Posted: 1/16/2014 6:17:12 PM EDT
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Senate just passed restaurant carry, house passed it last year 100-12.
Restaurants can put up signs though, and bars probably will, since people that can't drink legally are just taking up space, but it's still a step in the right direction. http://www.wyff4.com/news/columbia-statewide-news/sc-senate-approves-concealed-guns-in-restaurants/-/9324106/23965732/-/o2ekhp/-/index.html?absolute=true |
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ETA: Never mind - I found it on page 10 of the document I linked to below
The info here does not cite such restaurants as off limits. Oops! 
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How about honoring my Georgia CCW? Grew up in SC and still have a lot of family there. Really ticks me off. SC requires a class, and doesn't recognize states that don't require a class. What ticks me off is that GA won't recognize SC's CWP, even though our requirements exceed theirs. BTW, there is another national reciprocity bill in the works. |
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SC requires a class, and doesn't recognize states that don't require a class. What ticks me off is that GA won't recognize SC's CWP, even though our requirements exceed theirs. BTW, there is another national reciprocity bill in the works. Quoted:
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How about honoring my Georgia CCW? Grew up in SC and still have a lot of family there. Really ticks me off. SC requires a class, and doesn't recognize states that don't require a class. What ticks me off is that GA won't recognize SC's CWP, even though our requirements exceed theirs. BTW, there is another national reciprocity bill in the works. NC requires a class yet honors GA permit. Frankly that chickenshit stuff right there but yes, GA should honor SC. |
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NC requires a class yet honors GA permit. Frankly that chickenshit stuff right there but yes, GA should honor SC. Quoted:
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How about honoring my Georgia CCW? Grew up in SC and still have a lot of family there. Really ticks me off. SC requires a class, and doesn't recognize states that don't require a class. What ticks me off is that GA won't recognize SC's CWP, even though our requirements exceed theirs. BTW, there is another national reciprocity bill in the works. NC requires a class yet honors GA permit. Frankly that chickenshit stuff right there but yes, GA should honor SC. GA refuses to honor any state that will not honor theirs. I am not really sure how I feel about that really. |
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GA refuses to honor any state that will not honor theirs. I am not really sure how I feel about that really. Quoted:
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How about honoring my Georgia CCW? Grew up in SC and still have a lot of family there. Really ticks me off. SC requires a class, and doesn't recognize states that don't require a class. What ticks me off is that GA won't recognize SC's CWP, even though our requirements exceed theirs. BTW, there is another national reciprocity bill in the works. NC requires a class yet honors GA permit. Frankly that chickenshit stuff right there but yes, GA should honor SC. GA refuses to honor any state that will not honor theirs. I am not really sure how I feel about that really. Yeah, I don't like it either but there is no reason for SC to not honor GA's. As I said, NC's is and they also require a class so SC has the hang-up. |
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How about honoring my Georgia CCW? Grew up in SC and still have a lot of family there. Really ticks me off. SC requires a class, and doesn't recognize states that don't require a class. What ticks me off is that GA won't recognize SC's CWP, even though our requirements exceed theirs. BTW, there is another national reciprocity bill in the works. NC requires a class yet honors GA permit. Frankly that chickenshit stuff right there but yes, GA should honor SC. GA refuses to honor any state that will not honor theirs. I am not really sure how I feel about that really. As it should be. The whole concept of reciprocity requires that each party extends the same courtesy to the other party's citizens. |
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GA needs a class requirement and then everybody is happy. .. except for GA residents that will have to take said class.  When I lived in NC, I had to take the class (which is a joke,) for my permit. The requirement for a class wouldn't necessarily disturb me but lets be honest here, it's not the Art of Tactical Handgun. Has it stopped people in SC from having ND or improper gun handling? I would point out that nowhere does the 2nd say Shall not be infringed (as long as you have a certification class.) I'm on record saying GA should accept SC but SC needs to get the stick out of it's ass; don't try excusing it. |
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Here's the counterpoint to that.
In NC there is a question on the written test to the effect of "If someone is trespassing on your property or in your house, you can shoot them after telling them to leave three times." We sort of saw this operationalizing as "GET OUT! GET OUT! GET OUT! BLAM!". What they are looking for here is the applied reasoning that absent an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm, or someone trying to remove you from your house, car or property, just being in your house or on your property isn't a justification for the use of deadly force. (NC is only a limited castle doctrine state, and that's also part of the knowledge they are testing for.) It's pretty simple, and it's covered in the lecture, yet most classes seem to have at least one person who thinks "GET OUT! GET OUT! GET OUT! BLAM!" is going to be sufficient. The discussion of the exam questions people miss is often where the learning occurs as failure is actually one of the stronger modes of learning. So there is some value in having a fairly simple, but common sense test where some abstract thinking is required to apply the concepts. Some folks will get some of the key points on the critical elements of the proper use of deadly force wrong and need to discuss them further to understand them enough to be turned loose with a CCW permit. The other value of a class and written test is that if a person misses enough of these kinds of common sense deadly force questions and similarly simple common sense gun safety questions to actually fail the written exam, then you really don't want them out in public with a firearm. Right, wrong or otherwise we at times restrict the rights of people who are intellectually disabled and I have no real issue extending this to people who want to carry a gun but are none the less dumber than a box of rocks. There has to be a limit to how low on the "stupid" scale we're willing to go and still issue a permit. ---- In terms of a live fire qualification, the NC standard is 28 out of 40 rounds on a B-27 target at 1,3,5 and 7 yards with some slow fire shots but mostly rapid fire and controlled pairs, and several mandatory draws from concealment and reloads. The basic idea is as much to ensure the person knows how to safely handle, load, draw and fire the weapon as it is to ensure that they can actually hit a people sized target at social shooting distances under low to moderate stress circumstances. I shot this with a 3" .45 ACP, and was not happy about the 9s and was a little embarrassed by the 8 on a double tap, but it terms of performance it was well above the patterns most shooters put on the target at what are very short ranges: 
What was amazing to watch were people who had obviously never handled the pistols they planned to carry with actual bullets in them, the high rate of jams in semi-autos, an instance of a Rossi revolver shaving lead, and other situations that people should have worked out and resolved before ever considering carrying a weapon for self defense. As much as anything else, the live fire qualification helped the instructor identify these issues and work with the student to resolve them before they went forward carrying that weapon as a concealed carry weapon. In that regard, for a gun person who's been properly trained and shoots a pistol a lot, the live fire exercise is a waste of time - but still very entertaining (in a you have got to be S____g me sort of way), and it's very valuable as a learning tool for the non gun people - and CCW applicants consist of both kinds. ----- As for a national concealed carry standard and automatic reciprocity between all 50 states, in order to keep all the states happy and pass such a law, it would require: 1) a NICS background check, 2) a Mental Health back ground check 3) a classroom training session of some minimum length on gun safety and use of deadly force, and 4) live fire range qualification where a minimum standard of safe gun handling and proficiency can be demonstrated. The last two are the major hang ups with states that won't recognize the permits of states with lesser standards but number 2 will be the one that most people object to as they see signing the needed releases as an invasion of privacy. Running a close second will be the class room training requirement. If you doubt that, just look at how badly Dick Metcalf got bashed just for suggesting that a minimum and reasonable training requirement is just common sense and not a violation of the second amendment. The reality is that until people can climb down from the moral high ground and stop resisting any and all suggestions for laws that encompass reasonable and responsible behavior with a gun, things like national concealed carry laws are just not going to happen. It'll be a trade off and the mood now is that no trade is worth making unless it all goes "our" way. |
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Senate just passed restaurant carry, house passed it last year 100-12. Restaurants can put up signs though, and bars probably will, since people that can't drink legally are just taking up space, but it's still a step in the right direction. http://www.wyff4.com/news/columbia-statewide-news/sc-senate-approves-concealed-guns-in-restaurants/-/9324106/23965732/-/o2ekhp/-/index.html?absolute=true We got that right last year in NC, and I will say I have yet to go to a restaurant that prohibited firearms; I guess common sense prevailed.
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We got that right last year in NC, and I will say I have yet to go to a restaurant that prohibited firearms; I guess common sense prevailed.
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Senate just passed restaurant carry, house passed it last year 100-12. Restaurants can put up signs though, and bars probably will, since people that can't drink legally are just taking up space, but it's still a step in the right direction. http://www.wyff4.com/news/columbia-statewide-news/sc-senate-approves-concealed-guns-in-restaurants/-/9324106/23965732/-/o2ekhp/-/index.html?absolute=true We got that right last year in NC, and I will say I have yet to go to a restaurant that prohibited firearms; I guess common sense prevailed.
Good on y'all, neighbors. We would have passed it last year if it weren't for the senators from the Columbia and Charleston areas. Draw your own conclusions... |
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We got that right last year in NC, and I will say I have yet to go to a restaurant that prohibited firearms; I guess common sense prevailed.
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Senate just passed restaurant carry, house passed it last year 100-12. Restaurants can put up signs though, and bars probably will, since people that can't drink legally are just taking up space, but it's still a step in the right direction. http://www.wyff4.com/news/columbia-statewide-news/sc-senate-approves-concealed-guns-in-restaurants/-/9324106/23965732/-/o2ekhp/-/index.html?absolute=true We got that right last year in NC, and I will say I have yet to go to a restaurant that prohibited firearms; I guess common sense prevailed.
Good on y'all, neighbors. My experience has been the same. The only exception has been Buffalo Wild Wings, and the change had nothing to do with CCW customers not buying alcohol. Regardless, I vote with my wallet and no longer eat there. I noted the same thing in VA, both before and after the Law changed allowing concealed carry in restaurants that sold alcohol. There are no "bars" in VA, and before the law change you could open carry but not conceal carry in a restaurant that served alcohol, so everyone just untucked their shirt to expose the weapon - commonly referred to as the "Virginia Tuck". Restaurants did not post "no firearms" signs before or after the law changed, so based on my experience in 2 southern, Atlantic coastal states, I suspect SC restaurants will be no different. |
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We would have passed it last year if it weren't for the senators from the Columbia and Charleston areas. Draw your own conclusions... Many states have urban areas that are out of step with the rest of the state. VT for example, is very pro gun, except for Burlington, where anti-gun people seem to congregate and raise just enough opposition to be a pain. Virginia is also very pro gun except for a couple counties in Northern VA that will go out of their way to make getting a CCW permit difficult, even to the point of violating the law. Minnesota has Minneapolis and St Paul that are much or illiberal in terms of gun control compared to the entire rest of the state, where the gun and hunting culture you find in the rest of the midwest and plains states is alive and well. |