. Well over 5k 45 and 3k 22 through the 45, it's been cleaned exactly twice in its life. I would take either one over my 220Rs (SAO and DA/SA) or G21SF. But I will admit that 1911s are enthusiast pistols and you should be able to do a certain amount of work yourself. Tomorrow UPS will drop off all the parts I need to finish my STI frame and slide. |
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I've probably owned at least eight 1911's over the years. Not a single one of them was reliable with any ammo except full power FMJ ball (which of course is what they were designed for) right out of the box. Since the last one (a Kimber), about 5 years ago, I've pretty much given up on them as a waste of time, money and ammo. I've been tempted from time to time, but I keep remembering what PITA it was to get them to run with good personal defense ammo, sending them back, tuning extractors, just to have the one round I could get to run good through one discontinued by the manufacturer and find it won't run the replacement. |
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For the record, I had posted this in the 1911 forum, so yes I was talking about 1911's. And the one I am having problems with does function reliably, just shoots incredibly low. At 25 yards it does not even hit paper.
That said, I am glad that I am not the only one with mostly crappy experiences with the 1911. They just feel so good in my hand. I keep buying another one after giving up on one, then getting dissapointed again. My glock works fine, but has no soul, like a shovel. |
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I've probably owned at least eight 1911's over the years. Not a single one of them was reliable with any ammo except full power FMJ ball (which of course is what they were designed for) right out of the box. Since the last one (a Kimber), about 5 years ago, I've pretty much given up on them as a waste of time, money and ammo. I've been tempted from time to time, but I keep remembering what PITA it was to get them to run with good personal defense ammo, sending them back, tuning extractors, just to have the one round I could get to run good through one discontinued by the manufacturer and find it won't run the replacement. My Custom II (45) cycles Ranger T, HST, Ranger bonded, Federal tactical bonded, Speer Gold Dot, DPX, XTP, and, uh...hydra shok...with not a single failure. My Stainless II (9mm) cycles HST, Ranger T, Ranger bonded, Hydra-Shok, Gold Dot, and some old Federal bonded, with not a single failure. Only hollowpoints I put through my 10mm were Silvertips and XTPs but they worked fine (as long as I used Tripp magazines). I guess I am just lucky, minor problems like replacing one extractor and buying good mags, the end result is more than worth it. And I believe I've posted photos of the filthy and still shooting Custom II quite a few times on these forums. |
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For the record, I had posted this in the 1911 forum, so yes I was talking about 1911's. And the one I am having problems with does function reliably, just shoots incredibly low. At 25 yards it does not even hit paper. That said, I am glad that I am not the only one with mostly crappy experiences with the 1911. They just feel so good in my hand. I keep buying another one after giving up on one, then getting dissapointed again. My glock works fine, but has no soul, like a shovel. No offense, but you only had 5 posts. Many of us needed some time to learn how the different forums flowed and/or worked, goodness knows *I* did. Ditto for using proper firearm verbiage and/or slang. Frankly, I'm STILL learning. 
However, back to your issue(s). Might I ask what brand your 1911 is, please? Just as in tools, cars & trucks, not all brands are equal in quality & performance. As usual, one normally one gets what one pays for. There are exceptions, of course. You mention shooting way low. Have you dry fired the gun empty to see if you're possibly pulling down on the trigger? If you also shoot a Glock, you might be using a bit more pressure on the 1911 trigger than is needed? |
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Dare I suggest you mention your phobia as a "1911" one & not just a ".45" one? After all, there are dozens of .45's out there that are non-1911's. And for the record, most 1911's that are above the Auto Ordnance level of quality seem to run just fine with proper cleaning & lube. Ah, I have two AO's that run, but both are more sloppy and don't run as well as my Colt Mk IV Model 80. (Yeah, the one a lot of prople don't like) No doubt the Colt is bettet quality. |
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Dare I suggest you mention your phobia as a "1911" one & not just a ".45" one? After all, there are dozens of .45's out there that are non-1911's. And for the record, most 1911's that are above the Auto Ordnance level of quality seem to run just fine with proper cleaning & lube. Ah, I have two AO's that run, but both are more sloppy and don't run as well as my Colt Mk IV Model 80. (Yeah, the one a lot of prople don't like) No doubt the Colt is bettet quality. I happen to like my Gov Mod ser 80 colt,of course it has a barrel bushing that fits up tight! I also have a Thompson 10 mil , you know the same people from spain that made the investment castings that produced the original Tommy Guns! They were cast in Spain and machined by Caspian arms,and assembled in New Hurley (thats right the Tommy guns)and they made some real nice Thompson Auto Ordinance pistols. If you got bad one then maybe that was a toss of the coin,mine is good. I was shooting at a one quart dirt worm cup at 40 feet ,and took many misses untill I could roll it! You could have no sights at all and walk a round onto target (then you could hit from then on)think of shooting a shot-gun you dont aim . Take your magazine out (check your gun make sure its unloaded)lock the slide back ,and with the slide back see if you have lots of up and down movement in your barrell and barrell bushing! A tight fit bushing makes an accurate gun! Bob
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Tim, Are your primers hit in the center? If not mark a shell and load it mark up. Fire it and see where the firing pin hits it. Having sights that far off on a factory produced gun would make me suspect
of barrel fitting. Unlikely they installed the wrong front and or rear sights. |
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For the record, I had posted this in the 1911 forum, so yes I was talking about 1911's. And the one I am having problems with does function reliably, just shoots incredibly low. At 25 yards it does not even hit paper. That said, I am glad that I am not the only one with mostly crappy experiences with the 1911. They just feel so good in my hand. I keep buying another one after giving up on one, then getting dissapointed again. My glock works fine, but has no soul, like a shovel. Sometimes the shovel is the best tool. |
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Are you talking about 1911's? I have spent over $10,000 on high end 1911's and never had one that was reliable, so I guess welcome to the club.
Reliable .45's include the Smith and Wesson 4506, 4566, M&P, HK, Sig and Glocks to name a few......the 1911 is not a member of the "reliable" club. Funny, weren't you trashing the reliability of one of your Sig 45s a few months back? Ooops... Yes I was and I still am. I should have stated older Sigs(German made). I also know there are reliable 1911's and I'm just poking fun hence the smiley faces. I had really bad luck with 1911's and even had a few highly regarded smiths work a few over with piss poor results. If I could have a guarantee that a 1911 would work I'd be the 1st to buy it. After investing over $10K on them and only getting problems I can't justify buying another with out knowing it will be 100% reliable. Were they broke before you sent them off to the smith? I haven't spent much time around 1911's, and none around non production 1911's....but the one I currently own(a $540ish Springer Micro) and the $330 Rock Island I have were both reliable with good mags and proper ammo. I actually haven't seen one yet that failed for any reason other than bad/dirty mags or ammo. 
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