[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Appendix Carry (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/8/2015 9:11:23 PM EDT
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so, i got my ccl on it's way in and am almost 100% set on appendix carry. i spend most of my day on my feet, and, despite that, i have a very nice beer belly that conceals the gun even while i'm shirtless (j frame .38, because that always gets asked.
I have no butt, so a 6 o'clock carry prints, and carrying normal iwb is very awkward when getting out my phone. The only issue i have is reholstering. but i figured if the gun is out of the holster, fit hit the shan or my pants are off for the day. just looking for opinions, very rarely do we get asked for our 2 cents, so eat it up guys. |
| I personally couldn't appendix carry, until recently, I just lost 60lbs....My gut made my G27 super uncomfortable to carry appendix no matter how hard I tried. I now carry a G19 and a spare mag, in NSR Tactical holsters, appendix. It's WAY more comfortable and concealable than carrying 4 o'clock like I used to. |
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so, i got my ccl on it's way in and am almost 100% set on appendix carry. i spend most of my day on my feet, and, despite that, i have a very nice beer belly that conceals the gun even while i'm shirtless (j frame .38, because that always gets asked. I have no butt, so a 6 o'clock carry prints, and carrying normal iwb is very awkward when getting out my phone. The only issue i have is reholstering. but i figured if the gun is out of the holster, fit hit the shan or my pants are off for the day. just looking for opinions, very rarely do we get asked for our 2 cents, so eat it up guys. Try carrying at 330-4. 6 is a bad idea if you were to fall and land with the pistol square in your back good likelihood you are going to damage your spine or break some vertebrae. I find appendix uncomfortable for myself but if it works go with it. I tried lots of different carry setups and due to past injuries some are a no go because they are just painful. |
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Re-holstering isn't really a thought in every day carry for me. Plus, if I have to draw the gun, I'm in no hurry to put it away.
Being reluctant to re-holster has made a difference in my training however. I dry-fire from the holster all the time, but rarely go from AIWB in a course or at the range. I have though; I took an 8 hour revolver course and carried AIWB to whole time. I still occasionally carry strong side OWB, but mostly now just up front. Cheers! -JC ETA: My J-frame holsters. I have been really liking my Garrity Gunleather rig for my 438 that I bought here on the EE. It has the clip offset - over the trigger guard area. That really reduces it's width and it carries much flatter. I also use a FIST K1 ultra-thin kydex. The kydex is really thin and flexible. It carries nicely too, doesn't have the sweat-guard like the Garrity and the clip is on the cylinder. I like it very much too, but find the Garrity to be lower profile and leather > kydex on bare skin for me YMMV. The FIST is also starting to show some minor wear (and it should). I want to get one of Bobby Mac's rigs after checking one out in a course. I have 3 snubbies, so naturally should have 3 holsters. |
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You mention you don't like SOB because it prints; but what's your objection to OWB carry- 2:30, 3:00, 3:30? Quoted:
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just looking for opinions, very rarely do we get asked for our 2 cents, so eat it up guys. mostly because i live in southeast louisiana, and it's hot at the devil's nutsack, so normally i wear light tee shirts, everything i've tried owb prints on a tee, and my job has alot of bending and twisting and lifting, and it's pretty easy for the holster to become visible. I just personally haven't found a way to conceal owb unless it's one of the 2 or 3 days of cold weather we get. any options you've found would help, i'm willing to try whatever. like i said, i'm new to this and my father is with the sheriff's office, so some of the guy's he's friends with have a ton of spare holsters. |
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just looking for opinions, very rarely do we get asked for our 2 cents, so eat it up guys. mostly because i live in southeast louisiana, and it's hot at the devil's nutsack, 
... so normally i wear light tee shirts, everything i've tried owb prints on a tee, and my job has alot of bending and twisting and lifting, and it's pretty easy for the holster to become visible. I just personally haven't found a way to conceal owb unless it's one of the 2 or 3 days of cold weather we get.
any options you've found would help, i'm willing to try whatever. like i said, i'm new to this and my father is with the sheriff's office, so some of the guy's he's friends with have a ton of spare holsters. I don't view the concept of concealed to mean undetectable, so I don't get too spun up if it prints. If you want to carry at work then ~printy concealed~ might not work for you. |
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Once you get comfortable re-holstering with appendix carry its no big deal when done safely. I regularly practice drawing and re-holstering from concealment at the range, and have taken a couple all day pistol classes running the same position with number of draws in the 100s. Just practice drawing and re-holstering(dryfire) around the house several days a week until you get proficient with it before you start carrying/training that way.
ETA: the only time I get a little touchy with re-holstering AIWB is when doing single hand drawing from concealment - it can be tough to reholster single handed while clearing a cover garment, making sure the trigger is clear going into the holster. To combat this, on the draw stroke I typically grab the bottom of my shirt and try to focus on tucking it BEHIND the grip/holster as I get a firing grip on the gun and draw. This way when you go to reholster the cover garment isn't in front of the holster and you don't have to try to raise it and reholster all while trying to keep the trigger clear. |
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Remove holster to put gun back. That's what I do in administrative handling; I put on and take off the whole rig at once. I have unholstered a couple of times before though, and taking off the holster to replace the gun would have been impractical at those times. Cheers! -JC |
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1117416__The_ARFCOM_Appendix_Carry_Thread_.html
As for reholstering safely: 
Reholstering safely is easy to screw up...especially in a class when it's 5:00, you've been on your feet since 8 am, it's 100 degrees out with matching humidity, you're sunburned, dehydrated, and you're pissed off about the last shot you fired. That's when people fuck it up. Always reholster in a deliberate fashion with careful attention to minimizing or eliminating any fleshy bits in front of the muzzle. That goes for ANY method of carry. |
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What is reholstering? It's holstering. Every time you put the gun in a holster, you holster the weapon. There is no "re" in holstering. Every time you holster a gun should be treated like the first time that gun met that holster. Very insightful Shit, I thought this was in GD. Didn't mean to be a jackass in a tech forum. Still true though. |
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What is reholstering? It's holstering. Every time you put the gun in a holster, you holster the weapon. There is no "re" in holstering. Every time you holster a gun should be treated like the first time that gun met that holster. Very insightful Shit, I thought this was in GD. Didn't mean to be a jackass in a tech forum. Still true though. If you take the gun off the nightstand or out of the safe and put it into a holster, it's holstering. If you take the gun out of the holster and return it to the holster, it's reholstering. 
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Not quite. If you take the gun off the nightstand or out of the safe and put it into a holster, it's holstering. If you take the gun out of the holster and return it to the holster, it's reholstering.
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What is reholstering? It's holstering. Every time you put the gun in a holster, you holster the weapon. There is no "re" in holstering. Every time you holster a gun should be treated like the first time that gun met that holster. Very insightful Shit, I thought this was in GD. Didn't mean to be a jackass in a tech forum. Still true though. If you take the gun off the nightstand or out of the safe and put it into a holster, it's holstering. If you take the gun out of the holster and return it to the holster, it's reholstering.
Nope, holstering a gun is the act of putting it in the holster. Doesn't matter why it was out of the holster in the first place. There is no such thing as re holstering. You holster your weapon, and should always be clear of anything blocking the entrance every time, whether it's on, or off body. ETA: Today, I got dressed, put on an AIWB holster for my Shield, took the Shield out of the ankle holster, and holstered it in the AIWB rig. Is that reholstering to you? I holstered it in the holster it will be in for the day. Attachment to body, and draw circumstance had nothing to do with it. Every time a gun is put in a holster, it is being holstered, there is no reholster. |
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What is reholstering? It's holstering. Every time you put the gun in a holster, you holster the weapon. There is no "re" in holstering. Every time you holster a gun should be treated like the first time that gun met that holster. Very insightful Shit, I thought this was in GD. Didn't mean to be a jackass in a tech forum. Still true though. No worries, I get your point about the difference between holstering and "reholstering" lol its just semantics man! 
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No worries, I get your point about the difference between holstering and "reholstering" lol its just semantics man! Quoted:
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What is reholstering? It's holstering. Every time you put the gun in a holster, you holster the weapon. There is no "re" in holstering. Every time you holster a gun should be treated like the first time that gun met that holster. Very insightful Shit, I thought this was in GD. Didn't mean to be a jackass in a tech forum. Still true though. No worries, I get your point about the difference between holstering and "reholstering" lol its just semantics man! Soft iwb holsters have to be removed FOR ME to reholster BTW. Is that unusual? |
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Kind of like a hot water heater. Why would you heat hot water. It is called a water heater. Soft iwb holsters have to be removed FOR ME to reholster BTW. Is that unusual? Quoted:
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What is reholstering? It's holstering. Every time you put the gun in a holster, you holster the weapon. There is no "re" in holstering. Every time you holster a gun should be treated like the first time that gun met that holster. Very insightful Shit, I thought this was in GD. Didn't mean to be a jackass in a tech forum. Still true though. No worries, I get your point about the difference between holstering and "reholstering" lol its just semantics man! Soft iwb holsters have to be removed FOR ME to reholster BTW. Is that unusual? Nothing unusual at all! The safest place for any handgun is in a proper holster, yet one of the most dangerous times is the actual holstering event. I don't want that event to take place while the gun is pointed at my junk. When I lived in Tacoma we applied for a CPL at the sheriff's office inside the courthouse. I carried openly to the courthouse and they sent a deputy out to secure my sidearm while I was there. He seemed annoyed at the duty (required by law) but was nevertheless appreciative when I handed him the gun still holstered as one unit. No mess no fuss, the holster is a safe place- the trigger is covered so the gun cannot discharge. Keep doing what you're doing, your instincts are correct. |
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I use this Holster with a G19. Took me a while to get used to the barrel pointed at my junk...hold up...still not used to it yet right now its the best way for me to conceal my firearm.
Here is a question. If I decide to carry at 330 or 4 o'clock and I am in a grocery store. Bend over to pick up my basket and the women behind me catches a glimpse of my firearm. This isn't illegal so fuck her and go on with my day? |
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I use this Holster with a G19. Took me a while to get used to the barrel pointed at my junk...hold up...still not used to it yet right now its the best way for me to conceal my firearm. Here is a question. If I decide to carry at 330 or 4 o'clock and I am in a grocery store. Bend over to pick up my basket and the women behind me catches a glimpse of my firearm. This isn't illegal so fudge her and go on with my day? Which is why I don't bother with IWB. OWB is so much more comfortable I don't know why so many people like a gun stuck in their gut pointing at their junk. |
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No, there's no requirement in WA law to conceal your handgun and you cannot lose your CPL for not concealing 'enough'. Which is why I don't bother with IWB. OWB is so much more comfortable I don't know why so many people like a gun stuck in their gut pointing at their junk. Quoted:
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I use this Holster with a G19. Took me a while to get used to the barrel pointed at my junk...hold up...still not used to it yet right now its the best way for me to conceal my firearm. Here is a question. If I decide to carry at 330 or 4 o'clock and I am in a grocery store. Bend over to pick up my basket and the women behind me catches a glimpse of my firearm. This isn't illegal so fudge her and go on with my day? Which is why I don't bother with IWB. OWB is so much more comfortable I don't know why so many people like a gun stuck in their gut pointing at their junk. Thank ya sir....looking for a new holster. |
| I used to carry in an OWB pancake at the 3:30-4 and switched to AIWB because A. I'm a small guy and the OWB would print under a plain T-shirt (it gets hot here) and B. it was uncomfortable when sitting in my truck. The AIWB, with a short sub-compact, conceals extremely well with a T-shirt and not only is more comfortable when sitting in a vehicle that has more of a wrap around type seat but, it would be much easier to draw from the aforementioned seated position. No one carry option is right for every person or gun. At 5' 9" 165lbs, could I comfortably carry a government model 1911 AIWB? No. But, that's why there are so many options. The key is to try a few options and see what you like. If you think AIWB is for you, give it a shot. You'll run into a lot of guys who say they don't want a gun pointed at their junk but, guess what, I don't want a negligent discharge into my thigh, my ass or anywhere else. |
Been carrying a G27 in a Comp-Tac CTAC for 11 years at 12:00. It is short, narrow, thin, great adjustable retention in or out of the WB,easy on and off(I only use V-clips) and fast 
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Quoted: I'm thinking about picking up a Zorn skinny rig holster to carry my shield aiwb but a little hesitant as I'm 6' 175lb and worried it's going to stab me in my upper groin area. Anyone else run into that problem? Any solutions to allow for aiwb? The issue i have is when stooping, the inseam crams into my boys. A shield is thin so it probably won't be an issue with you. I would recommend a jm custom "George" but see if the can make it longer. Better to sit on your pelvic bone than dig in the top. |
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I use this Holster with a G19. Took me a while to get used to the barrel pointed at my junk...hold up...still not used to it yet right now its the best way for me to conceal my firearm. Here is a question. If I decide to carry at 330 or 4 o'clock and I am in a grocery store. Bend over to pick up my basket and the women behind me catches a glimpse of my firearm. This isn't illegal so fuck her and go on with my day? Is that a full belt loop or just a clip? I'll buy that holster off of you if you don't want it. |
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The issue i have is when stooping, the inseam crams into my boys. A shield is thin so it probably won't be an issue with you. I would recommend a jm custom "George" but see if the can make it longer. Better to sit on your pelvic bone than dig in the top. Quoted:
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I'm thinking about picking up a Zorn skinny rig holster to carry my shield aiwb but a little hesitant as I'm 6' 175lb and worried it's going to stab me in my upper groin area. Anyone else run into that problem? Any solutions to allow for aiwb? The issue i have is when stooping, the inseam crams into my boys. A shield is thin so it probably won't be an issue with you. I would recommend a jm custom "George" but see if the can make it longer. Better to sit on your pelvic bone than dig in the top. That's my biggest complaint of appendix carry as well. Only really bothers me when I bend over naturally to pick something up and am reminded by my G19 crushing my upper groin area haha. Always have to bend at the knees nowadays 
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How do you sit with appendix carry? It seems like a great option if you're standing tall all day, but driving, sitting at a desk, etc seems like it would be very uncomfortable. I sit just fine, it takes some getting used to and finding the right angle. I've got a belly too. |
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Femoral artery, one oops and unless you ND during high stress right by an operating table and the surgical team right there, you're done. I could not carry with a round in the chamber that way, and no round in the chamber is pretty dumb to begin with.
Life is obviously too short to look cool for an extra eighth of a second, and I prefer to IWB which is more comfortable to begin with, and I can bend over and do things like driving my car without feeling as though my abs are on fire. |
| i first started carrying at the appendix with my incog, the whole shooting my member off thing was always in the back of my mind, but i also knew the firearm was only as safe as I was. even with me being a thinner guy, it just felt like it was in the way....when i pissed, when i drove, i had to move my belt buckle passed the left or right belt loop. so i started carrying at my 3:30-4:00 and never looked back. |
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Femoral artery, one oops and unless you ND during high stress right by an operating table and the surgical team right there, you're done. I could not carry with a round in the chamber that way, and no round in the chamber is pretty dumb to begin with. Life is obviously too short to look cool for an extra eighth of a second, and I prefer to IWB which is more comfortable to begin with, and I can bend over and do things like driving my car without feeling as though my abs are on fire. One oops can kill you no matter how you carry. |
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Femoral artery, one oops and unless you ND during high stress right by an operating table and the surgical team right there, you're done. I could not carry with a round in the chamber that way, and no round in the chamber is pretty dumb to begin with. Life is obviously too short to look cool for an extra eighth of a second, and I prefer to IWB which is more comfortable to begin with, and I can bend over and do things like driving my car without feeling as though my abs are on fire. One oops can kill you no matter how you carry. |
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Bleeding out is the leading cause of death from deep puncture wounds. That hick who shot himself in the leg lived to tell the tale because he didn't strike a main artery. Quoted:
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Femoral artery, one oops and unless you ND during high stress right by an operating table and the surgical team right there, you're done. I could not carry with a round in the chamber that way, and no round in the chamber is pretty dumb to begin with. Life is obviously too short to look cool for an extra eighth of a second, and I prefer to IWB which is more comfortable to begin with, and I can bend over and do things like driving my car without feeling as though my abs are on fire. One oops can kill you no matter how you carry. I don't disagree. He could have just have easily killed himself though. |
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I don't disagree. He could have just have easily killed himself though. Quoted:
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Femoral artery, one oops and unless you ND during high stress right by an operating table and the surgical team right there, you're done. I could not carry with a round in the chamber that way, and no round in the chamber is pretty dumb to begin with. Life is obviously too short to look cool for an extra eighth of a second, and I prefer to IWB which is more comfortable to begin with, and I can bend over and do things like driving my car without feeling as though my abs are on fire. One oops can kill you no matter how you carry. I don't disagree. He could have just have easily killed himself though. He's also a Yeager groupie, so that explains a lot 
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I prefer to IWB which is more comfortable to begin with, and I can bend over and do things like driving my car without feeling as though my abs are on fire. Comfort with AIWB is dependent upon a number of factors like your body's shape, the weapon you are carrying, the clothes you are wearing, and the holster you are using. The holster is a biggie. I've been carrying AIWB for about 6 years now, just about every single day of my life. I carried strong side IWB before that. I find AIWB more comfortable and I'm not limited in my range of motion by it. At the moment I'm sitting at a desk where I've been for more or less the last 6 hours with a 5" 1911 carried AIWB with no discomfort. I can bend over and tie my shoes. I can squat. No problems whatsoever. Part of that is getting used to carrying that way. A much larger part is the right gear. AIWB lets me carry something as big as a 5" 1911 invisibly where strong-side IWB would print like a motherfucker every time I bent even slightly at the waist. It's easier to conceal more gun this way than any other. The consequences of an unintentional discharge can indeed be significant...which is why I only AIWB carry weapons with additional room for error like a DA/SA gun, the aforementioned 1911 (two safeties) or a Glock that has been equipped with a Gadget |
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Comfort with AIWB is dependent upon a number of factors like your body's shape, the weapon you are carrying, the clothes you are wearing, and the holster you are using. The holster is a biggie. I've been carrying AIWB for about 6 years now, just about every single day of my life. I carried strong side IWB before that. I find AIWB more comfortable and I'm not limited in my range of motion by it. At the moment I'm sitting at a desk where I've been for more or less the last 6 hours with a 5" 1911 carried AIWB with no discomfort. I can bend over and tie my shoes. I can squat. No problems whatsoever. Part of that is getting used to carrying that way. A much larger part is the right gear. AIWB lets me carry something as big as a 5" 1911 invisibly where strong-side IWB would print like a motherfucker every time I bent even slightly at the waist. It's easier to conceal more gun this way than any other. The consequences of an unintentional discharge can indeed be significant...which is why I only AIWB carry weapons with additional room for error like a DA/SA gun, the aforementioned 1911 (two safeties) or a Glock that has been equipped with a Gadget Quoted:
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I prefer to IWB which is more comfortable to begin with, and I can bend over and do things like driving my car without feeling as though my abs are on fire. Comfort with AIWB is dependent upon a number of factors like your body's shape, the weapon you are carrying, the clothes you are wearing, and the holster you are using. The holster is a biggie. I've been carrying AIWB for about 6 years now, just about every single day of my life. I carried strong side IWB before that. I find AIWB more comfortable and I'm not limited in my range of motion by it. At the moment I'm sitting at a desk where I've been for more or less the last 6 hours with a 5" 1911 carried AIWB with no discomfort. I can bend over and tie my shoes. I can squat. No problems whatsoever. Part of that is getting used to carrying that way. A much larger part is the right gear. AIWB lets me carry something as big as a 5" 1911 invisibly where strong-side IWB would print like a motherfucker every time I bent even slightly at the waist. It's easier to conceal more gun this way than any other. The consequences of an unintentional discharge can indeed be significant...which is why I only AIWB carry weapons with additional room for error like a DA/SA gun, the aforementioned 1911 (two safeties) or a Glock that has been equipped with a Gadget When you sit for that long, do you pull the piece up so it sits higher on your belly? Or is the barrel digging into your groins? |
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When you sit for that long, do you pull the piece up so it sits higher on your belly? Or is the barrel digging into your groins? Neither. With the right holster and the right placement of the holster, the gun''s barrel falls in line with the crease formed by your leg and pelvis when you sit down so it's not uncomfortable at all. |
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Quoted: Neither. With the right holster and the right placement of the holster, the gun''s barrel falls in line with the crease formed by your leg and pelvis when you sit down so it's not uncomfortable at all. Quoted: Quoted: When you sit for that long, do you pull the piece up so it sits higher on your belly? Or is the barrel digging into your groins? Neither. With the right holster and the right placement of the holster, the gun''s barrel falls in line with the crease formed by your leg and pelvis when you sit down so it's not uncomfortable at all. I actually don't like it there. I have the muzzle just left of center with a rh holster |
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When you sit for that long, do you pull the piece up so it sits higher on your belly? Or is the barrel digging into your groins? Neither. With the right holster and the right placement of the holster, the gun''s barrel falls in line with the crease formed by your leg and pelvis when you sit down so it's not uncomfortable at all. I actually don't like it there. I have the muzzle just left of center with a rh holster My holster ends up falling more to the center as well, approximately 12:30ish. Muzzle falls nearly dead center for me. |