Posted: 3/10/2016 6:21:32 PM EDT
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Trying to decide between a 460 and a 500 big ass revolver.
I like the 460 because it fires 460, 454, and 45LC. I like the 500... because it's just so damn powerful. Either way this would be an open carry backwoods sidearm. |
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To be honest I would go for neither.
They are cartoonishly large. Their weight is not something that I want grinding into my hip at the mid point of a 14 mile backpacking loop in the backcountry. While there is a cool factor for some, and I shot a shitload of rounds through a couple of .500s that were sent out to an industry friend (we actually hunted jackrabbits with them), the novelty wore off quick. Personally I find a much more compact N Frame in .44 or .45 far more portable, practical, and shootable. But with all that said, if it scratches an itch, it does not matter what other think. Do what makes ya happy while you are above ground. |
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To be honest I would go for neither. They are cartoonishly large. Their weight is not something that I want grinding into my hip at the mid point of a 14 mile backpacking loop in the backcountry. While there is a cool factor for some, and I shot a shitload of rounds through a couple of .500s that were sent out to an industry friend (we actually hunted jackrabbits with them), the novelty wore off quick. Personally I find a much more compact N Frame in .44 or .45 far more portable, practical, and shootable. But with all that said, if it scratches an itch, it does not matter what other think. Do what makes ya happy while you are above ground. I'm a tall, fat man. Cartoonishly large tends to be "just right" for me 
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| Voted 460 but that was the only one I have any experience with. It was a friend's scoped gun and I was ringing some small plates 100 yds out with boring regularly after a couple rounds. The fact you could shoot cheaper 45 Colt ammo would be a plus. Don't get me wrong, would like to have both one day.... |
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Trying to decide between a 460 and a 500 big ass revolver. I like the 460 because it fires 460, 454, and 45LC. I like the 500... because it's just so damn powerful. Either way this would be an open carry backwoods sidearm. My good friend has probably the second largest X-Frame revolver collections in the country. Maybe the world. He has some 500s but the large part are .460. He is an ATF trained firearms analyst in a state run crime lab. He says the ballistics all around are just better balanced on the 460. He is a guy that researches to death anything he likes, and dives head first. Hence the large collection of the big bores. 460 is how i would go. |
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I've owned the 460V (5" barrel) and was not enammered with the concussion wave. It was a lot like standing 10 yards away from a stick of dynamite when it goes off.
The actual recoil was not too bad, but the muzzle blast was stout enough it felt as if you're being punched in the face. To illustrate just how loud and obnoxious the muzzle blast is, I'll share a story. One afternoon I was shooting my Glock 22 behind my house. Then I decided to break out the 460 V with Hornady factory 200 gr. FTX rounds. I was standing about 30 yards away from the house, shooting in the opposite direction from the house. My wife had been taking a nap the whole time I was shooting the Glock, until I touched off the first round from the 460. About half a second later she came screaming out the back door in a panic, asking if I was alright. Seemingly she thought I had hit a gas line or something explosive out in the woods and thought I was toast. She said she could feel the house shake, plus the report was about 4 times as loud. I later sold it off because it just wasn't enjoyable to shoot with the full boar 460 loads. However, I would love to own a 4 inch 500 SW mag. |
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I went with the 460 though I own no X-frames. I like the versatility it has over the 500 and as I reload, it would be a better option to power up or down with the 45/454/460 combination.
I've no practical reason for it but would I want one? Sure as a back-up if I was ever in dangerous game areas and as a something to have to continue rounding out my collection, probably in the 5" range. Would it see the light of day? Not often if at all. |
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I have the 500 but if I were to do it again I would get the 500. Biggest and baddest. Let's be honest - who's going to shoot depowered wimpy stuff through an X frame? What's the point? It's like buying a Hellcat and then only using the black fob. Go big or go home. 500 all the way. I shoot two flavors - a 350-grain slug screaming at just under 2000 FPS (3000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy), and a 700-grain slug at a little over 1000 FPS (TKO of 53.8). ETA: I have an Uncle Mikes bandolier holster for it. I've done a few hikes with it, and it's suprisingly comfortable. Mine is the 8 3/8" barrel, with a scope, weighing 96 oz empty. |
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My 460V is much louder then my 7.5" AR pistol in fact neighors compared it to a cannon being fired nobody batted a eye until the 460 came out. But I agonized over a 500 as well but decided to stay with 460 and have a 460 3.5" on layaway another good option.
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I'm still so torn because good arguments have been made for both. Some have said it's loud? Louder than an SBR or a SCAR-17 with the factory brake? |
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My 460V is much louder then my 7.5" AR pistol in fact neighors compared it to a cannon being fired nobody batted a eye until the 460 came out. But I agonized over a 500 as well but decided to stay with 460 and have a 460 3.5" on layaway another good option. Quoted:
My 460V is much louder then my 7.5" AR pistol in fact neighors compared it to a cannon being fired nobody batted a eye until the 460 came out. But I agonized over a 500 as well but decided to stay with 460 and have a 460 3.5" on layaway another good option. Quoted:
I'm still so torn because good arguments have been made for both. Some have said it's loud? Louder than an SBR or a SCAR-17 with the factory brake? Goddamn... That kinda makes me want one more, now
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| I would say neither. I would get a 454 casull in a normal size revolver, like a ruger, taurus, or freedom arms.The x frame is too big, almost cartoonist big.If a 454, won't kill it, it ain't suppose to die.I think the 460 is actually a scam.I am willing to bet, a 454 would push those lighter 200 grain bullets just.about as fast as a 460, and do it with alot less powder, and muzzle blast. |
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It is truely awesome I am sure the compensator is the culprit on the 460v I have heard of sleeves that people have gotten on the S&W forum to do away with the compensators but I don't think they make them anymore. I guess in comparison I shot 329ak backpacker with 300gr GA arms deer stoppers the 7.5" AR pistol with 55gr bullets and a 45-70 guide gun with 325gr Hornady ammo with foam earplugs all acceptable.
I fired the 200gr hornady 460 round and it was uncomfortably loud with just foam plugs I had to use foam and peltors then it was good in a life or death situation I would take being deaf over dead which I am guessing might happen without any ear pro lol. The 460 leaves me in awe but it is versatile I wanted the 500 but caliber choice and really is it going to matter at this level get hit by a 460 or a 500 the effect is going to be DOA  I like this pic 300gr 44 mag 460 200gr for comparison and pics are cool 
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My 460V is much louder then my 7.5" AR pistol in fact neighors compared it to a cannon being fired nobody batted a eye until the 460 came out. But I agonized over a 500 as well but decided to stay with 460 and have a 460 3.5" on layaway another good option. Quoted:
I'm still so torn because good arguments have been made for both. Some have said it's loud? Louder than an SBR or a SCAR-17 with the factory brake? Goddamn... That kinda makes me want one more, now |
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Is that 700gr? yeah but let's see the 500 shoot out to 200yards vs the 460. I have read that the 4" 500 won't stabilize 600 or 700gr T-rex killers. I think a 6" 500 would be cool perfect barrel length for that caliber. I still like the 460 though. Quoted:
Here's why you get a 500... http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/variseal/700%20grains_zpsn7larngg.jpg |
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Is that 700gr? yeah but let's see the 500 shoot out to 200yards vs the 460. I have read that the 4" 500 won't stabilize 600 or 700gr T-rex killers. I think a 6" 500 would be cool perfect barrel length for that caliber. I still like the 460 though.
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Is that 700gr? yeah but let's see the 500 shoot out to 200yards vs the 460. I have read that the 4" 500 won't stabilize 600 or 700gr T-rex killers. I think a 6" 500 would be cool perfect barrel length for that caliber. I still like the 460 though. Quoted:
Here's why you get a 500... http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/variseal/700%20grains_zpsn7larngg.jpg The 350-grain screamers are surprisingly accurate at distance. Biggest challenge is fighting the flinch. This is a 5-shot group at 50 yards. I flinched 3 times. 
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Nice job I still flinch its hard to control good shooting. I like the 500 for sure ones the most powerful the other is the fastest choose your poison Quoted:
The 350-grain screamers are surprisingly accurate at distance. Biggest challenge is fighting the flinch. This is a 5-shot group at 50 yards. I flinched 3 times. http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/variseal/500target.jpg Quoted:
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Is that 700gr? yeah but let's see the 500 shoot out to 200yards vs the 460. I have read that the 4" 500 won't stabilize 600 or 700gr T-rex killers. I think a 6" 500 would be cool perfect barrel length for that caliber. I still like the 460 though. Quoted:
Here's why you get a 500... http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/variseal/700%20grains_zpsn7larngg.jpg The 350-grain screamers are surprisingly accurate at distance. Biggest challenge is fighting the flinch. This is a 5-shot group at 50 yards. I flinched 3 times. http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/variseal/500target.jpg |
If you want to risk permenant hearing loss or lousing finger tips if someone stupid puts their fingers in front of the cylinder while trying to hold it with two hands then get it. I had a 460vxr and it was very accurate but so loud and the fireball that it emited from around the forcing cone so big that the novelty wore off quick.
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After shooting the 500 really didn't like it and ended up getting the 460. Got the 460 as a back up for my muzzle loader.
The 460 is designed for 200 yd shots and if the deer is at 250 yds hold in the same spot as 200 and the drop is still in the kill zone. Now if I can just find someone to shoot it that far for me.. It really has a nice blast and flame. The 200 gr recoil is very manageable and a hell of blast. Normally I shoot the 240 gr XTP Mag around 2250 fps it kicks a little more than the 200 gr. but are very economical for range blasting. 200 FTX being pushed by 52.5 grs of H110 
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If you want to risk permenant hearing loss or lousing finger tips if someone stupid puts their fingers in front of the cylinder while trying to hold it with two hands then get it. I had a 460vxr and it was very accurate but so loud and the fireball that it emited from around the forcing cone so big that the novelty wore off quick. Sounds like somebody wasn't wearing his big-boy pants. Doubling up (plugs and muffs) is pretty obviously a necessity when shooting these cannons. And the few times I've shot it at an indoor range, I've given the other shooters a heads up when I'm getting ready to shoot. Even with the warning, I generally still end up by myself. The cylinder of an X-frame is 2 1/4" long. Unless you have 3-jointed fingers or are holding the revolver in a seriously unconventional way, you're not going to have to worry about flame cutting any extremeties. Heck, my fingertip barely makes it to the end of the cylinder on a .357 revolver. |
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500. The "versatility" of the 460 / ammo really does not interest me and I never have fired 38's in any of my 357's so go figure. I can load the 500 up or down and cast 600 grain slugs fired at non-magnm speed has tons of power. Roll your own shot shells and you can really clear snakes off a path. The 460 has its place but the 500 is still the "big boy" . <a href="http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/jkh62/media/NCM_0016_zpsax8gp8ry.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w560/jkh62/NCM_0016_zpsax8gp8ry.jpg</a> <a href="http://s645.photobucket.com/user/cal50/media/Smith%20500/sidebyside_zps2584f985.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu178/cal50/Smith%20500/sidebyside_zps2584f985.jpg</a> What is the story on the last gun? |
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500. The "versatility" of the 460 / ammo really does not interest me and I never have fired 38's in any of my 357's so go figure. I can load the 500 up or down and cast 600 grain slugs fired at non-magnm speed has tons of power. Roll your own shot shells and you can really clear snakes off a path. The 460 has its place but the 500 is still the "big boy" . <a href="http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/jkh62/media/NCM_0016_zpsax8gp8ry.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w560/jkh62/NCM_0016_zpsax8gp8ry.jpg</a> <a href="http://s645.photobucket.com/user/cal50/media/Smith%20500/sidebyside_zps2584f985.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu178/cal50/Smith%20500/sidebyside_zps2584f985.jpg</a> What is the story on the last gun? It was a DIY project. One of my 500's had a larger than I liked barrel / cylinder gap and I wanted a shorter barrel gun without the comp so I rolled my own. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_33/138167_Shortening_the_barrel_on_the_SandW_500_magnum_____.html |
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I'm still so torn because good arguments have been made for both. Some have said it's loud? Louder than an SBR or a SCAR-17 with the factory brake? Certainly louder than a 10.5" barreled AR I can attest too. Plus, when shooting the .460 and those factory Hornady XTP rounds... they split our hands open from the recoil if we didn't wear gloves, (was cold outside.) They are the rounds that are rated at 2100fps I believe. After a cylinder or so full I put the bitch down. And I'm not very recoil sensitive. I voted for the 500 however. |
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Certainly louder than a 10.5" barreled AR I can attest too. Plus, when shooting the .460 and those factory Hornady XTP rounds... they split our hands open from the recoil if we didn't wear gloves, (was cold outside.) They are the rounds that are rated at 2100fps I believe. After a cylinder or so full I put the bitch down. And I'm not very recoil sensitive. I voted for the 500 however. Quoted:
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I'm still so torn because good arguments have been made for both. Some have said it's loud? Louder than an SBR or a SCAR-17 with the factory brake? Certainly louder than a 10.5" barreled AR I can attest too. Plus, when shooting the .460 and those factory Hornady XTP rounds... they split our hands open from the recoil if we didn't wear gloves, (was cold outside.) They are the rounds that are rated at 2100fps I believe. After a cylinder or so full I put the bitch down. And I'm not very recoil sensitive. I voted for the 500 however. Alright, I ordered the 460 after reading this thread. I figured I can be a girly man and shoot the 454 if I'm not man enough to handle the 460
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good choice what one you get I have the 460V and a 460 3.5" on layaway I went the 460 bone collector as well you made a great choice
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Alright, I ordered the 460 after reading this thread. I figured I can be a girly man and shoot the 454 if I'm not man enough to handle the 460 Quoted:
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I'm still so torn because good arguments have been made for both. Some have said it's loud? Louder than an SBR or a SCAR-17 with the factory brake? Certainly louder than a 10.5" barreled AR I can attest too. Plus, when shooting the .460 and those factory Hornady XTP rounds... they split our hands open from the recoil if we didn't wear gloves, (was cold outside.) They are the rounds that are rated at 2100fps I believe. After a cylinder or so full I put the bitch down. And I'm not very recoil sensitive. I voted for the 500 however. Alright, I ordered the 460 after reading this thread. I figured I can be a girly man and shoot the 454 if I'm not man enough to handle the 460 |
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Alright, I ordered the 460 after reading this thread. I figured I can be a girly man and shoot the 454 if I'm not man enough to handle the 460 Quoted:
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I'm still so torn because good arguments have been made for both. Some have said it's loud? Louder than an SBR or a SCAR-17 with the factory brake? Certainly louder than a 10.5" barreled AR I can attest too. Plus, when shooting the .460 and those factory Hornady XTP rounds... they split our hands open from the recoil if we didn't wear gloves, (was cold outside.) They are the rounds that are rated at 2100fps I believe. After a cylinder or so full I put the bitch down. And I'm not very recoil sensitive. I voted for the 500 however. Alright, I ordered the 460 after reading this thread. I figured I can be a girly man and shoot the 454 if I'm not man enough to handle the 460 That is what I would do whenever I wanted to go light, fill it with .454 Casull loads... Which are FAR from weak sauce coming out of a barrel length of 4 inches or more... When you do load it with full house .460's though, go with THESE heavy weight rounds from Buffalo Bore and leave that damned 200 grain Hornady XTP alone. |