Posted: 6/26/2009 3:55:25 PM EDT
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Does anybody else feel like the safety detent on the 75/85 pistols is a little "soft" for cocked and locked carry?
Hammer down on a life round seems much less likely to result in unintentional cocked and unlocked carry. |
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I've carried my 75B SA condition one many times. Condition 1 does not bother me.
What does bother me is the big ambi safety on the pistol- it can be swept off when getting in/out of chairs and cars depending on how you maneuver yourself. I would be much more comfortable with the standard non ambi safety that the 75B and compact have. |
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Hey Blitz,mcg, did I ask about 1911s?
I thought this was the CZ forum. Jeremy, I've been carrying daily over 10 years, HK P-7M8, KelTec .32, Kimber Commander size, and S&W 457S. If there were one of these threads EVERY DAY I would probably have seen it. Sounds like you need to cool down, which could be accomplished if you go jump in a lake. Jerry, PA, thanks. |
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The safety on my SP-01 seems pretty positive. It does feel different than my 1911's safety, but I wouldn't say one engages better than the other.
I do have small hands, however, and the safety is in a rotten location for me on the SP-01. In classes where I've carried it, I have preferred to carry with the hammer down since I can't easily sweep the safety off on the draw. If I was buying a new SP-01, I'd go with the Tactical (decocker) rather than the standard (manual safety). YMMV. |
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Does anybody else feel like the safety detent on the 75/85 pistols is a little "soft" for cocked and locked carry? Hammer down on a life round seems much less likely to result in unintentional cocked and unlocked carry. No. you may not like it but others will some wont.. you cant please eveyone. If you dont like it. dont carry it that way. or. Change it. |
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I don't have my P01 yet, but I will soon. I've handled all the CZ models and shot a few, as well.
In the past, I've carried the following at one time or another: Glock 26, Glock 19, 1911's, Sig 220, S&W 642. I always carried my 1911's in condition 1. After playing with the manual safety CZ models, I have to say I wouldn't be comfortable carrying them in Condition 1 considering the lack of grip safety, and the ease with which the safety can be disengaged. It's for this reason that I chose the P01 over my initial choice, the P07. I wanted the ability to carry cocked and locked, but after playing with the safety on the P07, I don't feel that it engages positively enough for me to feel comfortable carrying it that way. When I carry, I often use a shoulder bag or something similar so I need a pistol that will be on safe until I'm actually ready to fire it. |
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I'm surprised at the number of condescending replies in this thread. He stated a concern he had, and asked others for thoughts on the subject. What exactly is the problem?  I think the issues people have stem from someone saying they'd carry a Glock or a striker fired weapon, but won't carry a hammer fired weapon cocked because they feel it is not as safe, when the facts are it is just as safe. The gun won't go off, just like any other gun unless you put your booger hook on the bang switch. Many if not all modern firearms have firing pin blocks that do not disengage unless the trigger is pulled, thus if the hammer or something were to strick the exposed firing pin, the pin is locked and not going anywhere. If something were to hit it hard enough to make it discharge it wouldn't really matter because you would have been killed by the force of that impact anyways. Simply put, it's ignorance on the part of the weapon carrier that get's people riled up in threads like this. |
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I'm surprised at the number of condescending replies in this thread. He stated a concern he had, and asked others for thoughts on the subject. What exactly is the problem? I think the issues people have stem from someone saying they'd carry a Glock or a striker fired weapon, but won't carry a hammer fired weapon cocked because they feel it is not as safe, when the facts are it is just as safe. The gun won't go off, just like any other gun unless you put your booger hook on the bang switch. Many if not all modern firearms have firing pin blocks that do not disengage unless the trigger is pulled, thus if the hammer or something were to strick the exposed firing pin, the pin is locked and not going anywhere. If something were to hit it hard enough to make it discharge it wouldn't really matter because you would have been killed by the force of that impact anyways. Simply put, it's ignorance on the part of the weapon carrier that get's people riled up in threads like this. His argument had nothing to do with that. He was simply stating that he feels the safety on his CZ 75 is too easily disengaged, so he feels more comfortable carrying with the hammer down, then he asked for others thoughts on the matter. |
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I'm surprised at the number of condescending replies in this thread. He stated a concern he had, and asked others for thoughts on the subject. What exactly is the problem? I think the issues people have stem from someone saying they'd carry a Glock or a striker fired weapon, but won't carry a hammer fired weapon cocked because they feel it is not as safe, when the facts are it is just as safe. The gun won't go off, just like any other gun unless you put your booger hook on the bang switch. Many if not all modern firearms have firing pin blocks that do not disengage unless the trigger is pulled, thus if the hammer or something were to strick the exposed firing pin, the pin is locked and not going anywhere. If something were to hit it hard enough to make it discharge it wouldn't really matter because you would have been killed by the force of that impact anyways. Simply put, it's ignorance on the part of the weapon carrier that get's people riled up in threads like this. Ignorance? Yeah, ok. When I draw my firearm, I want it to be exactly as it was when I holstered it. The manual safeties on the multiple CZ compacts that I have handled are very easy to disengage. Easy enough that I could foresee the safety being manipulated by normal contact with clothing and other objects while being carried, especially since the safety on most models is ambidextrous. If you've ever removed a handgun from your carry pouch or holster and found that the safety was unintentionally disengaged, it's a rather discomforting feeling, no matter how familiar you are with the firearm. I think most of the posters in this thread know that a handgun won't "just go off" if the safety is disengaged, we just want to make sure it stays the way we leave it. |
