Posted: 9/24/2015 10:24:14 AM EDT
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Just had a 43 delivered. The slide release button is very stiff and basically takes two hands to depress and let the slide go forward, "not to be liked in a single stack with limited rounds especially". It seems the button, or latch, is to stiff and is to flush to the upper frame to depress easily. As easily as my 19 with which I have no problem. The 19 has a little ridge underneath the latch which maybe aids : The 43 doesnt.
Is this common with 43's and will it work itself out with a little shooting and the spring working in? Or do I have a dog and does it need to go back? Thanks. |
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Do you have difficulties pulling back on the slide and releasing that way? Could be your pistol is still very new and just needs to be shot and worn in. The slide stop already does not have much real-estate to push down on coupled with the recoil spring putting tension against the slide stop while you are trying to release it.
How much shooting have you done with it? Also notice I called it a slide stop and not a slide release Glock may tell you the same thing. |
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Thanks for the reply. Yes its the slide stop and I ended up buying the Vickers extended for the 42 which fits the 43. Apparently the stock slide stop sucks in the 43 "never had an issue with my 19".
On the plus side my new 43 has a sweet trigger. Much better then the older 43's Ive shot at the range others bought when they first came out. I do believe its crisper then my 19. |
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Thanks for the reply. Yes its the slide stop and I ended up buying the Vickers extended for the 42 which fits the 43. Apparently the stock slide stop sucks in the 43 "never had an issue with my 19". On the plus side my new 43 has a sweet trigger. Much better then the older 43's Ive shot at the range others bought when they first came out. I do believe its crisper then my 19. It will also get much much better the more usage it gets. |
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Quoted: No. Slowest reloads ever. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's a slide stop, not a slide release. Pull the slide rearward and let go. This. No. Slowest reloads ever. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Better than fumbling with a tiny lever designed to lock the slide OPEN. |
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It's a slide stop, not a slide release. Pull the slide rearward and let go. This. No. Slowest reloads ever. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Better than fumbling with a tiny lever designed to lock the slide OPEN. Buy this one designed to both lock the slide open and release it: 
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/649756/vickers-tactical-slide-stop-glock-42-43-steel-black Where is your god now? |
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It's a slide stop, not a slide release. Pull the slide rearward and let go. You're so right; but, thanks to the GSSF shooters it's not called that anymore! Too many Glock shooters fail to realize that what works for them in a GSSF match isn't necessarily going to work the same way out on the street! (Which is, probably, 'Why' I've yet to hear of a police agency that teaches its officers to use the slide stop/release.) 
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You're so right; but, thanks to the GSSF shooters it's not called that anymore! Too many Glock shooters fail to realize that what works for them in a GSSF match isn't necessarily going to work the same way out on the street! (Which is, probably, 'Why' I've yet to hear of a police agency that teaches its officers to use the slide stop/release.) Quoted:
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It's a slide stop, not a slide release. Pull the slide rearward and let go. You're so right; but, thanks to the GSSF shooters it's not called that anymore! Too many Glock shooters fail to realize that what works for them in a GSSF match isn't necessarily going to work the same way out on the street! (Which is, probably, 'Why' I've yet to hear of a police agency that teaches its officers to use the slide stop/release.) Police agency training is rarely something to brag about. The trainers with the most real-world shooting-people experience (backgrounds in Delta, mainly) generally teach that using the slide lock/release during an emergency reload is a perfectly valid technique. Several even teach it as they preferred technique. Most of the instructors telling folks to never use the slide lock are actually rather lacking in real world combat experience (take James Yeager as an example). There are valid reasons for each technique. I'm not going to tell people which one they should use. But be assured: Releasing the slide with the slide lock is perfectly valid and taught by some of the most experienced trainers in the world. |
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Police agency training is rarely something to brag about. The trainers with the most real-world shooting-people experience (backgrounds in Delta, mainly) generally teach that using the slide lock/release during an emergency reload is a perfectly valid technique. Several even teach it as they preferred technique. Most of the instructors telling folks to never use the slide lock are actually rather lacking in real world combat experience (take James Yeager as an example). There are valid reasons for each technique. I'm not going to tell people which one they should use. But be assured: Releasing the slide with the slide lock is perfectly valid and taught by some of the most experienced trainers in the world. Quoted:
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It's a slide stop, not a slide release. Pull the slide rearward and let go. You're so right; but, thanks to the GSSF shooters it's not called that anymore! Too many Glock shooters fail to realize that what works for them in a GSSF match isn't necessarily going to work the same way out on the street! (Which is, probably, 'Why' I've yet to hear of a police agency that teaches its officers to use the slide stop/release.) Police agency training is rarely something to brag about. The trainers with the most real-world shooting-people experience (backgrounds in Delta, mainly) generally teach that using the slide lock/release during an emergency reload is a perfectly valid technique. Several even teach it as they preferred technique. Most of the instructors telling folks to never use the slide lock are actually rather lacking in real world combat experience (take James Yeager as an example). There are valid reasons for each technique. I'm not going to tell people which one they should use. But be assured: Releasing the slide with the slide lock is perfectly valid and taught by some of the most experienced trainers in the world.  Nope sorry! Not buying it; and I've got some, 'real world experience' of my own to fall back on, too.
If that is, in fact, what former Delta personnel are teaching then all I can say is they need some more of that good, 'real world experience' for themselves. Whenever a gunman gets caught by surprise he will do whatever he's trained to do; and I've got more than 50 years of experience that say fiddle-farting around with a tiny slide release isn't the best choice a gunman could make. To each his own, though. I really don't care what the other guy does. I only care about getting it right, myself; and even I - stubborn Sicilian that I am - don't always get things right. Sometimes it all comes down to the luck of the draw, and whatever God allows. Besides neither the IDF, nor the Mossad teach using the slide release on their pistols; and that's certainly a good enough recommendation for me!
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Nope sorry! Not buying it; and I've got some, 'real world experience' of my own to fall back on, too.
If that is, in fact, what former Delta personnel are teaching then all I can say is they need some more of that good, 'real world experience' for themselves. I'll take the opinions of veterans of the battle of the black sea and Delta/CAG's decade of the WoT experience over the likes of James Yeager. Also, the vast majority of the IDF couldn't shoot their way out of a paper bag. |
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I try and dry fire several magazines a day. Draw and shoot, draw and hold, shoot and reload...ect. I also practice mounting my AR at least 10 times a side every day.
With my 19, and every other S/A, using the slide lock "or whatever the feck you call it" is not a problem and seems faster. Whatever, its in my muscle memory from years of doing it and it will stay there. The 43 is releasing better after a long shoot today. This damn little plastic gun is accurate to, and the trigger impresses me. I shot a few prior, ones bought right away after release and was not impressed. Im pretty impressed with this one. At 15 yards it was very fast out of a snap holster. I cant wait to get my off duty quick release holster. The gun is balanced and pointable, it seems to find the target on its own. Or maybe its all the dry fire with the 19. The trigger break crisp. Not real light but real crisp. If I miss its not the guns fault. I couldnt ask for more from a gun maker "mind you I came late to the party" for Glock. Very impressive machines. |
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I try and dry fire several magazines a day. Draw and shoot, draw and hold, shoot and reload...ect. I also practice mounting my AR at least 10 times a side every day. With my 19, and every other S/A, using the slide lock "or whatever the feck you call it" is not a problem and seems faster. Whatever, its in my muscle memory from years of doing it and it will stay there. The 43 is releasing better after a long shoot today. This damn little plastic gun is accurate to, and the trigger impresses me. I shot a few prior, ones bought right away after release and was not impressed. Im pretty impressed with this one. At 15 yards it was very fast out of a snap holster. I cant wait to get my off duty quick release holster. The gun is balanced and pointable, it seems to find the target on its own. Or maybe its all the dry fire with the 19. The trigger break crisp. Not real light but real crisp. If I miss its not the guns fault. I couldnt ask for more from a gun maker "mind you I came late to the party" for Glock. Very impressive machines. If the slide lock still bugs you I strongly suggest trying the Vickers slide lock I linked above. I should be a fair bit easier to use. |
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Glock will tell you it's a slide lock and not a slide release. It's not intended for releasing the slide. A useful (and IMO better) technique is to learn the slingshot method. Doesn't use fine motor skills. 1) I will never consult a gun manufacturer for tactical advice, ever. 2) Slingshot method involves using only the thumb to grasp one side of the slide. This is bad. Powerstroking is an acceptable technique, with the entire hand cupped over the slide. 3) Pulling the trigger is a fine motor skill. Aligning the sights is a fine motor skill. If you want to remove dependency on fine motor skills, may I suggest an 8lb sledgehammer instead of a firearm? Delta/CAG uses Glock's. Many of them also seem to like using the slide lock during emergency reloads. They're only the best combat shooters in the world, I reckon they might know a thing or two. Powerstroking the slide is a valid technique (but, like all techniques, it has disadvantages). Everyone should pick a valid technique and practice, practice, practice for it. But powerstroking is not the only valid technique. |
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I'll take the opinions of veterans of the battle of the black sea and Delta/CAG's decade of the WoT experience over the likes of James Yeager. Also, the vast majority of the IDF couldn't shoot their way out of a paper bag. Quoted:
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Nope sorry! Not buying it; and I've got some, 'real world experience' of my own to fall back on, too.
If that is, in fact, what former Delta personnel are teaching then all I can say is they need some more of that good, 'real world experience' for themselves. I'll take the opinions of veterans of the battle of the black sea and Delta/CAG's decade of the WoT experience over the likes of James Yeager. Also, the vast majority of the IDF couldn't shoot their way out of a paper bag. As I said: DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE! That's fine with me; but, please, enough of the IGF tough guy stuff; and I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop trying to associate either me or my own opinions with James Yeager. I haven't thrown any dirt on you; and I'd be grateful if you'd start showing me the same courtesy - OK! You're welcome to your own opinions, too. I really truly don't care.
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Glock will tell you it's a slide lock and not a slide release. It's not intended for releasing the slide. A useful (and IMO better) technique is to learn the slingshot method. Doesn't use fine motor skills. Not quite! Glock, Inc. will tell you it's a SLIDE STOP. (The slide lock is on the frame above and in front of the trigger's face.) As for the slingshot method? Whether you use the slingshot or, ‘HOT’ (hand over top) technique is more a matter of the size of the pistol you’re using than anything else. |
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I use it as a slide stop and a slide release- on all my semis. Police issued S&W 6906 in 1992. We were trained to release the slide after a mag change using the slide release.
Six years later we went to G22, training continued the same. The guns came with factory ext. slide buttons and mag release. Somewhere around 2007 (?) new trainers started getting upset if you didn't slingshot...seems that the department wanted to save $4.00 and went with standard slide 'stops' and mag release and began training that way. Under stress you will do whatever you've trained on- everyone except the newest academy grads reverted back to slide release under timed quals and shoot house scenarios. New guys slingshot. It depends on your training. |
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Nope sorry! Not buying it; and I've got some, 'real world experience' of my own to fall back on, too.
If that is, in fact, what former Delta personnel are teaching then all I can say is they need some more of that good, 'real world experience' for themselves. Whenever a gunman gets caught by surprise he will do whatever he's trained to do; and I've got more than 50 years of experience that say fiddle-farting around with a tiny slide release isn't the best choice a gunman could make. To each his own, though. I really don't care what the other guy does. I only care about getting it right, myself; and even I - stubborn Sicilian that I am - don't always get things right. Sometimes it all comes down to the luck of the draw, and whatever God allows. Besides neither the IDF, nor the Mossad teach using the slide release on their pistols; and that's certainly a good enough recommendation for me! Quoted:
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It's a slide stop, not a slide release. Pull the slide rearward and let go. You're so right; but, thanks to the GSSF shooters it's not called that anymore! Too many Glock shooters fail to realize that what works for them in a GSSF match isn't necessarily going to work the same way out on the street! (Which is, probably, 'Why' I've yet to hear of a police agency that teaches its officers to use the slide stop/release.) Police agency training is rarely something to brag about. The trainers with the most real-world shooting-people experience (backgrounds in Delta, mainly) generally teach that using the slide lock/release during an emergency reload is a perfectly valid technique. Several even teach it as they preferred technique. Most of the instructors telling folks to never use the slide lock are actually rather lacking in real world combat experience (take James Yeager as an example). There are valid reasons for each technique. I'm not going to tell people which one they should use. But be assured: Releasing the slide with the slide lock is perfectly valid and taught by some of the most experienced trainers in the world. Nope sorry! Not buying it; and I've got some, 'real world experience' of my own to fall back on, too.
If that is, in fact, what former Delta personnel are teaching then all I can say is they need some more of that good, 'real world experience' for themselves. Whenever a gunman gets caught by surprise he will do whatever he's trained to do; and I've got more than 50 years of experience that say fiddle-farting around with a tiny slide release isn't the best choice a gunman could make. To each his own, though. I really don't care what the other guy does. I only care about getting it right, myself; and even I - stubborn Sicilian that I am - don't always get things right. Sometimes it all comes down to the luck of the draw, and whatever God allows. Besides neither the IDF, nor the Mossad teach using the slide release on their pistols; and that's certainly a good enough recommendation for me! Tier 1 (USA) operators are trained not to use the slingshot method when they go through OTC. That why they prefer not to use the sling shot method. So after thousand of rounds in training their muscle memory is conditioned to use the slide lock over the sling shot method. Unless it has changed IDF/Mossad do not even carry their Glocks hot, round in the chamber. They are trained to rack the slide back before engaging a threat. That seems to work for them based on my observations. In the end it is what ever method works for you and the training you received. Cheers |
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If the slide lock still bugs you I strongly suggest trying the Vickers slide lock I linked above. I should be a fair bit easier to use. Quoted:
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I try and dry fire several magazines a day. Draw and shoot, draw and hold, shoot and reload...ect. I also practice mounting my AR at least 10 times a side every day. With my 19, and every other S/A, using the slide lock "or whatever the feck you call it" is not a problem and seems faster. Whatever, its in my muscle memory from years of doing it and it will stay there. The 43 is releasing better after a long shoot today. This damn little plastic gun is accurate to, and the trigger impresses me. I shot a few prior, ones bought right away after release and was not impressed. Im pretty impressed with this one. At 15 yards it was very fast out of a snap holster. I cant wait to get my off duty quick release holster. The gun is balanced and pointable, it seems to find the target on its own. Or maybe its all the dry fire with the 19. The trigger break crisp. Not real light but real crisp. If I miss its not the guns fault. I couldnt ask for more from a gun maker "mind you I came late to the party" for Glock. Very impressive machines. If the slide lock still bugs you I strongly suggest trying the Vickers slide lock I linked above. I should be a fair bit easier to use. Back ordered. |
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Tier 1 (USA) operators are trained not to use the slingshot method when they go through OTC. That why they prefer not to use the sling shot method. So after thousand of rounds in training their muscle memory is conditioned to use the slide lock over the sling shot method. Unless it has changed IDF/Mossad do not even carry their Glocks hot, round in the chamber. They are trained to rack the slide back before engaging a threat. That seems to work for them based on my observations. In the end it is what ever method works for you and the training you received. Cheers. Yes, that would be correct provided (and only provided) that, 'Tier 1 operators' were being trained on pistols with standard size frames. All anyone who's having a problem grasping this concept has to do is to pick up any small frame pistol and try to go, 'hand over top' with it. (Hard to do; isn't it!) The simple fact is that the slingshot method is much easier to work with on smaller pistol slides. C-1 carry protocol is, something of, an infectious international disease. In years past it's been dangerous for both the SAS, and IDF to use, and HAS caused casualties; but, in today's increasingly dangerous world, casual C-1 carry is becoming more and more acceptable. (I would think mindlessly so, and especially for civilian carry.) There are a few Israeli special police and military units that are now carrying their pistols in C-1; but a majority of the Israeli police and military have not approved C-1 carry for general use. Some of the fastest and most dangerous pistoleros I've ever seen used, 'Mossad carry'; and, depending upon the size of the pistol's slide, racked their pistols with either a slingshot, or H.O.T. technique. This said: Anytime a pistol is large enough for its slide to be comfortably grasped by a hand with a full open palm then the H.O.T. method is the right technique to use. As far as martial training and, 'muscle memory' goes? The people I studied with fully expected me to walk over to the bench, pick up any pistol that was there, and use it effectively with both speed and precision. I once failed to do this correctly; and the instructor publicly, 'read me the riot act'! There was no acceptable excuse for not being able to use whatever weapon was put in front of you, both, skillfully and well. 'Muscle memory' training is all very well and good; but, like so many other things in life, it can be either too limited in scope, or carried too far. Me? I would say that: In the end, it's the quality of the training you receive, as well as the enthusiasm with which you enter into it that can wrought real change and improvement. |
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Quoted: No. Slowest reloads ever. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's a slide stop, not a slide release. Pull the slide rearward and let go. This. No. Slowest reloads ever. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Better than fumbling with a tiny lever designed to lock the slide OPEN. Quoted:
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It's a slide stop, not a slide release. Pull the slide rearward and let go. This. No. Slowest reloads ever. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Better than fumbling with a tiny lever designed to lock the slide OPEN. Then why bother putting an external lever on it at all? You really think that level is there solely to manually lock the slide back? I think your assessment is inaccurate. |