Posted: 10/14/2012 7:44:23 AM EDT
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I know it's NOT for everyone, but I've carried inside the pants with a SmartCarry for over 10 years.
Cool weather's not here yet, so I can't use a full shoulder rig. But I would like to utilize the "shoulder holster" concept. This week I've been using my old, worn SmartCarry system as a quasi-shoulder system but just strapping it across my chest with the Kahr CM9 under my arm. No, it's not perfect. No, it's not the full, "ActiveProGear" rig (which I just bought and returned). No, it doesn't feel tight and restrictive. Yes, it's comfortable and it works. (But not if you have moobs and their sensitive.  )
Unless one has to button their top button or wear a tie, it might be an alternative carry system. And, Woolrich, makes long-sleeve shirts with two fake buttons on the front with magnets in them. That shirt really works. I bought two of them. 
(cell phone case - mag holder) 
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I like my 4 o'clock draw because if someone approaches me, reaching back and putting a hand out and saying "STOP" is a very natural reaction. The hollywood style shoulder draw leaves too much room for gravity to help you with fumbling of the firearm, or the person to close in on you and lodge your arm between he bodies, or possibly take the gun from you.
Plus I don't wear enough button ups, I wear long sleeve t shirts mostly...But not a bad option overall, just not very practical. I would say its best if you are more worried about deep concealment than ease of access...Even then I feel like there are better options for discreet carry. |
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No thanks, drawing is umbersome and slow, plus I don't like crossing my own arm/shoulder/torso to draw my gun. Try a miami classic shoulder holster instead of rigging something up that looks dangerous. I didn't say it was for you. And my draw isn't cumbersome at all. Yours might be, though, and I have no way of determining that. I bought and sold two Miami Classics. Weren't built or designed well. I was stupid enough to try them twice. My bad. Horseshoe rig works better for me. http://www.holsters.org/shoulder-holster.htm |
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Quoted: Quoted: No thanks, drawing is umbersome and slow, plus I don't like crossing my own arm/shoulder/torso to draw my gun. Try a miami classic shoulder holster instead of rigging something up that looks dangerous. I didn't say it was for you. And my draw isn't cumbersome at all. Yours might be, though, and I have no way of determining that. I bought and sold two Miami Classics. Weren't built or designed well. I was stupid enough to try them twice. My bad. Horseshoe rig works better for me. http://www.holsters.org/shoulder-holster.htm Ill try and give a bit of advice, since I cross draw too..... First your pistol grip needs to be angled a bit more down towards the draw....this will lessen the ability of a hang up in QC situations. ...gets some Velcro to replace your top 3 buttons..if not all your buttons..so you can quickly clear your shirt. Practice clearing a "trapping" move....crossdraws are actually easier to clear from " trapping" then strong side carry. To clear an apponents hand I'd practice just 3 diferent moves because of your size and build. Circle under with your left, palm down as you circle up and make contact ,palm towards BG and as your arm reaches to face level into BG right shoulder. If you have good balance and movement..stepping on the BG right foot with your left will realy help this move. Other move is pretty much same in reverse...but start with a strike to face, ribs or strike elbow...rise up palm facing you and drive your elbow down towards you center belt line...this will work best if you can Gain height then slide your right foot back and hunker down as your elbow comes down on the BGs arm.....this move traps your opponent for a second ..your gun should be cleared half way threw this move..so push BG away to give room and time. Last move realy only works if your the larger opponent ..left arm circles under trap arm (BG right arm) then reaches foward and grabs BGs shirt right at the shoulder..if you push left and down they " may" collaps or lose thier balance ..or you can pull/push them to your right as you back step with your right....which may be nessesarly do to your surroundings. All moves need to be swift and with energy...remember your " BREAKING" the hold...so use breaking energy. I use crossdraw because I have to..missing a leg and prosthetic gets in the way....but crossdraw works especially from seated possitions..like driving.... Good luck and practice practice practice... PS some traps happen from behind but I'd master the most likly then ponder the others...once you have an idea on the machanics of the ones listed above you can adjust them to give you other options. Forgot to mention...reason moves start with your palms facing you is to protect your vital arteries in your arms from blade attacks. |
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I have a Colt CCO in my IWB.
The Kahr is a BUG. Sometimes I carry it in the Smartcarry across my chest. Save your breath telling me why it doesn't work. It does. For me. Note opening post, "I know it's NOT for everyone. And, TommyT, thanks for the good info. Very informative. |
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No thanks, drawing is umbersome and slow, plus I don't like crossing my own arm/shoulder/torso to draw my gun. Try a miami classic shoulder holster instead of rigging something up that looks dangerous. I didn't say it was for you. And my draw isn't cumbersome at all. Yours might be, though, and I have no way of determining that. I bought and sold two Miami Classics. Weren't built or designed well. I was stupid enough to try them twice. My bad. Horseshoe rig works better for me. http://www.holsters.org/shoulder-holster.htm This is from their website: Please Note:These holsters are supplied in a hammer-down configuration only. Now I know there are a lot of folk out there who prefer the condition one or cocked-and-locked carry, and I have perfect faith in the function of the mechanical safety devices of 1911-style pistols. However, working at a distance, I can have no inkling at all of the attitude, knowledge, and weapon-handling capabilities of any individual who purchases or uses a Horseshoe holster. Additionally, I have no way of monitoring the circumstances under which said holster or any item may be used or by whom, so can never be sure that these were appropriate i.e. that equipment was not being used in a way that was never intended. Living, as we do, in a fiercely litigious society, I cannot run the risk of facing a lawsuit brought by some unknown individual who, after having shot himself or someone else for whatever reason, may then try to blame the accident on the fact that he was carrying his weapon, cocked-and-locked, in one of my holsters. I am not for a moment suggesting that you may be that individual, but I like the idea of sleeping at night and, having reached the evening of my life, I really have no wish to get involved with any situation which may, potentially, lead to a lawsuit, quite apart from not wanting to have the death or the severe wounding of anyone on my conscience.
That's a deal breaker for me, as I carry in condition one. I'm not going to carry unloaded or loaded with the hammer down. Personally I think there is more of a legal danger for them selling it hammer down carry, as some yahoo is much more likely to have an ND trying to lower the hammer on a live round. |
