Posted: 6/28/2010 12:48:16 PM EDT
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If your back up is a 380 Then its BETTER not to even pack it and only use main carry?
All my 45yrs I thought ( and still do  ) THAT ANY BACK UP IS BETTER THAN NO BACK UP AT ALL!!
Hell if the Bad guy grabs my MAIN CARRY or it JAMS I have a 380 back up to use? Better than NOTHING that's my thinking?? No I don't have a 380 I use a S&W 637 in 38spl+ To BACK UP my MAIN CARRY a SIG P229 Dont worry I wont BRAG That I carry a 38spl since the 80`s 
To me a Back up is a back up as long as it runs 100% QUESTION How many guys here rather do without a back up in 380 and have 0 back up for your main carry? This aint a subject that 380 vs add whatever?? But do list you loads used in your BACK UP BACK UP = a handgun used to back up main carry Handgun I KNOW THERE ARE ALOT OF OWNERS WHO ALREADY HAVE 380 and or CANT AFFORD TO UPDATE!! So for the Owners who have 380 or even a 22 Let hear from you guys whats your take |
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On-duty back up gun is a Ruger LCP
Off duty CCW gun is a Smith and Wesson 360 M&P chambered in .357 Mag. I will on occasion carry the LCP as my CCW gun if the situation dictates a smaller, more concealable firearm. I have other handguns including a WWII vintage 1911 A1, Beretta 96 Compact, Kahr K40 Covert and a Kahr K9. I've carried all of them, but found their size and weight made them uncomfortable and I was not enthusiastic about carrying them. Over the years of trial and error, I have found that pocket carry both on and off duty is my preferred method of having a firearm on my person. As such, the LCP and M&P 360 fill that niche... for me Your mileage may vary. 
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On-duty back up gun is a Ruger LCP Off duty CCW gun is a Smith and Wesson 360 M&P chambered in .357 Mag. I will on occasion carry the LCP as my CCW gun if the situation dictates a smaller, more concealable firearm. I have other handguns including a WWII vintage 1911 A1, Beretta 96 Compact, Kahr K40 Covert and a Kahr K9. I've carried all of them, but found their size and weight made them uncomfortable and I was not enthusiastic about carrying them. Over the years of trial and error, I have found that pocket carry both on and off duty is my preferred method of having a firearm on my person. As such, the LCP and M&P 360 fill that niche... for me Your mileage may vary. So you agree that a 380 Back Up is better than no back up at all ? seems simple to me But I Know that there is some who cant see it |
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On-duty back up gun is a Ruger LCP Off duty CCW gun is a Smith and Wesson 360 M&P chambered in .357 Mag. I will on occasion carry the LCP as my CCW gun if the situation dictates a smaller, more concealable firearm. I have other handguns including a WWII vintage 1911 A1, Beretta 96 Compact, Kahr K40 Covert and a Kahr K9. I've carried all of them, but found their size and weight made them uncomfortable and I was not enthusiastic about carrying them. Over the years of trial and error, I have found that pocket carry both on and off duty is my preferred method of having a firearm on my person. As such, the LCP and M&P 360 fill that niche... for me Your mileage may vary. So you agree that a 380 Back Up is better than no back up at all ? seems simple to me But I Know that there is some who cant see it Sure... I agree that a .380 back-up is better than none at all. There are also times when a .380 becomes my primary carry piece. These occasions are dictated by my activity for the day and my choice of clothing. Given my physical size, and preferred method of carry (strong side, front pocket) mandates that I carry a very compact CCW piece. There are plenty of defensive calibers out there, and folks have plenty of opinions about those calibers. In the end, some people choose to carry a .380 as their primary CCW piece for their own reasons. If a person (myself included) has made peace with carrying a .380 for CCW or backup use, I have respect for their decision. |
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Since I live in SWFL now
Carrying a back Up acan be a pain sometimes. Like going for a Walk on the beach with swim trunks / T shirt I have used a Belly Band to hide a Handgun from full size to small size. The bellyBand has a spare pocket to fit a wallet & spare Mag or a jframe / 380 auto etc! You might give it a look. I bet you already know since you are LEO. I miss up North |
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When I was LE, back-up was always a Kel-Tec P3AT loaded with whatever ball ammo I had around. It never fed reliably with the Federal JHP ammo I bought for it, so I figured a reliable FMJ shooter was preferable to a jammomatic.
I also carry the KT as a backup to my CCW G27. I like to think 2 is 1 and 1 is none. Sometimes I only carry the KT, as costal Mississippi weather is just as oppressive as Florida in the summer. When I get the scratch (and another LE job), I'd like to buy an S&W Airweight snubbie to replace the KT on-duty. I was impressed with the controllability with standard (non +P) .38 ammo when I fired a buddy's. The reliability of a revolver and the better performance of the .38 (over the .380) seem like advantages to me. |
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Since I live in SWFL now I have used a Belly Band to hide a Handgun from full size to small size. The bellyBand has a spare pocket to fit a wallet & spare Mag or a jframe / 380 auto etc! You might give it a look. I bet you already know since you are LEO. I'm aware of those belly bands, but frankly, they're just not for me. The idea of wrapping a fabric encased elastic band around my mid section just does not appeal. The best part about being "off-duty" is being able to take my body armor and duty belt off for a period of time. Wearing a belly band is about as appealing as a root canal for me. Seriously, I'm cool with the LCP/ M&P 360 system... it works for me
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When I was LE, back-up was always a Kel-Tec P3AT loaded with whatever ball ammo I had around. It never fed reliably with the Federal JHP ammo I bought for it, so I figured a reliable FMJ shooter was preferable to a jammomatic. I also carry the KT as a backup to my CCW G27. I like to think 2 is 1 and 1 is none. Sometimes I only carry the KT, as costal Mississippi weather is just as oppressive as Florida in the summer. When I get the scratch (and another LE job), I'd like to buy an S&W Airweight snubbie to replace the KT on-duty. I was impressed with the controllability with standard (non +P) .38 ammo when I fired a buddy's. The reliability of a revolver and the better performance of the .38 (over the .380) seem like advantages to me. I to used FMJ and hydrajunk in my MUSTANG back in the late 80`s The main thing I like about the Jframe or Colts DS There's no Slide to go back and cause a miss fire . (When the muzzle is jam up against the BG) Also they can be fired inside pocket ,If you have a Hammer guard like on the 640/649,442 etc or the add on hammer guards gurads The NON +P looks good in the new hornady line I might give them a try instead of using +P 130 Bonded Ranger Less kick with the NON +P with good penetration sound GREAT |
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Since I live in SWFL now I have used a Belly Band to hide a Handgun from full size to small size. The bellyBand has a spare pocket to fit a wallet & spare Mag or a jframe / 380 auto etc! You might give it a look. I bet you already know since you are LEO. I'm aware of those belly bands, but frankly, they're just not for me. The idea of wrapping a fabric encased elastic band around my mid section just does not appeal. The best part about being "off-duty" is being able to take my body armor and duty belt off for a period of time. Wearing a belly band is about as appealing as a root canal for me. Seriously, I'm cool with the LCP/ M&P 360 system... it works for me
I wear the belly band below the waist .( not like in the adds) way wrong and stupid. No Higher than my underwear. my shorts or pants fit higher The BellyBAND isnt to wrap around the waist or mid section Even without a shirt I can pack a jframe under my swim trunks Thats why the bellyband is under rated Because Some think you are suppose to wrap it around mid section or high on the waist Anyway Thanks for your info
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My very first back up gun was a NAA mini-revolver. Why you might ask? I made 6.50 an hour and it was what I could afford. IT's primary purpose in life was weapon retention. You grab my holstered gun I will not go chuck Norris on your ass. I will muzzle stamp you in the head.
As funds became more available I moved up to a colt agent. So yes, any BUG is better than no BUG provided you: 1. Know its limitations 2. Shoot it enough to KNOW your limitations with it. 2. Understand and plan around those limitations An example of this process was my recent switch from the colt to a glock 26 as my BUG. Muzzle stamping in a retention situation is no longer a good idea, so time for retraining. Yes it is a pain in the ass. My life is worth it. |
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How about .. 'is it better to carry a 22 lr or nothing at all?'. Or we could go with.. 'should I carry my tactical pocketknife for protection or nothing at all?'. Or.. 'I can't carry a gun. Should I carry a sharp stick?'.
It's a dumb question to start with. .380 is an inadequate SD round as was clearly and factually communicated by several folks in the other thread that prompted you to start this one. Some choose to ignore this easily demonstrable fact and carry one anyway using the rationale that 'it is better than nothing'. This position doesn't make the .380 adequate. If you need a backup, carry a 38 special. It fits comfortably in a front pocket. If you rationalize and carry a .380 for *any* self defensive purpose including backup to a primary, you're just kidding yourself. Can we talk about Glock versus 1911 now? |
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I prefer a spare mag for the primary. This does not address if my gun is taken form me. Though I do not see any real situations as a Non-LEO that I'll have a gun taken from me. I do have a PM9 that I can use as a backup gun if I felt like it. Your choice, and you have to be comfortable with it. Just some food for thougth AKA other reasons for a bug. 1. People tend to hit in the area of where they are looking. IF that happens to be your gun or gun hand good luck 2. If you get ambushed and your primary hand is fending off attacks, immobilized or injured a BUG you can access w/you non-dominant hand is nice. 3. I carry my BUG in my non-dominant hand front pants or coat pocket. I can have my hand on a gun and nobody knows. That way I can deal with some one, be ready for fo time and NOT escalate the situation. 4. I can draw my bug and get hits quicker than I can do a t-r-e-b drill. Let alone a double feed. While none of my Glocks have never failed MR. Murphy is a prick and does not discriminate. JMHO YMMV |
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.....so yes any back up is better than none. You Carry the same action as the back up VERY SMART years ago I went S&W19 & S&W13 4inch S&W 37/640/649 1911 Colt Combar Elite 45acp Officers ACP acp Mustang 380acp Now its just a Jframe & Sig P229 Theres no safety on the sig , so its close to a D/A wheelgun |
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My very first back up gun was a NAA mini-revolver. Why you might ask? I made 6.50 an hour and it was what I could afford. IT's primary purpose in life was weapon retention. You grab my holstered gun I will not go chuck Norris on your ass. I will muzzle stamp you in the head. As funds became more available I moved up to a colt agent. So yes, any BUG is better than no BUG provided you: 1. Know its limitations 2. Shoot it enough to KNOW your limitations with it. 2. Understand and plan around those limitations An example of this process was my recent switch from the colt to a glock 26 as my BUG. Muzzle stamping in a retention situation is no longer a good idea, so time for retraining. Yes it is a pain in the ass. My life is worth it. Belive it or not Im thinking of buy a NNA mini in 22 or 22mag Why very easy to pack along with all the JUNK I carry 
E2D Led defender surefire D/A SOCOM TANTO knife Spare MAG 12rd &SIG P229 S&W637 2 speed strips ID etc! Ive held a permit for 25 years now so I hope I will never need to use my back up. and maybe its OVERKILL for a civi to even need a back up? But I just got to have it
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How about .. 'is it better to carry a 22 lr or nothing at all?'. Or we could go with.. 'should I carry my tactical pocketknife for protection or nothing at all?'. Or.. 'I can't carry a gun. Should I carry a sharp stick?'. It's a dumb question to start with. .380 is an inadequate SD round as was clearly and factually communicated by several folks in the other thread that prompted you to start this one. Some choose to ignore this easily demonstrable fact and carry one anyway using the rationale that 'it is better than nothing'. This position doesn't make the .380 adequate. If you need a backup, carry a 38 special. It fits comfortably in a front pocket. If you rationalize and carry a .380 for *any* self defensive purpose including backup to a primary, you're just kidding yourself. Can we talk about Glock versus 1911 now? PLZ dont SPIT your bullshit here! Lets all carry 44magums (why go 38spl or even 9mm) Dillingers in 44 and 45LC
Better yet lets just go SBR under the vest KAC PDW or a AK47 short barrel 
You refuse to understand that a 380 BACK up is better than NO BACK UP AT ALL EVEN A 22 IS BETTER THAN NO BACK UP Fucken NEWBIES I swear A 38spl +P is even weeak so PLZ dude Give it up EVERYONE KNOWS A 380 IS WEAKER THAN 38SPL or 9mm or 40 or 10mm Hell I knew the difference in the 70`s.!! any reloader knows I dont go around Bragging about it This topic isnt 380 vs ADD WHAT EVER NAVY SEAL WITH 380 VS CRACK HEAD with J frame 38spl I wonder??
Ive pack a J frame in the 80`S Im a big shot so Im going to shit all over every person who packs 380 as a back up? WHATEVER KID |
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Anything is better than nothing.....I don't want to get shot by a rubber band as in a rubber band is less than say....a .22 or a .380....therefore I definitely don't wanna get shot by one of those. got ya I know 4 adults shot by 38spl in the HEAD ( personally) 2 were shot in the mouth the other 2 in the fore head All went to the hospital and got out a day or 2 later 2 were shot by there wives ( Mouth and forehead ) The other 2 had a hand gun fight with a mad boy friend who Died After knowing this I thought I would shoot only center of mass IF I GOT THE CHANCE. Even a 38spl aint all that I also know of a young man who was at the Ballyhoo Tavern and was shot with 1 single round to the chest and died on the spot! by a CHEAP Davis 380 ball load So go Figure I think I will go for center mass
Just because Ive carried a 38spl most my Life dont mean shit |
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How about .. 'is it better to carry a 22 lr or nothing at all?'. Or we could go with.. 'should I carry my tactical pocketknife for protection or nothing at all?'. Or.. 'I can't carry a gun. Should I carry a sharp stick?'. It's a dumb question to start with. .380 is an inadequate SD round as was clearly and factually communicated by several folks in the other thread that prompted you to start this one. Some choose to ignore this easily demonstrable fact and carry one anyway using the rationale that 'it is better than nothing'. This position doesn't make the .380 adequate. If you need a backup, carry a 38 special. It fits comfortably in a front pocket. If you rationalize and carry a .380 for *any* self defensive purpose including backup to a primary, you're just kidding yourself. Can we talk about Glock versus 1911 now? PLZ dont SPIT your bullshit here! Lets all carry 44magums (why go 38spl or even 9mm) Dillingers in 44 and 45LC
Better yet lets just go SBR under the vest KAC PDW or a AK47 short barrel
You refuse to understand that a 380 BACK up is better than NO BACK UP AT ALL EVEN A 22 IS BETTER THAN NO BACK UP Fucken NEWBIES I swear A 38spl +P is even weeak so PLZ dude Give it up EVERYONE KNOWS A 380 IS WEAKER THAN 38SPL or 9mm or 40 or 10mm Hell I knew the difference in the 70`s.!! any reloader knows I dont go around Bragging about it This topic isnt 380 vs ADD WHAT EVER NAVY SEAL WITH 380 VS CRACK HEAD with J frame 38spl I wonder??
Ive pack a J frame in the 80`S Im a big shot so Im going to shit all over every person who packs 380 as a back up? WHATEVER KID FMJ.. you need to learn to be civil. Nobody will take you seriously otherwise. Good luck with that. |
| If you need a backup it should be a weapon that meets the basic requirement: defense against people. .380 is inadequate for this purpose. It might work, it might not with a properly placed shot. Rounds that expand well don't penetrate enough. Rounds that penetrate enough don't expand and do enough damage. All the wishful thinking and all of the rationales like 'better than nothing' won't change that fact. Those that rely on a .380 for self defense in any capacity are kidding themselves. .38 special is the minimum. A j frame smith is very easy to conceal and works fine as a backup. |
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How about .. 'is it better to carry a 22 lr or nothing at all?'. Or we could go with.. 'should I carry my tactical pocketknife for protection or nothing at all?'. Or.. 'I can't carry a gun. Should I carry a sharp stick?'. It's a dumb question to start with. .380 is an inadequate SD round as was clearly and factually communicated by several folks in the other thread that prompted you to start this one. Some choose to ignore this easily demonstrable fact and carry one anyway using the rationale that 'it is better than nothing'. This position doesn't make the .380 adequate. If you need a backup, carry a 38 special. It fits comfortably in a front pocket. If you rationalize and carry a .380 for *any* self defensive purpose including backup to a primary, you're just kidding yourself. Can we talk about Glock versus 1911 now? PLZ dont SPIT your bullshit here! Lets all carry 44magums (why go 38spl or even 9mm) Dillingers in 44 and 45LC
Better yet lets just go SBR under the vest KAC PDW or a AK47 short barrel
You refuse to understand that a 380 BACK up is better than NO BACK UP AT ALL EVEN A 22 IS BETTER THAN NO BACK UP Fucken NEWBIES I swear A 38spl +P is even weeak so PLZ dude Give it up EVERYONE KNOWS A 380 IS WEAKER THAN 38SPL or 9mm or 40 or 10mm Hell I knew the difference in the 70`s.!! any reloader knows I dont go around Bragging about it This topic isnt 380 vs ADD WHAT EVER NAVY SEAL WITH 380 VS CRACK HEAD with J frame 38spl I wonder??
Ive pack a J frame in the 80`S Im a big shot so Im going to shit all over every person who packs 380 as a back up? WHATEVER KID FMJ.. you need to learn to be civil. Nobody will take you seriously otherwise. Good luck with that. only to you buddy you are the FIRST IN 9 years on this forum Just Because I have carried a 38spl snub over 25 years I dont go around and putting down others who own 380s LIKE YOURSELF My Mail is full of thanks from other members here that I try so hard to help |
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Oh no, not this crap again. The dude changed his avatar so people will think he is now someone else   Yeah a real A1 JERK He gets info from the Dr. etc And spits it out like he came up with it! All he can say is 38spl is better for back up than 380 Any 12 year old knows a 38spl has better performance than a 380acp So I dont get what he is TRYING SO HARD TO TEACH? He just wants to shit on a 380 back up topic
SPOOK410 Do I get a metal since Ive pack a S&W 37 S&W 640in 357, S&W649 in 357, S&W 640in 38spl+P 20 For 25yrs?? I know it makes me so much smarter than everyone who packs a 380 as a back up I knew in the 70`s about handguns calibers and such wich are more powerful ! Most guys who have 380 know there short commings So why since you stated above this is stupid lets do GLOCK vs 1911 Your back to spit dirt at 380 owners I myself Never throw Dirt I try to help others without being a JERK or acting like a KNOW IT ALL You stated you advice many times now move on plz |
| For over 30 years my back up gun was a.380 PPK. My primary carry weapons ranged from S&W Mdl. 28, S&W Mdl. 686 and finally I carried a Sig 229. Although I never had to rely on my PPK it was there if I needed it. I have witnessed the results of someone being shot with a .380 and I can say, it did a sufficent job in eliminating the threat. |