Posted: 12/7/2008 12:50:36 PM EDT
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Well, I have been researching a pocket concealable BUG for a week or so now. I have been drawn to the KelTec P3AT and Bersa Thunder in .380. Seems the Bersa would barely fit my pocket but I am 6'5" and 225lbs. So maybe it's ok.
I have a CZ P01 for when I get my CCW as a primary. I sucked at firing the Glock 19 and 23 I have owned in the past (hitting the target, but not much of the black), but am very accurate with the P01 and very confident in it. No jams ever. Great grip for my size hands. It got me wondering, should I just get a G26 as a BUG? I doubt it will fit my pocket, but maybe leg as a BUG. The reason? I shot Glocks poorly in the past, but would it be better than accuracy with a KelTec or Bersa? I loved the simplicity and reliability of the Glocks. Mostly looking for reliability and concealment. So any votes? 1. KelTec P3AT 2. Bersa Thunder .380 3. Glock 26 Thanks! |
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Yes I have considered a J-frame...what are the pros/cons of a revolver? I have only fired 2 in my life. A .357 and a .44. Pros: 1. Reliability –– Revolvers are probably the most reliable handguns you'll ever find..at least the ones without the stupid S&W lawyer lock. S&W is producing non-lock J frames that are extremely reliable. I've been shooting J frames for most of my life...I have yet to break one. 2. Safety –– J frames are pretty darn hard to screw up with. As such, they can be safely carried in a pocket (in a proper pocket holster, of course) without worry. 3. Concealability –– the J frames are extremely concealable, and their irregular outline doesn't scream GUN! when they print in your pocket. 4. Power –– When loaded properly a .38 caliber J frame passes IWBA recommended standards for ballistic performance. 5. Weight –– The aluminum/titanium/scandium framed revolvers are very light and easy to carry all day even in deep concealment holsters. 6. Versatility –– Because they have been the BUG of choice for armed professionals and a favorite of those who carry concealed for so long, there is a TON of gear and accessories out there for the J frames. Items like the Crimson Trace laser grips add a great deal of value to the J frames. Cons: 1. Capacity –– 5 rounds isn't a lot of bullets. 2. Accuracy –– The tiny sights and stiff trigger of the J frames makes them difficult to shoot well under stress. 3. Recoil –– The recoil of full power loads can be stiff and unpleasant, especially in the super light weight scandium and titanium framed revolvers. This tends to discourage practice and makes number 2 even worse. 4. Reloading –– reloading a revolver in a hurry sucks. Most of the cons can be limited either through training or equipment choices. You can learn to use a J frame very well, but it takes practice and dedication to do so. The payoff, however, is more than worth it, in my opinion. My Smith & Wesson 442 (pre-lock) is the gun that's with me all the time under just about every circumstance either as a BUG or a primary. |
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Yes I have considered a J-frame...what are the pros/cons of a revolver? I have only fired 2 in my life. A .357 and a .44. Pros: 1. Reliability –– Revolvers are probably the most reliable handguns you'll ever find..at least the ones without the stupid S&W lawyer lock. S&W is producing non-lock J frames that are extremely reliable. I've been shooting J frames for most of my life...I have yet to break one. 2. Safety –– J frames are pretty darn hard to screw up with. As such, they can be safely carried in a pocket (in a proper pocket holster, of course) without worry. 3. Concealability –– the J frames are extremely concealable, and their irregular outline doesn't scream GUN! when they print in your pocket. 4. Power –– When loaded properly a .38 caliber J frame passes IWBA recommended standards for ballistic performance. 5. Weight –– The aluminum/titanium/scandium framed revolvers are very light and easy to carry all day even in deep concealment holsters. 6. Versatility –– Because they have been the BUG of choice for armed professionals and a favorite of those who carry concealed for so long, there is a TON of gear and accessories out there for the J frames. Items like the Crimson Trace laser grips add a great deal of value to the J frames. Cons: 1. Capacity –– 5 rounds isn't a lot of bullets. 2. Accuracy –– The tiny sights and stiff trigger of the J frames makes them difficult to shoot well under stress. 3. Recoil –– The recoil of full power loads can be stiff and unpleasant, especially in the super light weight scandium and titanium framed revolvers. This tends to discourage practice and makes number 2 even worse. 4. Reloading –– reloading a revolver in a hurry sucks. Most of the cons can be limited either through training or equipment choices. You can learn to use a J frame very well, but it takes practice and dedication to do so. The payoff, however, is more than worth it, in my opinion. My Smith & Wesson 442 (pre-lock) is the gun that's with me all the time under just about every circumstance either as a BUG or a primary. Quoted:
Of your choices, I'd say the G26. It can fit in a pocket holster with the right pants. Or just put in on the belt on your other side. I don't advise ankle carry. But my personal choice is a J-frame sized revolver, in .38 or .357mag. Have ya thought about that?  +1 |
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If you don't even have your license yet, maybe you should worry more about your primary. In fact, I would recommend a spare mag over a back up gun. A spare mag will hold more bullets than any of the backups listed in this thread (maybe equal to the Bersa), and will weigh a lot less. Yes, if your gun goes down you'll be sol, but with a quality firearm such as the CZP01 I don't think that'll be an issue.
I advise against a .380 because it's lack of power. Personally, I'd go with the 26, but you've said you shot for shit with the 19/23, and the 26 isn't much different. The J-Frame, like has been said, is pretty much guaranteed to work. If you've convinced yourself you require a bug, consider a J. |
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ViniVidiVici, I have been meaning to ask you...why is that kid so pissed in your avatar? Where is he from? Yes I have considered a J-frame...what are the pros/cons of a revolver? I have only fired 2 in my life. A .357 and a .44. John_Wayne777 summed it up real well right there. Stick with a steel framed one––not really that heavy, and a hell of alot easier to shoot. My Taurus is 24 oz. unloaded, no problem at all for pocket carry. Handles real well even with .357mag loads. My avatar is just some angry little soccer hooligan, I think................... 
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