Posted: 3/16/2009 9:18:38 AM EDT
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I found a guy with a combat commander about 20 years old for sale. Gun is in good shape has had some trigger work
and an upgraded colt barrel. He wants $750, I can buy new for about the same. When I look a others for sale the older pistols seem priced more than new. I'm new to 1911s am I missing something here, has colt downgraded something? Thanks for some insight. |
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that is about average if it is indeed 20yrs old it is a series 70 and has the colt emblem on the slide.. Colt does not make the series 70 any more and for a long time they didnt make that gun .. I havent kept up with it I dont know if they do now... I know that other companies make clones..
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Quoted: that is about average if it is indeed 20yrs old it is a series 70 and has the colt emblem on the slide.. Colt does not make the series 70 any more and for a long time they didnt make that gun .. I havent kept up with it I dont know if they do now... I know that other companies make clones.. Colt never made a Series 70 Commander. As to the OP ........... Upgraded Barrel and trigger work done by who? A reputable Smith or Bubba? Have the gun checked out by a REPUTABLE 1911 smith. |
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Colt stopped making the "pre 80" series Combat Commanders in the early 80's. There were no 70 Series CCs as the 70 Series pistols of the era had the collet barrel bushings and Commanders never had that, so no 70 Series CCs. If the pistol is really "only" 20 years old, its probably an 80 Series and that's just fine, but it does have the firing pin block which some folks don't want. Makes no difference to most. I paid $599 a year ago for a pre-80 Series Combat Commander that was functionally sound but badly in need of some cosmetic rejuvenation. I now have much more money in it that it will ever be worth, but its a good shooter and I'm not embarassed to take it to the range.
The price sounds OK for a Series 80 pistol in nice shape. No screamin' deal, however. Custom work isn't worth much unless the work is documented and performed by a smith with at least a local reputation. Don't know how to rationalize the difference or lack of it, in price between the older Colts and the newly manufactured. The new ones would have the advantage of whatever warranty Colt offers, but lack the "patina" of an older model. |
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that is about average if it is indeed 20yrs old it is a series 70 and has the colt emblem on the slide.. Colt does not make the series 70 any more and for a long time they didnt make that gun .. I havent kept up with it I dont know if they do now... I know that other companies make clones.. Colt never made a Series 70 Commander. As to the OP ........... Upgraded Barrel and trigger work done by who? A reputable Smith or Bubba? Have the gun checked out by a REPUTABLE 1911 smith. I have one Colt commander series 70 LW |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: that is about average if it is indeed 20yrs old it is a series 70 and has the colt emblem on the slide.. Colt does not make the series 70 any more and for a long time they didnt make that gun .. I havent kept up with it I dont know if they do now... I know that other companies make clones.. Colt never made a Series 70 Commander. As to the OP ........... Upgraded Barrel and trigger work done by who? A reputable Smith or Bubba? Have the gun checked out by a REPUTABLE 1911 smith. I have one Colt commander series 70 LW Then you have the only one in existence ............... please post pic's. Be sure to include the Series 70 roll marks and pictures of the accurizer barrel and collet bushing. |
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that is about average if it is indeed 20yrs old it is a series 70 and has the colt emblem on the slide.. Colt does not make the series 70 any more and for a long time they didnt make that gun .. I havent kept up with it I dont know if they do now... I know that other companies make clones.. Colt never made a Series 70 Commander. As to the OP ........... Upgraded Barrel and trigger work done by who? A reputable Smith or Bubba? Have the gun checked out by a REPUTABLE 1911 smith. I have one Colt commander series 70 LW OOPS my bad I miss read the post ...Not trying to argue with any body here I thought I was miss informed and getting educated I have a Colt series 70 combat commander Not a Colt Commander.. Sorry for the Miss Read.... |
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Quoted: OOPS my bad I miss read the post ...Not trying to argue with any body here I thought I was miss informed and getting educated I have a Colt series 70 combat commander Not a Colt Commander.. Sorry for the Miss Read.... Colt never made any 70 series Commanders of either variety. You need to look closely at your Colt and you'll see no Series 70 markings or attributes. And if you think that because the Ser # begins with 70 that it means that it's a Series it doesn't.  |
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OOPS my bad I miss read the post ...Not trying to argue with any body here I thought I was miss informed and getting educated I have a Colt series 70 combat commander Not a Colt Commander.. Sorry for the Miss Read.... Colt never made any 70 series Commanders of either variety. You need to look closely at your Colt and you'll see no Series 70 markings or attributes. And if you think that because the Ser # begins with 70 that it means that it's a Series it doesn't.
I have pic's of the gun I will try to send but they are not coming out to good and Thanks for schooling me on what i have I have been miss informed for way to long 
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The "original" Series 70 introduced the collet barrel bushing, but it was only incorporated into the full sized GVMT and GCNMs, not the Commander series, so there never was an original "Series 70 Commander/Combat Commander. The Series 80 introduced the firing pin safety in 1983, I believe to all of the Colt 1911-based pistols of the period, and the Commanders were so-designated as 80-Series after that, although the full-sized GVMT models did retain the collet barrel bushings for a while after 1983 as 80 Series. Make sense?
The "retro or repro" 70 Series produced recently, do not have the fp block, but also don't have the dreaded collet barrel bushing. |
ETA: skipsan beat me to it.  Quoted: i cant figure out how to post these pic's on here  guidance please I also thought that a series 70 didnt have a trigger plunger like the series 80, I thought that is what separated the series. Are you using the plain editor or the WYSIWYG editor? The Mark IV Series 70 designation was ONLY given to Government and NM Gold Cup Models that incorporated the accurizer barrel and collet bushing. The Series 80 designation denotes the addition of the firing pin block assembly to all Colt 1911's. Shortly after introducing the Series 80 guns Colt discontinued the accurizer barrel and bushing on the Government and NM Gold Cup models returning to pre Series 70 configuration. The pre Series 70 Governmnet and the Series 70 Government as well as both the Commander and Combat Comander all share the same trigger, hammer, disconector, firing pin, firing pin stop and extractor. None of these parts changed untill the advent of the Series 80 guns. |
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i cant figure out how to post these pic's on here guidance please
I also thought that a series 70 didnt have a trigger plunger like the series 80, I thought that is what separated the series. Are you using the plain editor or the WYSIWYG editor? The Mark IV Series 70 designation was ONLY given to Government and NM Gold Cup Models that incorporated the accurizer barrel and collet bushing. The Series 80 designation denotes the addition of the firing pin block assembly to all Colt 1911's. Shortly after introducing the Series 80 guns Colt discontinued the accurizer barrel and bushing on the Government and NM Gold Cup models returning to pre Series 70 configuration. The pre Series 70 Governmnet and the Series 70 Government as well as both the Commander and Combat Comander all share the same trigger, hammer, disconector, firing pin, firing pin stop and extractor. None of these parts changed untill the advent of the Series 80 guns. Thanks for all that info So for integrity sake I have a series 80 Colt combat commander not a series 70, sorry for that I was missed informed..
I do appreciate all the info you have given me.. Also I appreciate you not giving me all the bullshit of ie.. you dont have a high post count , your a troll, I like coming to this sight to learn so I am just now starting to talk with others on here but some on here just like to give you shit because you dont have a high post count or they call you a troll, Which by the way I am still trying to figure out what a Troll is... Thanks again... |
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For that price, it better be in VG/excellent shape. If it's been dinked with, then it's worth less to most people.
$600.00 is probably a more accurate price range. What is an "upgraded" Colt barrel? Sounds like he's shovelin a bit O' the blarney to me. That would make me leery of ANY work done on the gun. |