Posted: 3/14/2009 3:09:20 PM EDT
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I need advice from the pros on this gun. I purchased a "new' CW45 yesterday at a local shop. I read the manual and Kahr recommends to dissasemble the firearm, clean, and lube it before initial firing. I took it out of the box today and disassemble it and found what appears to be dammage to the polymer slide. I dont think this is normal, but this is my first Kahr product. I would like to hear from all the experts out there who own Kahr sidearms. Should i take this back or is it safe to shoot? I own several polymer pistols of other brands and this isnt anything ive seen on any of those.
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If the zombies were coming in an hour, I'd work at cleaning up the gloppy slide for reliable short-term function. However, in the real-world I'd try to get the store to replace the pistol, or failing that, I'd (sadly) return it to Kahr for warranty repair.
I'm seriously considering adding a CW9 or CW40 to my collection of non-Kahr pistols, but stories like this put me off. |
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we don't know what caused this to happen. The thing you need to remember is that the slide does not run on the polymer onceon the gun. That is there to help guide the slide on the gun properly.
have you fired it yet???? I am not sure what kahr would do in this case either. you could send kahr an email with this photo and ask them what they want you to do. .. If your dealer will take it back with no questions asked, that is where I would start first. He sold it ,he should stand behind it. Quite possably and more than likely I am wrong here to but the dealer colud have taken the slide off and improperly reinstalled it back on the gun to cause those cuts in that polmer. Or, IF THE gun is working ok with functioning and firing, you might just want to keep it, as again that polymer part has nothing to do with the slide once on the gun. actually it should not even be touching the slide when on the gun either. would be very interesting to know what caused this, as I am sure it never left kahr that way and being it is at the very beginning of the area where the slide starts to go on the weapon, it truly makes me suspicious. I guess I ddn't really help u alot here, I like to screw my own guns up, not buy one that is already been screwed up, if u get where I am coming from. We will never know what caused this but being it is new, I would not accept it that way either, now is when you find out "how" good ur dealer is to.. If one looks closely at that damaged area, to me anyhow it sure looks like someone forced that slide on improperly and no doubt the steel slide rails will cut through that polymer like a knife through butter if done wrong. just look at that area,, those cuts didn't get there by accident.. |
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we don't know what caused this to happen. The thing you need to remember is that the slide does not run on the polymer onceon the gun. That is there to help guide the slide on the gun properly. have you fired it yet???? I am not sure what kahr would do in this case either. you could send kahr an email with this photo and ask them what they want you to do. .. If your dealer will take it back with no questions asked, that is where I would start first. He sold it ,he should stand behind it. Quite possably and more than likely I am wrong here to but the dealer cold have taken the slide off and improperly reinstalled it backon the gun to cause those cuts in that polmer. Or, IF THE gun is working ok with functioning and firing, you might just want to keep it, as again that polymer part has nothing to do with the slide once on the gun. actually it should not even be touching the slide when on the gun either. would be very interesting to know what caused this, as I am sure it never left kahr that way and being it is at the very beginning of the area where the slide starts to go on the weapon, I guess I ddn't really help u alot here, I like to screw my own guns up, not buy one that is already been screwed up, if u get where I am coming from. We will never know what caused this but being it is now, I would not accept it that way either, now is when you find out "how" good ur dealer is to.. If one looks closely at that damaged area, to me anyhow it sure looks like someone forced that slide on improperly and no doubt the steel slide rails will cut through that polymer like a knife through butter if done wrong. just look at that area those cuts didn't get there by accident.. I havent even loaded up the magazine yet, i noticed this when i took the gun apart to clean it and lube it up as per the manual. I even watched the "how to disassemble video" on the Kahr webiste ( not that i needed to) before i took the slde off. Im bummed out about it. I was so excited to have my first .45 and such a small compact size to boot. Im positive that the dammage was there before i took possesion of the gun because i noticed it when i took it apart, could have been like you suggested, someone may have taken it appart at the dealer and forced it back on. Ill find out monday how the dealer will handle it. I hope it doesnt turn out to be a big issue, its the first time ive dealt with this store. I hope it wasnt a $500 dollar mistake/learning experience. Thanks, TZapp |
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Please do keep us informed. I would definitely take it back under those circumstances. They sold it and they are much better prepared to send ti back thanayou are, I would think between the dealer and Kahr they will solve the matter. If they have another one in the cast check it over.
I can't prove it, no one can but my guess it was done at the dealers place of business, quite possbly by total accident to. If there was a ruff burr on that sldie that would have caused it, it would have damaged the entire right side of the polymer rail but it is ony at the very beginning of the polymer frame where the slide first starts to "feel" its way on properly. a shame to but your dealer will take care of you,but looks lie your gonna be out of a gun for awhile to.. |
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Please do keep us informed. I would definitely take it back under those circumstances. They sold it and they are much better prepared to send ti back thanayou are, I would think between the dealer and Kahr they will solve the matter. If they have another one in the cast check it over. I can't prove it, no one can but my guess it was done at the dealers place of business, quite possbly by total accident to. If there was a ruff burr on that sldie that would have caused it, it would have damaged the entire right side of the polymer rail but it is ony at the very beginning of the polymer frame where the slide first starts to "feel" its way on properly. a shame to but your dealer will take care of you,but looks lie your gonna be out of a gun for awhile to.. Thanks for the input, I guess ill have to fall back on my trusty 9mm of another brand. Ive shot around 1000 rounds through the 9mm with no issues whatsoever. I bought this CW45 because it is slimmer than the 9mm   I hope that the dealer will take care of this without hesitation i really dont need any more drama in my life ATM.
Peace, TZapp |
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Ha ha good luck with this one your gonna need it.
Unless the dealer you bought it from is an exceptionally stand up guy. I'd say the factory will be the final arbiter and probably just repair your new gun; after several rounds with them (no pun intended) and that would just piss me off to no end. Btw it is obvious that whatever the function of that part is it is not in "new" condition 
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Ha ha good luck with this one your gonna need it. Unless the dealer you bought it from is an exceptionally stand up guy. I'd say the factory will be the final arbiter and probably just repair your new gun; after several rounds with them (no pun intended) and that would just piss me off to no end. Btw it is obvious that whatever the function of that part is it is not in "new" condition question: who do u blame??? If kahr definitely feels it was not their issue, I think we "have a problem Houston". I have no clue as to what they will do. Those definite cuts in that buggered up area would indicate to me the damage was cuased by the slide, not from the mold that makes that grip...I hope this fella gets it straightened out to his satisfaction to. his dealer should go to bat for him over this, IMO. |
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I went to my local shop today with the CW45 in hand (inside the box). I explained to the manager, what events had taken place over the weekend concerning the handgun. The guy simply said that they would send it in to get it repaired, or would let me pick another pistol from thier stock. They didnt have another CW45 or any other model Kahr 45 for that matter. I asked him to see if he could contact them on the phone to get a turn around time on repairs. He sat on hold trying to get a person instead of the automated answering system. He tried alot longer then i would have. Finally he told me he would email them, and should recieve a response in 2 to 3 business days. Over the weekend i had emailed Kahr myself to see if they would give me an answere about if it was safe to shoot or not. I didnt recieve any reply as of 6pm tonight. when i seen that he couldnt get ahold of them and had to rely on email. My desire to own a Kahr was all but gone. I looked at 2 more Kahrs he had in the case. One was a PM9 and the other a CW40. The PM9 had shavings at the same point on the frame that the CW45 did. That sealed the deal for me. I wasnt going to get a Kahr pistol. I looked at every pistol he had in the cases, price wasnt a factor, only size. I was trying to find something similar to the CW45 in caliber and size. There simply isnt anything made, as far as i have seen, that compares to the size and feel of the Kahrs. I looked at everything from Sig, Glock, Taurus, M&P, XD, Para, and Ruger. I settled on a Smith & Wesson M&P .40. It was a little more in price, but i feel the overall quality to be head and shoulders above the Kahr. Im sure i will do business at this store again. Thanks to all who responded in this thread.
Peace, TZapp |
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I recieved an email response from Kahr today on the dammage. I no longer own the gun but if anyone else has any similar isues or concerns. here is a copy paste straight out of the email i recieved from Glen @ Kahr:
I can appreciate your concerns as this weapon will be entrusted with the protection of your family. The front of the guide rails are strictly for guiding the slide onto the guide rails. They serve no other function. This should not have any negative impact on the overall functionality of the gun. My advise would be to take it to the range and run some rounds through it to break it in. The recommended minimum number of rounds is 200. As long as you are not having any functionality issues you are fine. If you do encounter any problems, please contact us again and we will be happy to take a look at the gun here in the gunsmith shop. Feel free to contact me should you have any further questions or concerns. Looks like Porsche was very accurate with his advice. Thanks to all who have read and responded to this thread. Hope this will help others learn something. Peace, Tommy |
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I recieved an email response from Kahr today on the dammage. I no longer own the gun but if anyone else has any similar isues or concerns. here is a copy paste straight out of the email i recieved from Glen @ Kahr: I can appreciate your concerns as this weapon will be entrusted with the protection of your family. The front of the guide rails are strictly for guiding the slide onto the guide rails. They serve no other function. This should not have any negative impact on the overall functionality of the gun. My advise would be to take it to the range and run some rounds through it to break it in. The recommended minimum number of rounds is 200. As long as you are not having any functionality issues you are fine. If you do encounter any problems, please contact us again and we will be happy to take a look at the gun here in the gunsmith shop. Feel free to contact me should you have any further questions or concerns. Looks like Porsche was very accurate with his advice. Thanks to all who have read and responded to this thread. Hope this will help others learn something. Peace, BUT in ur case they should have asked for the gun back to see what caused it. As those rails sholud not be damaged one bit either. Mine look knew and they have 19,000 rounds through them. I would not be happy either . a shame for they are really a good gun well made except for "some". You will kike your M & P. alot different trigger system for sure. It is almost single action even. Just won't hide very easily ... Tommy |
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My CW9 had the same type shavings and i have seen it on others (CW's) too. My CW9 had a little less than yours . All i did was take a razor scraped, not cut, the shavings and smoothed out the Poly rail nubs. It should be just fine, mine has been great. I did smooth up the slide a bit too and extractor, after just 80 rds i could slowly rack the slide and it will go int battery. its only got 250 rds or less and its smooth running
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