Posted: 1/30/2013 9:07:52 PM EDT
Looking at a 1911 or M92FS for ccw. This is my first. Can you explain all the hate for the M9 platform? I'm thinking railgun, and I would like to thread it for future use as HD. Can anyone help convince me? 
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| I'd go 1911. I carry one daily. It is slimmer and more comfortable iwb, and easy to conceal. Also it fires a larger cartridge. 45 is better for personal defense. In a one on one scenario, you want the largest caliber you can get to stop the threat as quickly as possible. M9 is a great weapon, but as its a smaller caliber, higher capacity, it is better suited to be a military sidearm than a personal defense weapon. |
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Looking at a 1911 or M92FS for ccw. This is my first. Can you explain all the hate for the M9 platform? I'm thinking railgun, and I would like to thread it for future use as HD. Can anyone help convince me? My CCW switches between the 92fs, 92 Vertec, and a custom 1911. Depends on my mood and the tightness of the pants since the 1911 is thinner. Most folks who hate the 92fs do so because it is rather large for a 9mm pistol. Folks in the military complain mostly because it shoots 9mm and they are stuck with FMJ ammo, which is a poor man stopper out of any pistol, Beretta, Glock, Sig, or otherwise. Once you figure out what gun(s) you want to carry, you will need a quality holster. A quality belt is just as important as the quality holster. |
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Beretta has a nice kydex iwb holster for the 92. You can ccw with the 92 and i do it. It does print a bit on the butt with a tshirt when you bend over but it's pretty minor and what do you expect with an 17 round capacity anyway. It's probably a pretty big gun for ccw though....I like it anyway.
It's a solid pistol in civilian hands(ie. Not beat to shit by the military and never maintained). |
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It's really hard to recommedn a carry pistol to someone over the internet, because all the factors that determine which is the ideal gun for you are ergonomic and personal ones. Go to several shops, hold every gun you can possibly talk them into showing you, and do not let them pressure you into buying something. Find the gun that feels PERFECT, not "good enough". When you have found the gun that fits your hand like it was made just for you, then examine what calibers and features it can be had in, and go from there. With a carry gun, the first and foremost concern should be that the gun fits you, because that is the gun you will be inclined to practice with, that is the gun you will naturally grip correctly and point straight, and that is the gun that you will be able to operate under stress. No amount of training will make an uncomfortable gun work better than a comfortable one with the same amount of training.
If it were a nightstand home defense gun, the criteria and process would be a little different. If it were a SHTF sidearm that's going in a bag with some body armor, it would be different still. But this is the process I recommend to anyone looking to find a personal sidearm for defensive or concealed carry. I am a huge fan of Beretta, and just yesterday I was with a good friend who was looking for a new nightstand gun because after going to the range he didn't like the one he thought was good on paper (Ruger LCR). After hitting three shops and going back to one a second time, he walked out with a Jericho in 9mm, and he loves it and shoots much better with it even after just one range trip. Selecting the right gun is absolutely critical, and what may be the right gun for a shitload of other people is not necessarily the right gun for YOU. |
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The 92 is hated because it replaced the 1911. It doesn't matter what Uncle Sam replaced the 1911 with, it was going to be hated. SIG, Smith, Beretta, all would have come in for scorn.
The 92 is an excellent platform, I've had mine since 1989. Accurate and utterly reliable. Mine has never jammed; it has feed just about every brand of ammo on the market and countless reloads to boot. That said, its not my carry piece. I have other stuff that is more compact. Likewise I have 1911's. I occasionally carry one, but weight is the factor here. A good belt is a must. |
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The 92 is hated because it replaced the 1911. It doesn't matter what Uncle Sam replaced the 1911 with, it was going to be hated. SIG, Smith, Beretta, all would have come in for scorn. The 92 is an excellent platform, I've had mine since 1989. Accurate and utterly reliable. Mine has never jammed; it has feed just about every brand of ammo on the market and countless reloads to boot. That said, its not my carry piece. I have other stuff that is more compact. Likewise I have 1911's. I occasionally carry one, but weight is the factor here. A good belt is a must. This. And IMHO it's a better gun than the 1911. 
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The 92 is hated because it replaced the 1911. It doesn't matter what Uncle Sam replaced the 1911 with, it was going to be hated. SIG, Smith, Beretta, all would have come in for scorn. The 92 is an excellent platform, I've had mine since 1989. Accurate and utterly reliable. Mine has never jammed; it has feed just about every brand of ammo on the market and countless reloads to boot. That said, its not my carry piece. I have other stuff that is more compact. Likewise I have 1911's. I occasionally carry one, but weight is the factor here. A good belt is a must. This. And IMHO it's a better gun than the 1911. Oh no you did'ent..... 
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The 92 is hated because it replaced the 1911. It doesn't matter what Uncle Sam replaced the 1911 with, it was going to be hated. SIG, Smith, Beretta, all would have come in for scorn. The 92 is an excellent platform, I've had mine since 1989. Accurate and utterly reliable. Mine has never jammed; it has feed just about every brand of ammo on the market and countless reloads to boot. That said, its not my carry piece. I have other stuff that is more compact. Likewise I have 1911's. I occasionally carry one, but weight is the factor here. A good belt is a must. The 92 is hated first because it replaced 45 with 9mm. For example I don't think the sig p220 would be hated nearly as much if it had replaced the 1911. |
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The 92 is hated because it replaced the 1911. It doesn't matter what Uncle Sam replaced the 1911 with, it was going to be hated. SIG, Smith, Beretta, all would have come in for scorn. The 92 is an excellent platform, I've had mine since 1989. Accurate and utterly reliable. Mine has never jammed; it has feed just about every brand of ammo on the market and countless reloads to boot. That said, its not my carry piece. I have other stuff that is more compact. Likewise I have 1911's. I occasionally carry one, but weight is the factor here. A good belt is a must. This. And IMHO it's a better gun than the 1911. Oh no you did'ent..... He did. And he shouldn't a done that. Imho The 1911 (especially in modern production) is the finest handgun ever made. I carry my full rail Springfield all the time without problems. If you want less weight get an alloy framed 1911. Btw; how much does that double stack of 9mm weigh? Most defense shootings (reason for carry) don't require more than a few rounds. |
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I've been issued and personally owned both. Have carried both openly and concealed around the world sometimes both at the same time with usually the M1911 in a shoulder rig and the M9 either on right hip or on right drop rig. Both are service sized pistols that are easy to work with IF you take the time to practice with them and understand their manual of arms. The 1911 would get left behind when doing PT and would only carry the M9 with a spare mag when working out. 1911 prefered when lower printing of clothing was desired. Get both :D
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I own both and love to shoot both. They are both pretty big guns to carry everyday. I shoot my 92A1 better than my 1911 and I am able to put accurate follow up rnds on target faster with the beretta as well. I carry it in the winter whenever I am able.
You will not be disappointed with either pistol but they are pretty different from each other so hold and shoot both and buy which one is the most comfortable to you. |
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Regardless of which pistol you get, it's imperative that you get a great holster and belt. Ensure that it's the appropriate holster for CCW and your pistol and you'll be fine. I carry the Beretta M9 and Glock 17 with no issues. With the Beretta you have guaranteed quality and reliability. With all of the different 1911 manufacturers and models, you have to be more discriminating. Remember that a great target 1911 may not make the best self-defense pistol and not all 1911s are made the same.
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Looking at a 1911 or M92FS for ccw. This is my first. Can you explain all the hate for the M9 platform? I'm thinking railgun, and I would like to thread it for future use as HD. Can anyone help convince me? My CCW switches between the 92fs, 92 Vertec, and a custom 1911. Depends on my mood and the tightness of the pants since the 1911 is thinner. Most folks who hate the 92fs do so because it is rather large for a 9mm pistol. Folks in the military complain mostly because it shoots 9mm and they are stuck with FMJ ammo, which is a poor man stopper out of any pistol, Beretta, Glock, Sig, or otherwise. Once you figure out what gun(s) you want to carry, you will need a quality holster. A quality belt is just as important as the quality holster. No. Soldiers complain about the pistol because it's the standard-issued pistol. Complaints are made about the M4 and M16 and they sound quite similar(it fires a weak round/it's unreliable). Before the Beretta it was "the .45 is so worn out and rattles/the sights are unusable". It is what it is. Make no mistake about it, in the distant future soldiers will be complaining about the next standard-issued weapons regardless of their merits and performance. It is what it is. Quoted:
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The 92 is hated because it replaced the 1911. It doesn't matter what Uncle Sam replaced the 1911 with, it was going to be hated. SIG, Smith, Beretta, all would have come in for scorn. The 92 is an excellent platform, I've had mine since 1989. Accurate and utterly reliable. Mine has never jammed; it has feed just about every brand of ammo on the market and countless reloads to boot. That said, its not my carry piece. I have other stuff that is more compact. Likewise I have 1911's. I occasionally carry one, but weight is the factor here. A good belt is a must. The 92 is hated first because it replaced 45 with 9mm. For example I don't think the sig p220 would be hated nearly as much if it had replaced the 1911. It would have been. I guarantee that. |
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No. Soldiers complain about the pistol because it's the standard-issued pistol. Complaints are made about the M4 and M16 and they sound quite similar(it fires a weak round/it's unreliable). Before the Beretta it was "the .45 is so worn out and rattles/the sights are unusable". It is what it is. Make no mistake about it, in the distant future soldiers will be complaining about the next standard-issued weapons regardless of their merits and performance. It is what it is. "Dude... I can't believe our phased-plasma rifles are only in the 40-watt range...." Or these guys bitching about their pulse-rifles and smart-guns? " 10mm. caseless? What kind of pussies come up with this shit??" "HUDSON!!! YOU BETTER STOW THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW!!" A bitching soldier is a happy soldier, right? |
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No. Soldiers complain about the pistol because it's the standard-issued pistol. Complaints are made about the M4 and M16 and they sound quite similar(it fires a weak round/it's unreliable). Before the Beretta it was "the .45 is so worn out and rattles/the sights are unusable". It is what it is. Make no mistake about it, in the distant future soldiers will be complaining about the next standard-issued weapons regardless of their merits and performance. It is what it is. In my experience this is completely true. The military M9s I have shot were a little more beaten up but all shot reliably and accurate. |
| Like most people have said it is way to specific to the person to recommend a specific pistol. Personally they are both wayyyyyy to big for me. I have full size MP9 and that is to big for me to ever considering carrying daily. Now, it does get some use if it is jacket weather or something but it mostly sits on my nightstand. I think you should start with something small and if you are able to consistently carry that every day and think you can go bigger, step up another level. It is all to common that people are way to ambitious and jump right to a full size, soon after they start leaving it at home because it doesn't work for them. Maybe of the single stack 9mm? |
| Nothing wrong with the M9 as a combat pistol. If you cant get the job done with a Beretta its not the guns fault. IME the M9/M4/M16 are very reliable systems as long as the operator isnt too stupid to maintain them. Severe neglect and ignorance will choke any weapon. Just sayin.... |
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Neither. 1911 and 92 are not good for concealing except for the occasional appropriately shaped and sized person. Yup. Those are both huge, heavy guns. How about something compact like a Beretta PX4C or SigSauer P229? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 100% agree. I've carried both (92 and 1911), both are unneccessarily heavy. Go PX4 compact or full size. |
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